2004 and up Sienna or Odyssey

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Originally Posted By: FL-400S
Back on topic, I guess Honda transmissions arent made of glass, but maybe Ford's are? Lots of complaints on Edmunds about Windstar and Freestar transmissions barely lasting 40k miles. Anyone have any info on that?


You have to take data from sights like that with a grain of salt. Typically, the only people who post on those sights about their experiences with any vehicle are the ones who are having problems. So you look at Edmunds or other similar sights for a Windstar or Odyssey or whatever and think "Wow. People have nothing but problems," which isn't the case at all.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
but since the 2000s they've porked out to where they're about as heavy as a small conventional van from the 70s.

This is true. The 2010 LX Odyssey comes in at a heaving 4,387 lbs. Bloatmobiles, and hard for me to justify unless I'm utilize the capacity >50% of the time.
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
The Mazda5 is the sports car of minivans.
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It's probably the only 'real' minivan as the others are as big as full-size vans from a couple of decades ago. Sometimes less is more.

The newer models are a bit purdier IMO, and can now carry 7 pasengers. And these can be had in a manual trans too!
 
Originally Posted By: JTK
Those [Mazda 5's] are cool, but I wouldn't call that a minivan.

The salesman at the Mazda dealer called them "mini minivans".
 
Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Originally Posted By: FL-400S
Back on topic, I guess Honda transmissions arent made of glass, but maybe Ford's are? Lots of complaints on Edmunds about Windstar and Freestar transmissions barely lasting 40k miles. Anyone have any info on that?


You have to take data from sights like that with a grain of salt. Typically, the only people who post on those sights about their experiences with any vehicle are the ones who are having problems. So you look at Edmunds or other similar sights for a Windstar or Odyssey or whatever and think "Wow. People have nothing but problems," which isn't the case at all.


I can't believe I wrote "sights" instead of "sites."
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Originally Posted By: hypervish
The 41TE on the Dodge Caravans are terrible. Many have been replaced numerous times.


The more recent ones (like, 2000 and newer) are much better than the older ones. You read about few failures of newer 41TEs.
 
Originally Posted By: NJC
The newer models are a bit purdier IMO, and can now carry 7 pasengers. And these can be had in a manual trans too!


Yes, but it is either seating 7 with no luggage or seating 5 with luggage.
That is why they call them mini minivan.
You can haul a lot in an Odyssey, even with 8 seating in it.
 
It's not just edmunds. Start to google "2004 freestar" and google fills in "transmission" automatically. Even wiki says the trans may be why the Freestar was never very popular. FWIW. It may be due to lack of servicing, but so many cars do fine on minimal maintenance, there's really no reason it should fail.




Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Originally Posted By: FL-400S
Back on topic, I guess Honda transmissions arent made of glass, but maybe Ford's are? Lots of complaints on Edmunds about Windstar and Freestar transmissions barely lasting 40k miles. Anyone have any info on that?


You have to take data from sights like that with a grain of salt. Typically, the only people who post on those sights about their experiences with any vehicle are the ones who are having problems. So you look at Edmunds or other similar sights for a Windstar or Odyssey or whatever and think "Wow. People have nothing but problems," which isn't the case at all.
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: hypervish
The 41TE on the Dodge Caravans are terrible. Many have been replaced numerous times.


The more recent ones (like, 2000 and newer) are much better than the older ones. You read about few failures of newer 41TEs.


The newer one's are better than the previous- True. BUT, they still fail more than they should.
 
Originally Posted By: Pesca
Originally Posted By: NJC
The newer models are a bit purdier IMO, and can now carry 7 pasengers. And these can be had in a manual trans too!

Yes, but it is either seating 7 with no luggage or seating 5 with luggage.
That is why they call them mini minivan.
You can haul a lot in an Odyssey, even with 8 seating in it.

Absolutely, I'm not claiming these 2 vehicles are equivalent in cargo space - but if the requirements for a large vehicle are only needed a small percentage of the time, what's wrong with a trailer or roof-top carrier?
 
At one of the local-ish (20 miles away) dealers here we test drove a Malibu. This was summer 09 when the new Camaro just came out. The salesman said a doctor came in and bought it, cash, for eight thousand over sticker. It was the only one the dealer had at the time and a few people wanted it. They are all idiots, IMO, even if you've got the money to burn. The dealer in town (2 miles away) was selling them at the time for a little under sticker.
 
Hmmmm...

My experience has been that the minivans are more problematic than regular cars.

I like driving the odyssey and Chrysler best, but would probably buy a sienna.

Although the least reliable vehicle I ever had was an '86 Toyota LE Van. My most reliable was a Toyota truck.
 
Is the 3.5L Quest pretty reliable? Does the trans have a dipstick or drain bolt? It seems the hondas and Toyotas do.
 
Originally Posted By: FL-400S
Is the 3.5L Quest pretty reliable?


