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This past spring, the Social Security Trustees released their annual report on the state of the Social Security and Medicare programs. The report on the state of entitlement programs is rather grim -- the combined unfunded liabilities of both programs are a $101 trillion, says Mike Whalen, policy chairman of the National Center for Policy Analysis.

What does it all mean?

To pay promised elderly entitlement benefits to our old folks into the future, we must have $101 trillion in the bank today gathering interest.
This is the amount above and beyond what dedicated payroll taxes and general revenues will cover; in other words, the cost of this unfunded liability amounts to more than $300,000 for every man, woman and child in America. Many shrug their shoulders at a debt that seems so far into the future. To his credit, U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson warned shortly after the report's release that without entitlement reforms, "rising costs will drive government spending to unprecedented levels, consume nearly all projected federal revenues and threaten America's future prosperity."

However, Pete Stark, California Democrat, of the House Ways and Means Health Subcommittee, remarked: "Reports of Medicare's death have been greatly exaggerated."

Not so, says Whalen:

Currently Social Security and Medicare Part A are covered by a 15.3 percent payroll tax, half paid by the employee and the other half paid by the employer.
But according to the Trustees Report, today's payroll taxes percent would have to increase by one-third to meet unfunded obligations of Social Security and Medicare Part A.
If payroll taxes were increased to include the shortfalls from Part B and the prescription drug program, one-third of workers wages would be committed to pay for promised benefits by 2054.
Moreover, in the absence of any tax increase or entitlement reform, the federal government would have to stop spending money on 1 in 4 services it currently provides by 2020, such as education or infrastructure. The cutbacks would increase to 1 in 2 by 2030, says Whalen.

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17104
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Paying Social Security and Medicare benefits to current workers will cost $52 trillion.
If these programs were funded by investments, they say, the government would have to set aside $102 trillion (about 7 times the size of the U.S. economy) to keep the programs solvent.
Assuming the government continues to use current tax revenue to pay for Social Security and Medicare, the two programs will consume one-tenth of the federal budget by 2012, almost half by 2030, and 80 percent by 2070.

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17321

Kinda makes the current "worst crisis since the Great Depression" look like a drop in the bucket, eh?
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They should probably use a negative discount rate to get the present value, since rates right now are essentially negative. Meaning they'd lose money from investing a required present value amount to pay out future funds.
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They probably used an inflated discount rate so the present vale isn't so scary. It's probably much much higher then 100 trillion.

We are DOOMED.
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The pyramid scheme called Social Security has finally collapsed.

I remember having a discussion with an elderly person about them enjoying retirement benefits that I probably won't see. With a crocodile smile they just shrugged and infuriated me by saying, "I guess you'll just have to work harder and save more".

If I could I'd really like to stick it to the old folk right now.
 
I can no longer be optimistic. Obama might be able create one more bubble, but the long run economic outlook for this country looks very bad. I'm sure many will argue it's just another recession, only more severe. That's true but it's leading to something bigger and far worse.

Our country is broke. Even with another boom, our debt is too high. I think Schiff is right and inflation will be severe in a year or so.
 
You can't save your own labor for when you retire, in the form of green slips of paper or anything else.

You can only hope there'll be an adequate proportion of working bodies to take all the diaper changing jobs oldsters "need".

Taxing the bejeezus out of today's folk isn't going to "save" anything for when they retire.

One way or another, the generation cursed with tons of retirees will shoulder the burden.

I get a more placid world view by looking at my 15.3% tax as just another part of the income tax, the part that's regressive... hey, everyone should get a variety of taxes-- some fair, some not!
 
We're not going to see the mega inflation that should be expected until the rest of the world stops lending us back all the money we create. When that happens, we're [censored].
 
Originally Posted By: buster
Our country is broke. Even with another boom, our debt is too high. I think Schiff is right and inflation will be severe in a year or so.


Ding Ding!

We have the answer!

The hole has been dug and is too deep to get out.

There are answers that would work but we (most USA citizens) are too dumb (thank our public school system) and lazy to *work* it out.

Bill
 
Now I know why demographers insist that we need even more people. It's not to fill the empty trains and houses ..

otherwise, the whole thing would be over between 2020 and 2040. All the baby boomers will be dead.
 
We should go under as a Country, but we're too big to go under (now).

Doomsday by December 2012. Just like the Mayans predicted.

Buy what you need to survive; you have been warned.
 
I'm listening to a little Stevie right now, "Crossfire". Really has a lot of meaning under the current times.

Pretty much sums up my perception of this country:

Day by day night after night,
blinded by the neon lights
Hurry here hustlin' there,
no one's got the time to spare
Money's tight nothin' free,
won't somebody come and rescue me
I am stranded, caught in the crossfire
Stranded, caught in the crossfire

Tooth for tooth eye for an eye,
sell your soul just to buy buy buy
Beggin' a dollar stealin' a dime,
come on can't you see that I
I am stranded, caught in the crossfire
I am stranded, caught in the crossfire

I need some kind of kindness,
some kind of sympathy oh no
We're stranded, caught in the crossfire

Save the strong lose the weak,
never turning the other cheek
Trust nobody don't be no fool,
whatever happened to the golden rule
We got stranded, caught in the crossfire
We got stranded, caught in the crossfire
We got stranded, caught in the crossfire
Stranded, caught in the crossfire
Help me
 
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There will be young people to do the diaper changing, but they will have to be imported. India, on the other hand, will have it bad, since they will be the last nation to make the big peak in population, and will have nobody but machines to depend on, after the global "grey dawn" takes over.
 
I'm done vomiting, cramping up, or getting the runs for worrying about this garbage.

Originally Posted By: somebodysortamadethishitupbutit'snotbad*

“A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.”

“From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”

“The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years”

During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage


*http://www.lorencollins.net/tytler.html
http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp
 
Pablo, that about sums it up.

But we are going willingly into bondage, which amazes me.

I guess that it's just a transition from 7 to 8 that's a slippery slide.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I'm done vomiting, cramping up, or getting the runs for worrying about this garbage.

Originally Posted By: somebodysortamadethishitupbutit'snotbad*

“A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.”

“From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”

“The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years”

During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage


*http://www.lorencollins.net/tytler.html
http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp




Uhhhhhhhh, I remember that post...

It may come true, but TRY not to worry about it. Just prepare, that's about all you can do.
 
I just saw the Russian guy on tv predicting the end of America in a few years and we will break up into five different countries.
 
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