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0w30 Quartz better for noisy tappets?
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Purflux filter in.
We'll see how it starts in the next few days.
At least I have all the recommended oil and filter items in now.
Oil that came out of the previous filter was nice and clean anyway.
We'll see how it starts in the next few days.
At least I have all the recommended oil and filter items in now.
Oil that came out of the previous filter was nice and clean anyway.
OK, from across the pond - is there any way to fit a longer/larger filter? Often the gasket and threads are common among many filters and you can usually find a bigger one that will fit...
The reason is that with more filter area, even on cold start, it will be easier for the pump to push the oil through (less resistance) and it will get there quicker.
What oils do you'all have that have extra detergency? We have Mobil 1 which is a pretty good cleaner, but pricey. Most of us use HDEO's to help clean things. I'm sure you have a goodly selection of HDEO's...
I suspect it is a bit of varnish build-up do to running the factory long OCI's... They are not a good idea in my opinion. Especially for motors that are sensitive to oil supply, etc.
If it is varnish, trying to make it go away can be a real bother. But Mobil 1 will slowly break it down
The reason is that with more filter area, even on cold start, it will be easier for the pump to push the oil through (less resistance) and it will get there quicker.
What oils do you'all have that have extra detergency? We have Mobil 1 which is a pretty good cleaner, but pricey. Most of us use HDEO's to help clean things. I'm sure you have a goodly selection of HDEO's...
I suspect it is a bit of varnish build-up do to running the factory long OCI's... They are not a good idea in my opinion. Especially for motors that are sensitive to oil supply, etc.
If it is varnish, trying to make it go away can be a real bother. But Mobil 1 will slowly break it down
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Originally Posted By: BrocLuno
OK, from across the pond - is there any way to fit a longer/larger filter? Often the gasket and threads are common among many filters and you can usually find a bigger one that will fit...
The reason is that with more filter area, even on cold start, it will be easier for the pump to push the oil through (less resistance) and it will get there quicker.
What oils do you'all have that have extra detergency? We have Mobil 1 which is a pretty good cleaner, but pricey. Most of us use HDEO's to help clean things. I'm sure you have a goodly selection of HDEO's...
I suspect it is a bit of varnish build-up do to running the factory long OCI's... They are not a good idea in my opinion. Especially for motors that are sensitive to oil supply, etc.
If it is varnish, trying to make it go away can be a real bother. But Mobil 1 will slowly break it down
Hiya
I'm afraid the Peugeot has a paper cartridge type and a plastic housing you fit it into. Not like the screw on types.
What are the detergents like in the Total Quartz 0w30? I assumed they were as good as Mobil. Castrol Edge or Motul could be other options to try on the next OCI. Not sure if I should use a full HDEO in this engine though.
You may be right about the varnish. May take some time, probably why my mechanic is a bit reluctant to swap the tappets yet.
He said give it more time.
Thanks
OK, from across the pond - is there any way to fit a longer/larger filter? Often the gasket and threads are common among many filters and you can usually find a bigger one that will fit...
The reason is that with more filter area, even on cold start, it will be easier for the pump to push the oil through (less resistance) and it will get there quicker.
What oils do you'all have that have extra detergency? We have Mobil 1 which is a pretty good cleaner, but pricey. Most of us use HDEO's to help clean things. I'm sure you have a goodly selection of HDEO's...
I suspect it is a bit of varnish build-up do to running the factory long OCI's... They are not a good idea in my opinion. Especially for motors that are sensitive to oil supply, etc.
If it is varnish, trying to make it go away can be a real bother. But Mobil 1 will slowly break it down
Hiya
I'm afraid the Peugeot has a paper cartridge type and a plastic housing you fit it into. Not like the screw on types.
What are the detergents like in the Total Quartz 0w30? I assumed they were as good as Mobil. Castrol Edge or Motul could be other options to try on the next OCI. Not sure if I should use a full HDEO in this engine though.
You may be right about the varnish. May take some time, probably why my mechanic is a bit reluctant to swap the tappets yet.
He said give it more time.
Thanks
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Interesting that GM engineers told us in 2004 that one of the reasons they use the small oil filter on their V8's was quicker oil pressure rise.
