2011 Accord LX-P

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A friend of mine was in the market for a new car after her MKV Jetta 2.5 was totaled.

We looked at many cars: Accord, Civic, Matrix, Equinox, Camry, Altima, Sonata, 2011 Elantra and a CPO Acura TL. Among those cars, I think she liked the Sonata and Camry best. The Elantra was the least favorite car due to unacceptable NVH and poor ride quality. However, her friends steered her towards the Accord for a number of reasons-- some of which were justifiable, some not.

After deciding on an Accord, she was adamant about getting a V6. Due to her budget of about $20k, she had to pick between a new 4-cyl or a CPO '08-09 Accord EX-L V6 lease return. She was smart enough to realize that although she wanted a V6, it was not worth having to buy a 2-3 year old car with 45k miles in order to be able to stay within budget. Therefore, we went with the choice of a new 4-cyl.

I suggested an Accord LX-P, since it comes with the power driver seat, alloy wheels, auto up/down windows and security system for less than $1000 more than the base model LX. Somehow the planets aligned that day, and I was able to get the LX-P in the exact color combination she wanted (silver/grey interior) for $19,700 + tax. This was $1891 under invoice, and $4030 under sticker. Part of the reason why this deal was possible was because of the $1250 dealer cash that is currently going on. She also financed the car for 5 years at 0.9% APR through the AHFC program.

The dealer we worked with was great. Although another dealer could have beat the price by a few hundred bucks, I felt more comfortable working with this dealer. In this situation, it is worth sacrificing a few hundred bucks for a smoother buying experience and at the end of the day, it IS okay for the dealer to make some money.
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The dealer did not pull any nasty tricks on us and had the vehicle prepped, finance paperwork processed and features explained in about 75 minutes. This was simply the quickest transaction I have seen considering the complexity of the finance situation. And on the way out, we discovered that the car had a trunk tray and wheel locks on there (the dealer that originally had this car put these on as an add-on), but our selling dealer did not notice these so we got $195 of accessories for free.
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Overall, it was a long shopping experience with a happy ending. She ended up with a practical, decent car for a good price. After looking at all of the cars that I did, the reputation, conservative styling and more refined designs of the Camry and Accord will allow them to be more easily resold in the future. Their designs will also age a lot better, as opposed to the overstyled Hyundai and Nissan products which change drastically with each redesign. The Accord also had the largest interior of the segment, which is what matters most to the buyers in this segment, not the number of speeds in the transmission or the type of fuel injection that many enthusiasts focus on.
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I think the #1 most important thing I learned from this adventure is to look past the media and forum hype and to think critically about your true needs for the car. It is too common for people buy "more car" than they need and this results in needlessly high lifecycle costs. Sometimes, the newest and most technologically advanced car today will not be the best car to own after five years.
 
Thanks for the story. Sounds like she got a great car at a great price. I'm liking the latest generation Accord more and more as I see them. They've bumped the EPA ratings on the 2011 models to 23/34 as I recall.

Originally Posted By: The Critic
I think the #1 most important thing I learned from this adventure is to look past the media and forum hype and to think critically about your true needs for the car.


Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
When our car was totaled we traveled the same route and came to essentially the same result. I'm really happy with the Accord and I agree that the styling will not look old for a long time. It almost reminds me of BMW and how amazed I am when people tell me their car is a 2002 or thereabouts. I get 27-28 mpg in mostly highway driving with my lead foot. In comparison our NA Impreza (half the size?) gets around 24. Go figure...
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic

I think the #1 most important thing I learned from this adventure is to look past the media and forum hype and to think critically about your true needs for the car. It is too common for people buy "more car" than they need and this results in needlessly high lifecycle costs. Sometimes, the newest and most technologically advanced car today will not be the best car to own after five years.


Absolutely. Well said.
 
What does LX-P add over LX? I always thought that LX used to be best deal than either DX (too spartan) or EX (too flashy) when buying Accords.
 
This is what the LX-P has over the standard LX:

Originally Posted By: The Critic
I suggested an Accord LX-P, since it comes with the power driver seat, alloy wheels, auto up/down windows and security system for less than $1000 more than the base model LX.


