2004 and up Sienna or Odyssey

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I'm thinkin' I want a minivan, and dont want to drop $25-30k on a new one. I also dont want to buy a used one with known issues. Some of the earlier Toyota's probably have sludge issues, and do some Honda's have weak transmissions? 2007 seems to be a sweet spot for sienna's, with side airbags standard in 2006 and the new 3.5L V6 in 2007. Is the 3.3L a sludge engine?

What years would be best for an Odyssey?
 
No trouble from our 04 Odyssey, so far. I change transmission fluid every 30,000 miles or less, with Honda fluid. It takes about 3 quarts each time, so its a long time before total replacement. Around 82,000 miles on the car now.
 
I'd probably prefer a 2007+ Sienna, due to the 3.5L engine (with a timing chain). The 3.3L doesn't have as much power, has a timing belt, and there's really no fuel economy advantage either.

The 2004 Odyssey is the older generation...2005-2010 is the "current" generation. I believe the powertrain is the same (and a good one) throughout that 05-10 generation.
 
Run don't walk from the Odyssey as fast as you can at any price! These things can be a nightmare.My brother has an 06 since new and spend many thousands (over 10k) on it in parts alone (my labor) long before 100k but just outside the warranty.

Many major parts inc transmission and steering rack that were replaced with brand new OEM are on their second and third units.

The Toyota is a superior van,just make sure its not sludged when you buy it and perform a regular OCI with quality oil.
 
do both vans have a drain bolt on the trans and a dipstick? I know toyota is hit and miss for which years/models have dipsticks and/or drain bolts.
 
Does it have to be one of those two?

You could probably get a newer Nissan Quest for the same price. It's no more or less a sludger than the Toyota. It does have kinda' a wonky dashboard and I don't know why that picked that terrible shade of amber for the I/P and controls but some like it.

You could definitely get a newer or much better equipped Entourage/Sedona. Hyundai/Kia has upped their quality control considerably but a lot of people still complain about various creaks and squeaks.

Caravan? Russian Roulette with the transmission. The 3.3 is gutless but durable. The 3.8 is a little less gutless but still durable (durable enough to serve in the Jeep Wrangler)
 
No caravan or kia for me.

I'd consider a Nissan but only if they are less $ than the others. The quest has something odd about the way the 3rd row folds down too. Chevy might be an option, but the newest models (uplander) are very ugly and I dont even put much consideration into stuff like that. And theres that whole issue of the intake manifold gaskets. Ugh.
 
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You may think I'm just being a homer... but I think Chrysler (for all its troubles) still makes the best minivan. My second pick would be the Sienna. But then I'm absolutely NOT a minivan guy- I think they're all (regardless of brand) inherently a bag of mechanical woes, just because something that fat and heavy should never be hauled around by the front wheels with a transverse engine and size-compromised transaxle. It was different in 1984 when the first Caravan and Voyager were truly "mini" vans, but since the 2000s they've porked out to where they're about as heavy as a small conventional van from the 70s.
 
For the Odyssey, there was a big redesign between 2004 and 2005. Honda kept the problematic 5 speed, though. That was changed for the 2007 model year. I owned a 2003 up through 130K miles with no significant problems (although I drive easy, 105K on front brake pads, 65K on original tires...). (Of course, Mobil 1 0W20 or 5W20 and Purolator Pure 1 14459 every 5K miles.)
My daughter owns it now.

I'm now driving a 2009 EX-L version. It has the cylinder deactivation feature on the engine but still I get about .5-1 mpg less than the 2003. This engine/transmission combination is geared noticeably lower in 5th than the older version, so the engine spins about 300 RPM higher at 70 MPH.

The split rear bench adds flexibility as well as removing two metal brackets that supported the old single bench and were less than 48 inches apart 5 inches above the deck (if you ever wanted to haul wallboard/plywood/OSB/etc.. in 4x8 sheets).

24k miles to date and other than oil changes one visit to the dealer for a transmission reprogramming (and a rear brake bulb out, 5 minute fix).

Based solely on the transmission issue I'd pick the 2007 or newer but a very large number of these vehicles have had no problems at all.

It comes down to cases; can you find one that's been driven easy and been well maintained (service records)?
 
Don't get a chrysler that's for sure! Look's like you already have the hardest part figured out.
The 3.3L is not a sludger, neither was the 3.0 if maintained properly and used synthetic from the start or did short oci's with conventional.
Get the Sienna, it'll serve you well!
 
Originally Posted By: FL-400S
... Chevy might be an option, but the newest models (uplander) are very ugly and I dont even put much consideration into stuff like that. And theres that whole issue of the intake manifold gaskets. Ugh.


If you're buying pre-owned there's the Buick Terraza. Admittedly, all the incarnations of the GM minivan were butt-ugly but the Terraza almost made it to just hideous
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
You may think I'm just being a homer... but I think Chrysler (for all its troubles) still makes the best minivan.... It was different in 1984 when the first Caravan and Voyager were truly "mini" vans, but since the 2000s they've porked out to where they're about as heavy as a small conventional van from the 70s.


Well, in '84 the only competition was the Volkswagen Vanagon and Toyota van...each with about 80 hp. By comparison the 115 hp 4G54 "Hemi" (Mitsubishi) powered Caravan was downright sprightly.
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But the first generation was so much easier to park and drive than subsequent Caravans. You got an early 6G72 powered 3 speed Torqueflite Caravan and it would actually accelerate to a certain degree. All you had to do is pay throught the nose for timing belt changes.