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Interesting that GM engineers told us in 2004 that one of the reasons they use the small oil filter on their V8's was quicker oil pressure rise.
that would have caused back pressure (not much use to an engines bearings) but what we want is good flow
Interesting that GM engineers told us in 2004 that one of the reasons they use the small oil filter on their V8's was quicker oil pressure rise.
that would have caused back pressure (not much use to an engines bearings) but what we want is good flow
Originally Posted By: Brit33
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Interesting that GM engineers told us in 2004 that one of the reasons they use the small oil filter on their V8's was quicker oil pressure rise.
that would have caused back pressure (not much use to an engines bearings) but what we want is good flow
Beg your pardon. No significant back pressure, that's what the bypass valve opens for. Unless you can fill that big filter you're going to wait longer for full pressure to oil the top end in most engine designs...
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Interesting that GM engineers told us in 2004 that one of the reasons they use the small oil filter on their V8's was quicker oil pressure rise.
that would have caused back pressure (not much use to an engines bearings) but what we want is good flow
Beg your pardon. No significant back pressure, that's what the bypass valve opens for. Unless you can fill that big filter you're going to wait longer for full pressure to oil the top end in most engine designs...
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: Brit33
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Interesting that GM engineers told us in 2004 that one of the reasons they use the small oil filter on their V8's was quicker oil pressure rise.
that would have caused back pressure (not much use to an engines bearings) but what we want is good flow
Beg your pardon. No significant back pressure, that's what the bypass valve opens for. Unless you can fill that big filter you're going to wait longer for full pressure to oil the top end in most engine designs...
Valid point.
But those oil pumps pump like a firemans house. They fill the filter casing up very quickly.
It's the cold viscosity and restrictions (like clogged filters or small filter areas) that slow down the flow.
Back to my tappets.
Today started up nice and quiet, in fact quieter for longer than ever before, then it started to tick for a few seconds after about 20 seconds of starting, faded off, then a bit again.
Very strange but it might conclude that they are a bit varnished up and they are beginning to clean out now after the 2 OC's and flush.
So I think I am seeing an improvement. Fingers crossed.
Originally Posted By: Brit33
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Interesting that GM engineers told us in 2004 that one of the reasons they use the small oil filter on their V8's was quicker oil pressure rise.
that would have caused back pressure (not much use to an engines bearings) but what we want is good flow
Beg your pardon. No significant back pressure, that's what the bypass valve opens for. Unless you can fill that big filter you're going to wait longer for full pressure to oil the top end in most engine designs...
Valid point.
But those oil pumps pump like a firemans house. They fill the filter casing up very quickly.
It's the cold viscosity and restrictions (like clogged filters or small filter areas) that slow down the flow.
Back to my tappets.
Today started up nice and quiet, in fact quieter for longer than ever before, then it started to tick for a few seconds after about 20 seconds of starting, faded off, then a bit again.
Very strange but it might conclude that they are a bit varnished up and they are beginning to clean out now after the 2 OC's and flush.
So I think I am seeing an improvement. Fingers crossed.
good to hear you motor sounds slightly better brit 33. slow steady improvment is going the right way.
i still think with only 32000 miles your car is oil type related,maybe poor cold circulation/varnish etc.rather than metal wear,cam,lifters etc.
today i only had time to have a quick look at my wifes 307,so i removed the oil filter on the cold engine and started up for a couple of minutes. the noise was no different,however i have ordered a new purflux 1109ck,its looks to have a bigger filter area.
tommorrow i hope to drain triple x oil and refill with the bp 0w40,to see if any improvement.
like removing the filter i dont i have anything to lose,as its only an old 5 litre i had tuck away.
i still think with only 32000 miles your car is oil type related,maybe poor cold circulation/varnish etc.rather than metal wear,cam,lifters etc.
today i only had time to have a quick look at my wifes 307,so i removed the oil filter on the cold engine and started up for a couple of minutes. the noise was no different,however i have ordered a new purflux 1109ck,its looks to have a bigger filter area.
tommorrow i hope to drain triple x oil and refill with the bp 0w40,to see if any improvement.
like removing the filter i dont i have anything to lose,as its only an old 5 litre i had tuck away.
