If ground clearance matters to you, Sienna has better clearance.
2004 and up Sienna or Odyssey
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Originally Posted By: JTK
Those are cool, but I wouldn't call that a minivan. That's a small car with sliding side doors. That vehicle is like comparing apples to oranges with an Ody, Sienna, etc.
I believe that's the point. The M5 is about the size of the original Minivans. Today's minivans are anything but "mini." It doesn't have sliding doors, but the Dodge Journey is also a vehicle about the size of the original minivans.
Those are cool, but I wouldn't call that a minivan. That's a small car with sliding side doors. That vehicle is like comparing apples to oranges with an Ody, Sienna, etc.
I believe that's the point. The M5 is about the size of the original Minivans. Today's minivans are anything but "mini." It doesn't have sliding doors, but the Dodge Journey is also a vehicle about the size of the original minivans.
I think the designation "mini" is relative. Compared to an E-350, my Town & Country is a go-kart. Driving my Town & Country back-to-back with my church's 1998 E-350 12-passenger model, it's like a semi vs. a slot car.
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Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
I think the designation "mini" is relative. Compared to an E-350, my Town & Country is a go-kart...
Exactly. What's considered a compact car today is way larger that what was termed a compact in the 70's and 80's. I'm not sure about the very first Caravans, but it wasn't long before they were offered in short and long wheel bases. I remember Caravans with a bench seat up front and manual trans. Regardless, we're going all BITOG here. The OP asked specifically about the Sienna and Ody and we're discussing vehicles that aren't even in the same class!
Joel
I think the designation "mini" is relative. Compared to an E-350, my Town & Country is a go-kart...
Exactly. What's considered a compact car today is way larger that what was termed a compact in the 70's and 80's. I'm not sure about the very first Caravans, but it wasn't long before they were offered in short and long wheel bases. I remember Caravans with a bench seat up front and manual trans. Regardless, we're going all BITOG here. The OP asked specifically about the Sienna and Ody and we're discussing vehicles that aren't even in the same class!
Joel
Originally Posted By: JTK
Regardless, we're going all BITOG here.
That's funny. And doesn't it happen a lot!
Regardless, we're going all BITOG here.
That's funny. And doesn't it happen a lot!
Originally Posted By: JTK
Regardless, we're going all BITOG here. The OP asked specifically about the Sienna and Ody and we're discussing vehicles that aren't even in the same class!
Joel
That's what I love about BITOG... when people do "go all BITOG."
Besides, the actual first post (paraphrased) was "I'm thinking about used minivans, Odysseys have transmission problems and Siennas have sludge problems..." Sounds like a perfect opening for other options to me. ;-)
Regardless, we're going all BITOG here. The OP asked specifically about the Sienna and Ody and we're discussing vehicles that aren't even in the same class!
Joel
That's what I love about BITOG... when people do "go all BITOG."
Besides, the actual first post (paraphrased) was "I'm thinking about used minivans, Odysseys have transmission problems and Siennas have sludge problems..." Sounds like a perfect opening for other options to me. ;-)
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: JTK
Regardless, we're going all BITOG here. The OP asked specifically about the Sienna and Ody and we're discussing vehicles that aren't even in the same class!
Joel
That's what I love about BITOG... when people do "go all BITOG."
Besides, the actual first post (paraphrased) was "I'm thinking about used minivans, Odysseys have transmission problems and Siennas have sludge problems..." Sounds like a perfect opening for other options to me. ;-)
Sienna's don't have a sludge issue. Get your facts straight!
Originally Posted By: JTK
Regardless, we're going all BITOG here. The OP asked specifically about the Sienna and Ody and we're discussing vehicles that aren't even in the same class!
Joel
That's what I love about BITOG... when people do "go all BITOG."
Besides, the actual first post (paraphrased) was "I'm thinking about used minivans, Odysseys have transmission problems and Siennas have sludge problems..." Sounds like a perfect opening for other options to me. ;-)
Sienna's don't have a sludge issue. Get your facts straight!
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Originally Posted By: hypervish
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: JTK
Regardless, we're going all BITOG here. The OP asked specifically about the Sienna and Ody and we're discussing vehicles that aren't even in the same class!
Joel
That's what I love about BITOG... when people do "go all BITOG."
Besides, the actual first post (paraphrased) was "I'm thinking about used minivans, Odysseys have transmission problems and Siennas have sludge problems..." Sounds like a perfect opening for other options to me. ;-)
Sienna's don't have a sludge issue. Get your facts straight!
You've only been hear since April, so you get your facts straight. Siennas, along with a lot of other Toyotas, used to have a sludge problem--a WELL documented sludge problem.
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: JTK
Regardless, we're going all BITOG here. The OP asked specifically about the Sienna and Ody and we're discussing vehicles that aren't even in the same class!
Joel
That's what I love about BITOG... when people do "go all BITOG."
Besides, the actual first post (paraphrased) was "I'm thinking about used minivans, Odysseys have transmission problems and Siennas have sludge problems..." Sounds like a perfect opening for other options to me. ;-)
Sienna's don't have a sludge issue. Get your facts straight!