Very reliable as far as the engine and transmission go. That powertrain has been around for a long time. It's just the rest of the bells and whistles that I'd worry about. You really don't see many Quest vans. I bet all other MV's in my area out number the Quest 100 to 1.

Joel
 
Originally Posted By: FL-400S
Did the 2003 3.0L Sienna suffer from sludge? or was that only the earlier non-vvti version?


Nope, the so called "problem" was fixed in 01/02 (mid-year). They made the oil passages bigger. The earlier years were also vvti.
 
Originally Posted By: hypervish
Originally Posted By: FL-400S
Did the 2003 3.0L Sienna suffer from sludge? or was that only the earlier non-vvti version?


Nope, the so called "problem" was fixed in 01/02 (mid-year). They made the oil passages bigger. The earlier years were also vvti.


I don't think the 1MZ-FE engine had VVT-i before 2001. This Wikipedia article may be wrong though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_MZ_engine#1MZ-FE
 
I have a 2006 Toyota Sienna, bought new. When we were shopping for vans, we narrowed down our list of serious contenders to this and the Honda Odyssey. What made me pick one over the other?

Several factors:

* I'm not a huge fan of Hondas
* Honda's problematic transmission from the previous generation was carried forward
* We were looking at the 8 seaters: Honda's 8th seat was pretty much useless in size
* Honda dealers were firm on price (got my Toyota at invoice price)
* Oddball tire size on the Honda (only one make/model on the market in that size at the time)
* Need to be a contorionist to change the oil on the Honda
* Toyota had a full tow prep package standard (that model year)
* I preferred the interior layout of the Toyota (though Honda's I could still be happy with)

I now have just under 94,000km/59,000mi on the clock. I am very happy with this vehicle, and there have been no major issues. In fact, the only issues with the vehicle (not counting the aftermarket DVD player we added, or the twit at Canadian Tire who wrecked a part) are: some LEDs illuminating the garage door opener button and defrost button have burnt out; a well known software glitch in ECU that causes a very brief hesitation, but it is rare, and seems to happen only if you coast at a low speed, then suddenly stomp on the accelerator. Very hard to replicate, and I've experienced it maybe only twice a year on average. The battery [censored] out a bit early last fall, but it may have been in part due to leaving the inside lights on a few times (oops). Other than that, absolutely no issues with the van.

The engine in the 2004-2006 years were the 3.3L 3MZ-FE. It is not a sludger, but apparently is related to one of the sludger engines. The 2007+ 3.5L is a different engine altogether. Yes, the 3.5L has more power, but things to be aware of are, the 2007+ do not seem to be consistently equipped to handle towing, and many argue that the 3.3L, while having less power, is far more refined and the lower power output is for the most part not something you'd miss 95% of the time.

I've been changing the oil on this engine every 8,000km or so, using whatever synthetic has been on sale, plus either an OEM or Napa Gold (WIX) oil filter. Air filters used were also either OEM or Napa Gold. Did one drain and fill of the transmission using T-IV, and plan on doing another very soon.

The van has been used to tow a tent trailer that weighs in on the heavy end (2008 Fleetwood Utah) and the van has no problems towing it. Last summer, we drove from Alberta to the Great Lakes area and back towing the trailer. I remember one incident on a highway, a guy in a little econobox behind me, while we were both stuck behind slow vehicles kept edging left to see if he could pass. Everytime we had a passing lane, we'd both pull left, and by the end of the passing lane at the top of the hill, I'd have him at least a 1/2 to 3/4 miles behind me, and I wasn't even pushing the van that hard with the trailer behind. As I would do with any vehicle, I watched the tach to make sure I didn't drive with the torque converter unlocked, and if I noticed it unlock, I'd drop it down to 4 instead of D. This is the less powerful 3.3L. Knowing how happy I've been with the performance of the 3.3L, not sure I'd pick the 3.5L if given a chance to go back in time and make the switch.
 
I checked out the new 2011 Sienna, Odyssey, T+C, and Sedona at a car show. The 2nd row middle seat on the sienna is now a flimsy little removable seat build for a small kid, like the old odysseys. Total downgrade compared to 2004-2010. The two side seats are awesome, and slide at least 18" front to back for ultimate comfort. The 2011 Odyssey now has a nice middle seat like the previous sienna. I think the odyssey wins for 3rd row comfort too, though I don't plan on sitting back there. T+C has stow and go standard, and the second row seats suck IMO. No 8 seaters I think. Sedona was ok but not something I'm really looking at unless a new one was like 18k.

I thought I had a nice 2003 sienna lined up, but seller wanted top dollar and this was a basic CE model. It had very low mileage so I wasn't too concerned about sludge, but still leery. Most 2004's I see have sorta high miles 100k+ and are way over 10k. Ill just have to keep looking.

Which "blue book" is most accurate for used prices? KBB seems way higher than Edmunds, and Nada is mostly dealer trade in value.
 
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