BP visco 0w40 seems a lot like Castrol edge 0w40 to me, from the data I've seen.
Originally Posted By: umbee
good to hear you motor sounds slightly better brit 33. slow steady improvment is going the right way.
i still think with only 32000 miles your car is oil type related,maybe poor cold circulation/varnish etc.rather than metal wear,cam,lifters etc.
today i only had time to have a quick look at my wifes 307,so i removed the oil filter on the cold engine and started up for a couple of minutes. the noise was no different,however i have ordered a new purflux 1109ck,its looks to have a bigger filter area.
tommorrow i hope to drain triple x oil and refill with the bp 0w40,to see if any improvement.
like removing the filter i dont i have anything to lose,as its only an old 5 litre i had tuck away.
How long have you have the rattle?
Do you think you might try changing the tappets?
As mine appears to be inconsistent it's more likely something is sticking. Fingers crossed!
My old alfa romeo had ticking when hot consistently. 2 tappets were concave when I took them out!! the lobes on the cams were flat. That was a total rebuild done by myself. New cams, tappets, oil pump etc.
good to hear you motor sounds slightly better brit 33. slow steady improvment is going the right way.
i still think with only 32000 miles your car is oil type related,maybe poor cold circulation/varnish etc.rather than metal wear,cam,lifters etc.
today i only had time to have a quick look at my wifes 307,so i removed the oil filter on the cold engine and started up for a couple of minutes. the noise was no different,however i have ordered a new purflux 1109ck,its looks to have a bigger filter area.
tommorrow i hope to drain triple x oil and refill with the bp 0w40,to see if any improvement.
like removing the filter i dont i have anything to lose,as its only an old 5 litre i had tuck away.
How long have you have the rattle?
Do you think you might try changing the tappets?
As mine appears to be inconsistent it's more likely something is sticking. Fingers crossed!
My old alfa romeo had ticking when hot consistently. 2 tappets were concave when I took them out!! the lobes on the cams were flat. That was a total rebuild done by myself. New cams, tappets, oil pump etc.
hi brit 33,we purchased the 307 in april 2015,83000 miles.the top end noise was already present[maybe private seller had started up earlier in day to reduce sound?].
the noise when starting up from cold lasted for approx 2-3 miles!,until the oil temp was up to normal on the dashboard gauge.i changed the oil to unipart pro s 400 and the noise was only present on cold start up for a few seconds.
the car done approx 3500 miles no problem on that oil,until i saw the triple qx on offer at carparts4less,so i thought another oil change will do no harm,but changing the oil to triple qx the car has returned to old ways!
my local garage say they have heard quite a few peugeots sound top end ticking/rattle?,and not to worry as long as it goes away when the engine is fully hot.
raining at the moment so dont fancy getting wet doing oil change!
at the moment i have not considered a lifter/tappet change,as the noise is annoying but only slight and totally disappears when the engine is warmed up.
the noise when starting up from cold lasted for approx 2-3 miles!,until the oil temp was up to normal on the dashboard gauge.i changed the oil to unipart pro s 400 and the noise was only present on cold start up for a few seconds.
the car done approx 3500 miles no problem on that oil,until i saw the triple qx on offer at carparts4less,so i thought another oil change will do no harm,but changing the oil to triple qx the car has returned to old ways!
my local garage say they have heard quite a few peugeots sound top end ticking/rattle?,and not to worry as long as it goes away when the engine is fully hot.
raining at the moment so dont fancy getting wet doing oil change!
at the moment i have not considered a lifter/tappet change,as the noise is annoying but only slight and totally disappears when the engine is warmed up.