You've only been hear since April, so you get your facts straight. Siennas, along with a lot of other Toyotas, used to have a sludge problem--a WELL documented sludge problem.
Originally Posted By: FL-400S
How could I tell if a 3.0L Sienna had sludge? Could I see it by the oil fill cap or dipstick?
Which years of Odyssey's have glass transmissions?
No, the 3.0L engine has a baffle. You have to take of the valve cover to check for sludge.
How could I tell if a 3.0L Sienna had sludge? Could I see it by the oil fill cap or dipstick?
Which years of Odyssey's have glass transmissions?
No, the 3.0L engine has a baffle. You have to take of the valve cover to check for sludge.
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Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Originally Posted By: hypervish
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: JTK
Regardless, we're going all BITOG here. The OP asked specifically about the Sienna and Ody and we're discussing vehicles that aren't even in the same class!
Joel
That's what I love about BITOG... when people do "go all BITOG."
Besides, the actual first post (paraphrased) was "I'm thinking about used minivans, Odysseys have transmission problems and Siennas have sludge problems..." Sounds like a perfect opening for other options to me. ;-)
Sienna's don't have a sludge issue. Get your facts straight!
You've only been hear since April, so you get your facts straight. Siennas, along with a lot of other Toyotas, used to have a sludge problem--a WELL documented sludge problem.
Just because I've been here since April, doesn't been i don't know jack. I work at my uncle's shop, I know a **** more than you about cars. 3.0L's didn't have a sludge problem, the owners used conventional and did extremely long OCI'S and they ended up with sludge. How is that Toyota's fault? It's not. Sure the oil passage is a bit smaller then normal, but if you did conventional oil changes at 3k or synthetic oil changes at 7.5k miles, the engine would be spotless.
Originally Posted By: hypervish
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: JTK
Regardless, we're going all BITOG here. The OP asked specifically about the Sienna and Ody and we're discussing vehicles that aren't even in the same class!
Joel
That's what I love about BITOG... when people do "go all BITOG."
Besides, the actual first post (paraphrased) was "I'm thinking about used minivans, Odysseys have transmission problems and Siennas have sludge problems..." Sounds like a perfect opening for other options to me. ;-)
Sienna's don't have a sludge issue. Get your facts straight!
You've only been hear since April, so you get your facts straight. Siennas, along with a lot of other Toyotas, used to have a sludge problem--a WELL documented sludge problem.
Just because I've been here since April, doesn't been i don't know jack. I work at my uncle's shop, I know a **** more than you about cars. 3.0L's didn't have a sludge problem, the owners used conventional and did extremely long OCI'S and they ended up with sludge. How is that Toyota's fault? It's not. Sure the oil passage is a bit smaller then normal, but if you did conventional oil changes at 3k or synthetic oil changes at 7.5k miles, the engine would be spotless.
Originally Posted By: hypervish
Just because I've been here since April, doesn't been i don't know jack. I work at my uncle's shop, I know a **** more than you about cars. 3.0L's didn't have a sludge problem, the owners used conventional and did extremely long OCI'S and they ended up with sludge. How is that Toyota's fault? It's not. Sure the oil passage is a bit smaller then normal, but if you did conventional oil changes at 3k or synthetic oil changes at 7.5k miles, the engine would be spotless.
Isn't that engine on the sludge list?
A lot of people mistreat cars, and don't seem to have those problems.
Just because I've been here since April, doesn't been i don't know jack. I work at my uncle's shop, I know a **** more than you about cars. 3.0L's didn't have a sludge problem, the owners used conventional and did extremely long OCI'S and they ended up with sludge. How is that Toyota's fault? It's not. Sure the oil passage is a bit smaller then normal, but if you did conventional oil changes at 3k or synthetic oil changes at 7.5k miles, the engine would be spotless.
Isn't that engine on the sludge list?
A lot of people mistreat cars, and don't seem to have those problems.
Originally Posted By: hypervish
Sienna's don't have a sludge issue. Get your facts straight!
The straight fact is that even Toyota thought they had enough of a problem to buy thousands of people new engines... including 2 of my coworkers who've never had any other engine fail with the same maintenance routine.
Sienna's don't have a sludge issue. Get your facts straight!
The straight fact is that even Toyota thought they had enough of a problem to buy thousands of people new engines... including 2 of my coworkers who've never had any other engine fail with the same maintenance routine.
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: hypervish
Sienna's don't have a sludge issue. Get your facts straight!
The straight fact is that even Toyota thought they had enough of a problem to buy thousands of people new engines... including 2 of my coworkers who've never had any other engine fail with the same maintenance routine.
They exteneded the warranty, because they felt that they needed to stand up for their product. Which no domestic company has ever done, and ever will do.
Originally Posted By: hypervish
Sienna's don't have a sludge issue. Get your facts straight!
The straight fact is that even Toyota thought they had enough of a problem to buy thousands of people new engines... including 2 of my coworkers who've never had any other engine fail with the same maintenance routine.
They exteneded the warranty, because they felt that they needed to stand up for their product. Which no domestic company has ever done, and ever will do.
Wow. This is going to go downhill fast.
I'm surprised this hasn't been locked yet.
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