I like that package pricing, by the way. When I bought my Camry, the LE model cost $1,500 more than the base model, and the only additions were a power driver seat and keyless entry. The base model already had auto up/down on all windows, the same CD radio with steering wheel controls, etc. You could get alloy wheels on an LE, but it was an extra cost option. I added them to my base model for 300 bucks after the fact.
 
EX has a little more horsepower and the suspension is a little beefier. My mom bought one and she could feel the difference in the ride.
 
Nice job, Critic. You hire out your services?

We know how your friend ranked the cars, but how would YOU rank them?
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: The Critic

I think the #1 most important thing I learned from this adventure is to look past the media and forum hype and to think critically about your true needs for the car. It is too common for people buy "more car" than they need and this results in needlessly high lifecycle costs. Sometimes, the newest and most technologically advanced car today will not be the best car to own after five years.


Absolutely. Well said.


I also agree completely. I would never go with the Sonata over an Accord. The only thing is I noticed the Malibu, Fusion and maybe the Cruze wasn't listed. If she liked the Camry, I think the Malibu would've been more similar to it than an Accord. Well you got a good deal and the Accord is a good buy if you like it.
 
Originally Posted By: tdpark
EX has a little more horsepower and the suspension is a little beefier. My mom bought one and she could feel the difference in the ride.


This is a good point and why I think the LX, LX-P, or I think SE would be better for the average person. The EX suspension and tires are too firm to a lot of people.
 
The EX has the same engine, they just tweaked it a little more to put out around 200 HP, same number of horses that my 02 V6 Accord had. The one thing I like about Honda is that their options are simple, there are no add on's, except for dealer installed stuff which is expensive. If you pick a certain model, then that's what you get. If you want some more options, you have to move up to another model. I had always hated finding a base car and then sloughing through the options I wanted. By that time I'm glued on the numbers and not what I want and then when I get the car home, I wished I would have done something different. With Honda, it's all laid out in front of you and that's it. Simple, efficient and easy to understand.
 
That's actually what I dislike about Honda and now many others following suit. They force you into an expensive option package with features you may not want to get what you may want, and offer a bunch of expensive cheesy dealer accessories that I'd rather have factory optioned and installed. Maybe I want an LX with factory allow wheels, nope sorry. Maybe I want some of the options on the EX without a sunroof, nope. Maybe I want a 2-door without the EX tires and hard ride, nope. Maybe I want a V6 coupe without leather, maybe I don't want a sunroof, maybe I want navagation but no leather or a sunroof, nope, nope, nope. I guess to each his own but I like to have a choice.
 
Originally Posted By: tdpark
EX has a little more horsepower and the suspension is a little beefier. My mom bought one and she could feel the difference in the ride.


I have driven an 08 Accord EX-L I4 before and the engine is noticeably quieter than this 2011 LX-P, mainly due to the ANC. But according to CR, the newly revised for 2011 2.4L 177HP engine is now .6 seconds quicker from 0-60 and gets 2 mpg better overall. This doesn't mean the 190HP version did not get the same improvements, though.

The ride however, is definitely much more comfortable on the LX-P.

Originally Posted By: mechanicx
The only thing is I noticed the Malibu, Fusion and maybe the Cruze wasn't listed.

She liked the Equinox a lot, but it was too expensive and the transmission programming made the car feel lethargic. The Honda's 5AT is probably the most responsive transmissions in its class.

Originally Posted By: mechanicx
That's actually what I dislike about Honda and now many others following suit. They force you into an expensive option package with features you may not want to get what you may want, and offer a bunch of expensive cheesy dealer accessories that I'd rather have factory optioned and installed. Maybe I want an LX with factory allow wheels, nope sorry. Maybe I want some of the options on the EX without a sunroof, nope. Maybe I want a 2-door without the EX tires and hard ride, nope. Maybe I want a V6 coupe without leather, maybe I don't want a sunroof, maybe I want navagation but no leather or a sunroof, nope, nope, nope. I guess to each his own but I like to have a choice.

I think you're forgetting that even if a manufacturer allows you to add each option separately, this doesn't mean you will be able to find the exact car you want. We ran into this problem with the Altima. In theory, you can order a 3.5SR V6 with just the sports pkg. Unfortuately, none exist within several hundred miles because everyone who purchases a 3.5SR V6 either buys it fully loaded, or with nothing at all-- so those are the only configurations that the dealers order.
 