Originally Posted By: umbee
hi brit 33,we purchased the 307 in april 2015,83000 miles.the top end noise was already present[maybe private seller had started up earlier in day to reduce sound?].
the noise when starting up from cold lasted for approx 2-3 miles!,until the oil temp was up to normal on the dashboard gauge.i changed the oil to unipart pro s 400 and the noise was only present on cold start up for a few seconds.
the car done approx 3500 miles no problem on that oil,until i saw the triple qx on offer at carparts4less,so i thought another oil change will do no harm,but changing the oil to triple qx the car has returned to old ways!
my local garage say they have heard quite a few peugeots sound top end ticking/rattle?,and not to worry as long as it goes away when the engine is fully hot.
raining at the moment so dont fancy getting wet doing oil change!
at the moment i have not considered a lifter/tappet change,as the noise is annoying but only slight and totally disappears when the engine is warmed up.
Really miserable here too. 5c and raining non-stop all day.
Good to hear that it's common and ok if gone when hot but still doesn't make us happy with our engines.
Feel like stripping it and replacing the whole top end with new cams and tappets.
Mine is a msytery, mind of its own. More rattle today than yesterday!! It's mad.
hi brit 33,we purchased the 307 in april 2015,83000 miles.the top end noise was already present[maybe private seller had started up earlier in day to reduce sound?].
the noise when starting up from cold lasted for approx 2-3 miles!,until the oil temp was up to normal on the dashboard gauge.i changed the oil to unipart pro s 400 and the noise was only present on cold start up for a few seconds.
the car done approx 3500 miles no problem on that oil,until i saw the triple qx on offer at carparts4less,so i thought another oil change will do no harm,but changing the oil to triple qx the car has returned to old ways!
my local garage say they have heard quite a few peugeots sound top end ticking/rattle?,and not to worry as long as it goes away when the engine is fully hot.
raining at the moment so dont fancy getting wet doing oil change!
at the moment i have not considered a lifter/tappet change,as the noise is annoying but only slight and totally disappears when the engine is warmed up.
Really miserable here too. 5c and raining non-stop all day.
Good to hear that it's common and ok if gone when hot but still doesn't make us happy with our engines.
Feel like stripping it and replacing the whole top end with new cams and tappets.
Mine is a msytery, mind of its own. More rattle today than yesterday!! It's mad.
Next I want to check the manifold and shields around it.
Read many articles that if a rattle lasts for more than a few seconds it is quite often the manifold leaking or a heat shield.(I'd be lucky if it is but does sound like it's coming from the top end)
The top heat shield on the exhaust manifold is missing a bolt, 1 of 4. I have ordered a new pack.
So while I am there I will take it off and inspect everything underneath. At least eliminate something obvious.
Read many articles that if a rattle lasts for more than a few seconds it is quite often the manifold leaking or a heat shield.(I'd be lucky if it is but does sound like it's coming from the top end)
The top heat shield on the exhaust manifold is missing a bolt, 1 of 4. I have ordered a new pack.
So while I am there I will take it off and inspect everything underneath. At least eliminate something obvious.
FYI
Service History:
Oct 2005
Jan 2006 - 8399 miles
Apr 2007 - 11296
Apr 2008 - unknown
Apr 2010 - 19146
Feb 2011 - 21675
Aug 2012 - 25305
Sep 2013 - 28117 (flush and full synthetic)
My services:
Nov 2015 - 31900 (5w40 synthetic Triple QX with Bosch filter)
Dec 2015 - 32000 (Forte flush and 0w30 Total Quartx with Purflux filter
Service History:
Oct 2005
Jan 2006 - 8399 miles
Apr 2007 - 11296
Apr 2008 - unknown
Apr 2010 - 19146
Feb 2011 - 21675
Aug 2012 - 25305
Sep 2013 - 28117 (flush and full synthetic)
My services:
Nov 2015 - 31900 (5w40 synthetic Triple QX with Bosch filter)
Dec 2015 - 32000 (Forte flush and 0w30 Total Quartx with Purflux filter
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: Brit33
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Interesting that GM engineers told us in 2004 that one of the reasons they use the small oil filter on their V8's was quicker oil pressure rise.
that would have caused back pressure (not much use to an engines bearings) but what we want is good flow
Beg your pardon. No significant back pressure, that's what the bypass valve opens for. Unless you can fill that big filter you're going to wait longer for full pressure to oil the top end in most engine designs...