But back on subject: I would go Mazda5 first, CaraRoutanvan 2nd, Quest or Sienna depending on price. (sienna 4cyl can actually hit 60mph in under 10 seconds!)
 
A lot of it depends on how much you want to spend. For a ~2yr old MV, you can't beat Hyundai or Kia, but I see you won't go that route. Next up bargain wise would be a Dodge or a Ford Freestar. I think the Freestar's went out of production around 2006?. We had a 2001 Windstar that was an awesome van for us and a great price when I bought it used in 2004. I leased an Odyssey LX in 2008 and wound up buying it out recently. As far as handling and performance (if you want to call it that!), the Ody is the 'sports car' of minivans. They've got a ridiculous amount of power and handle like a small car. The ride isn't the best, nor is NVH or "city" MPG for that matter. 2007+ has latest version of the 5spd auto. Basically going from 3-shafts to 4 has something to do with the improvements. Engine and transmission oil changes are a snap on them. For around town driving- which is mostly what ours sees, it gets around 20-21mpg at best. Hyway travel can get you 27mpg+. Look for an Ody LX if you want a bargain. I leased mine for 3/36 for ~$270mo and bought it out for $15500. E-XL and touring are a WHOLE lot more money for interior goodies. GM had the best record w/ transmissions, but they got out of the MV market. You don't hear of Sienna trans issues or Hyundai/Kia either for that matter. If I had to buy another MV today, I'd go Hyundai/Kia.

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Originally Posted By: Trav
My brother has an 06 [Odyssey] since new and spend many thousands (over 10k) on it in parts alone (my labor) long before 100k but just outside the warranty.


Sounds not all that unlike my 2007 Chrysler Town & Country. The dealer has put about $5k's worth of warranty work into the van, including 2 replacement A/C compressors, 1 replacement alternator, a $1300 powertrain harness, 2 replacement belt tensioners, a few replacement sway bar bushing sets, 1 replacement rear ABS sensor, a $300 Sirius radio receiver, etc. Myself, I've paid for 2 replacement tie rod ends, another handful of sway bar bushing replacements, and 2 replacement rear ABS sensors (yes, Mopar's replacement went bad after 15 months).

We love the van. Love, love, love the van. The 3.8L is a quiet and durable engine. Since the early 2000s, the 41TE transmissions are fairly trouble-free. We've had both a 2003 and a 2007 and not a hiccup from the engine or trans. The driving position is perfect for is. The door window sills are low so that your elbow just naturally finds it and it's a perfect height. All the bells and whistles have been 100% reliable. The heated seats are great. The power moonroof has been perfect. The rear seat video and 6-disc changer are perfect. The leather seating has held up very well.

We love the van. But the ownership experience has been horrible. I'll look at either a Sienna or an Odyssey next.
 
Originally Posted By: JTK
... As far as handling and performance (if you want to call it that!), the Ody is the 'sports car' of minivans....


The Mazda5 is the sports car of minivans.
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It's probably the only 'real' minivan as the others are as big as full-size vans from a couple of decades ago. Sometimes less is more.
 
Those are cool, but I wouldn't call that a minivan. That's a small car with sliding side doors. That vehicle is like comparing apples to oranges with an Ody, Sienna, etc.
 
i have a late 2004 ody with 183k on it. Original transmission with just routine fluid changes at 30k. The only issue i have had with it was a clogged egr valve at 165k.

Van has been rock solid so far. Spark plug changes are easy as are fluid changes and the oil filter is really easy to get at.
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: JTK
... As far as handling and performance (if you want to call it that!), the Ody is the 'sports car' of minivans....


The Mazda5 is the sports car of minivans.
Mazda-Mazda5-1.jpg


It's probably the only 'real' minivan as the others are as big as full-size vans from a couple of decades ago. Sometimes less is more.


I agree with JTK on that one, the Mazda 5 is not a minivan. It is a car where you can eventually sit 6 people,.. and they better not be adults if they have to sit in the last row.
It is either 6 seating with no luggage or 4-5 with some luggage.

In the Odyssey, we have already sat 8 in it with luggage for a one week cruise (with a thule on top but no use of the in-floor compartment, and all the necessary equipment for not yet 2 year old child, stroller included). We just let one of our neighbors use the car for a one week vacation in the Boston area with the car, once again, two families of 4 with luggage. When they saw the car, their first reaction was: "Cool, we will able to use bigger suitcases".

My parents, in their sixties, don't mind sit in the third, and me neither, at 6'1, I like to sit there sometimes when I need some quietness.

As you can see, I do the bare minimum for the car and didn't have a single problem to date with it. My wife doing only city driving for now achieves 18 mpg but me, without forcing do in the 21-22 mpg range when I use it. We have great highway mileage with it, close to 30 mpg as far as I remember.

We test drove both the Odyssey and the Sienna, and didn't have to think twice before choosing the Odyssey.

Like JTK said, if you want to avoid any problem with it, forget the bells and whistles, that are the parts which will failed (no electric sliding doors for example). It is cheaper to get the base model and more reliable.
 
I have a 2005 Odyssey and never had a problem with 78,000 miles. Replaced tires and brakes last year. My wife has hit many things with it, but it keeps trucking. I even tow with it. I do change the transmission oil twice a year, but just a drain and fill. Likes: seats 8, handles like a car (less body lean and more confident braking than Sienna of 05), reliable (so far, but I don't expect issues till over 150,000miles), good MPG (usually 21mpg mostly city mostly loaded with 8 people youngest is 12).
Dislikes: Noisier than the 05 Sienna (from test drives), I believe that mailboxes and trash cans are magnetically attracted to it which would explain my wife's difficulties.

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