Sounds like she got a good deal, hope she got the car she'll be happy with for a long time. That said, as the owner of a 7th gen V6, the 8th gen Accord does nothing for me. Imo, it looks whale-ish and boring. But, if very practical and very conservative was the order of the day, the Accord should fill the bill quite nicely. Not sure why Honda stuck with a 5 speed trans, but I guess with their track record on AT's, perhaps they need more time to figure it out.

As for 'overstyled Nissans which change drastically each redesign', Altima looks pretty much the same to me since 02(one redesign).
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It is true though, no need to worry about 'overstyling' with the current gen Accord. Some style would be nice though.
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Originally Posted By: The Critic
I think you're forgetting that even if a manufacturer allows you to add each option separately, this doesn't mean you will be able to find the exact car you want. We ran into this problem with the Altima. In theory, you can order a 3.5SR V6 with just the sports pkg. Unfortuately, none exist within several hundred miles because everyone who purchases a 3.5SR V6 either buys it fully loaded, or with nothing at all-- so those are the only configurations that the dealers order.


That's true but you have a far better chance of finding the car with only the options you want or at least close to it. And you have an option of ordering it the way you want. If they don't even build it, you have no chance of getting the car optioned the way you want. The problem with the Accord is a lot of things that are standard on some makes is part of the optional package.
 
Sounds like she got a good price on a good car.

"exact color combination she wanted (silver/grey interior)". Let me guess, her favorite flavor of ice cream is "vanilla"?
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Originally Posted By: The Critic
She was smart enough to realize that although she wanted a V6, it was not worth having to buy a 2-3 year old car with 45k miles in order to be able to stay within budget.


if staying within budget means you're going to take a wash on depreciation, and probably not like the 4 cyl in a few years, yeah, go for it. I think she'd be better of getting what she wants, and buying the 2-3 year old car suffering less depreciation.
 
Originally Posted By: crinkles
Originally Posted By: The Critic
She was smart enough to realize that although she wanted a V6, it was not worth having to buy a 2-3 year old car with 45k miles in order to be able to stay within budget.


if staying within budget means you're going to take a wash on depreciation, and probably not like the 4 cyl in a few years, yeah, go for it. I think she'd be better of getting what she wants, and buying the 2-3 year old car suffering less depreciation.

But there are a few issues with the V6 Accords, or V6 cars in general.

1) They burn a ton more fuel in city driving. Don't ask me how I know this-- the Altima gets 17-18 in short-trip driving.

2) The V6 Accord would have had 45k on it, which means in 60k (or about 3-4 years) it would need a $1200 timing belt, spark plug and valve adjustment job. Honda timing chains are very reliable in the I4 and it would never be a maintenance item.

3) The V6 version still, has a tendency to have transmission issues. Not nearly as many as before, but even the latest generation Odysseys have not been bulletproof. The 4-cyl one has.

4) The V6 she was looking at was a 2008, which was a first year car. There were some weird VCM and oil consumption issues with the first year models, that Honda claimed to be fine.

Originally Posted By: kkreit01
Sounds like she got a good price on a good car.

"exact color combination she wanted (silver/grey interior)". Let me guess, her favorite flavor of ice cream is "vanilla"?
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I think she just wanted the "safe" choice. It is a color combination that is more easily resold.
 
Excellent choice. $4k off a Honda is great too. Pricing is really giving Hyundai/Kia a battle. There was a time when you couldn't even haggle for a Honda or Toyota. Now, both automakers understand.

As fuel prices go up, she'll appreciate that 4cyl Accord more.

Nothing wrong with 5-speed automatics. There was a time when a 2-speed was fine, and 3-speed auto's worked great. I never thought that I was in a wrong gear with my 4-speed Taurus, Camry, Altima, Maxima, 6i, CrownVic......

A new car and new car warranty is always better than having that used status symbol crash/flood rebuild sludged engine megapowered car that breaks down or needs new tires, brakes, maintenance....

I won't buy an Accord until they put a V8 into it along with an 8-speed auto, and 1-million watt headlights so that I can see 20 miles past the horizon at night..... consumers can be silly.

I think the #1 most important thing I learned from this adventure is to look past the media and forum hype and to think critically about your true needs for the car.
Now, try that for ALL your life decisions and purchases!
 
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