The bypass valve needs over 15 psi to open though
Originally Posted By: Brit33
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Interesting that GM engineers told us in 2004 that one of the reasons they use the small oil filter on their V8's was quicker oil pressure rise.
that would have caused back pressure (not much use to an engines bearings) but what we want is good flow
Beg your pardon. No significant back pressure, that's what the bypass valve opens for. Unless you can fill that big filter you're going to wait longer for full pressure to oil the top end in most engine designs...
The bypass valve needs over 15 psi to open though
Originally Posted By: umbee
hi brit 33,we purchased the 307 in april 2015,83000 miles.the top end noise was already present[maybe private seller had started up earlier in day to reduce sound?].
the noise when starting up from cold lasted for approx 2-3 miles!,until the oil temp was up to normal on the dashboard gauge.i changed the oil to unipart pro s 400 and the noise was only present on cold start up for a few seconds.
the car done approx 3500 miles no problem on that oil,until i saw the triple qx on offer at carparts4less,so i thought another oil change will do no harm,but changing the oil to triple qx the car has returned to old ways!
my local garage say they have heard quite a few peugeots sound top end ticking/rattle?,and not to worry as long as it goes away when the engine is fully hot.
raining at the moment so dont fancy getting wet doing oil change!
at the moment i have not considered a lifter/tappet change,as the noise is annoying but only slight and totally disappears when the engine is warmed up.
Have you ever considered using a Moly product?
Moly friction reducer
Haven't seen any bad reviews yet.
hi brit 33,we purchased the 307 in april 2015,83000 miles.the top end noise was already present[maybe private seller had started up earlier in day to reduce sound?].
the noise when starting up from cold lasted for approx 2-3 miles!,until the oil temp was up to normal on the dashboard gauge.i changed the oil to unipart pro s 400 and the noise was only present on cold start up for a few seconds.
the car done approx 3500 miles no problem on that oil,until i saw the triple qx on offer at carparts4less,so i thought another oil change will do no harm,but changing the oil to triple qx the car has returned to old ways!
my local garage say they have heard quite a few peugeots sound top end ticking/rattle?,and not to worry as long as it goes away when the engine is fully hot.
raining at the moment so dont fancy getting wet doing oil change!
at the moment i have not considered a lifter/tappet change,as the noise is annoying but only slight and totally disappears when the engine is warmed up.
Have you ever considered using a Moly product?
Moly friction reducer
Haven't seen any bad reviews yet.
Originally Posted By: umbee
good to hear you motor sounds slightly better brit 33. slow steady improvment is going the right way.
i still think with only 32000 miles your car is oil type related,maybe poor cold circulation/varnish etc.rather than metal wear,cam,lifters etc.
today i only had time to have a quick look at my wifes 307,so i removed the oil filter on the cold engine and started up for a couple of minutes. the noise was no different,however i have ordered a new purflux 1109ck,its looks to have a bigger filter area.
tommorrow i hope to drain triple x oil and refill with the bp 0w40,to see if any improvement.
like removing the filter i dont i have anything to lose,as its only an old 5 litre i had tuck away.
Can you share an audio file with me (maybe on youtube or somewhere) so I cna compare with mine?
I am making a file right now.
good to hear you motor sounds slightly better brit 33. slow steady improvment is going the right way.
i still think with only 32000 miles your car is oil type related,maybe poor cold circulation/varnish etc.rather than metal wear,cam,lifters etc.
today i only had time to have a quick look at my wifes 307,so i removed the oil filter on the cold engine and started up for a couple of minutes. the noise was no different,however i have ordered a new purflux 1109ck,its looks to have a bigger filter area.
tommorrow i hope to drain triple x oil and refill with the bp 0w40,to see if any improvement.
like removing the filter i dont i have anything to lose,as its only an old 5 litre i had tuck away.
Can you share an audio file with me (maybe on youtube or somewhere) so I cna compare with mine?
I am making a file right now.
Let me know your thoughts.
This is after about 4 mins of driving. Still pretty cold. Water not even up to temp.
Outside with the bonnet closed.
audio file of engine running
This is after about 4 mins of driving. Still pretty cold. Water not even up to temp.
Outside with the bonnet closed.
audio file of engine running
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