0w30 Quartz better for noisy tappets?

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Good point!
Maybe trying another brand? Like Purflux...these engine are designed for Purflux filters, errr Purflux filters are specifically developed for these engines, lol.

If you want to try Purflux and having a hard time finding them, PM me
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Originally Posted By: Popsy
Good point!
Maybe trying another brand? Like Purflux...these engine are designed for Purflux filters, errr Purflux filters are specifically developed for these engines, lol.

If you want to try Purflux and having a hard time finding them, PM me
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Thanks I didn't know about this brand.
I will try one. Interestingly I see it has a zig zag design which I assume increases the surface area significantly. Maybe more oil will pass through it when cold and thick.

I did get the impression that the Bosch and Mann designs look too small.

Is this the one? 1109CK
1109CK oil filter
 
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I thought L398A was the right Purflux ref, but without the serial number I can't tell. It's also possible ref are different in UK, don't know.

I thought the filter was a spin on cartridge, but with this design I'm not sure it will change anything. "Chevron" design is Purflux patented and used on most of their oil filters...they are said to be good quality, and I use them or MANN (made in Germany only). I now stay away from Mahle...they rusted in my drawer
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Can you remove the vave cover and push gently on the lifters with a screwdriver or something? If they are mushy...maybe you can put them out and clean them.
 
Originally Posted By: Popsy
I thought L398A was the right Purflux ref, but without the serial number I can't tell. It's also possible ref are different in UK, don't know.

I thought the filter was a spin on cartridge, but with this design I'm not sure it will change anything. "Chevron" design is Purflux patented and used on most of their oil filters...they are said to be good quality, and I use them or MANN (made in Germany only). I now stay away from Mahle...they rusted in my drawer
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Can you remove the vave cover and push gently on the lifters with a screwdriver or something? If they are mushy...maybe you can put them out and clean them.


Think it is the same:

Referenznummer(n) OEM: 1 457 429 249 * BOSCH, OX 339/2D * KNECHT, L398A * PURFLUX, OX 339/2D * MAHLE

Referenznummer(n) OE: 1109CK * CITROEN/PEUGEOT, 1109AJ * CITROEN/PEUGEOT, 9467645080 * CITROEN/PEUGEOT, 1109Z1, 1109Z2, 1109X3, 1109X4, 1109AH

I think I may be able to remove the covers to inspect the tappets but doubt very much you can tell if they are not working properly. I may be able to see if any lobes are damaged though or even if the flat srufaces of each tappet look damaged. I believe it has a gasket whereas the lower half uses gasket sealant, the black stuff.
 
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still not put in bp visco 0w40 oil yet,lack of time due to dark early!
speaking to ex mechanic saturday, he told me that the oil filter is bypassed by a spring valve,un til the engine oil pressure/temp is up,to enable faster circulation to top end when cold?.
my wifes peugeot has the flutted paper type filter fitted.
brits 33 new oil at 0w30,is very thin and still noisey on start up is a disapointing result.
if we have freezing conditions,i think the matter will be worse.
brits 33 car seems too low a mileage and good history to have lifter stick/wear/camlobe wear.
hopefully peugeot dealer can investigate with the engine cold and suggest a solution.
 
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still not put in bp visco 0w40 oil yet,lack of time due to dark early!
speaking to ex mechanic saturday, he told me that the oil filter is bypassed by a spring valve,un til the engine oil pressure/temp is up,to enable faster circulation to top end when cold?.
my wifes peugeot has the flutted paper type filter fitted.
brits 33 new oil at 0w30,is very thin and still noisey on start up is a disapointing result.
if we have freezing conditions,i think the matter will be worse.
brits 33 car seems too low a mileage and good history to have lifter stick/wear/camlobe wear.
hopefully peugeot dealer can investigate with the engine cold and suggest a solution.


The peugeot dealer want to charge 96 pounds just to check/investigate the issue!!
I believe Peugeot in IE do this for free.

0w30 is quite a bit thicker than the 5w30 when hot not sure what it is at 5 degrees though. Actually closer to a 40 weight at 100.
 
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had a thought today,might be a bit stupid?
what if the oil filter was removed and the housing replaced with the seal,then the engine started and ran idling for a short while when cold.[yep i know mad thinking!].
if any improvement was heard,then maybe these engines have a lazy/faulty oilfilter bypass valve or a restrictive oil filter.
maybe a cheap fix could be a full flow purflex oil filter?
 
Originally Posted By: umbee
had a thought today,might be a bit stupid?
what if the oil filter was removed and the housing replaced with the seal,then the engine started and ran idling for a short while when cold.[yep i know mad thinking!].
if any improvement was heard,then maybe these engines have a lazy/faulty oilfilter bypass valve or a restrictive oil filter.
maybe a cheap fix could be a full flow purflex oil filter?


I wouldn't like to do that. Just takes one bit to clog a passage. Unlikely on a clean engine but still.

Peugeot apparently don't want to deal with my warranty company!!
My local garage seem reluctant to mess with the tappets!!
I will take it round to my mechanics again as there is a slight rumbling from the timing belt after he changed it. Thinking the pulley is too tight.

I'll get him to listen again to the can of nails on start up.
 
Originally Posted By: umbee
had a thought today,might be a bit stupid?
what if the oil filter was removed and the housing replaced with the seal,then the engine started and ran idling for a short while when cold.[yep i know mad thinking!].
if any improvement was heard,then maybe these engines have a lazy/faulty oilfilter bypass valve or a restrictive oil filter.
maybe a cheap fix could be a full flow purflex oil filter?


Swapped cars with my wife so I can test the 307 throughout the next few days on my own.
I noticed this morning that it started up quiet but then after about 30 seconds it started becoming a little chattery!!

Could this possibly be due to the bypass opening first so pressure is high and then it diverts it to the filter and the filter is starving the tappets of oil after the 30 seconds??
 
I'm not sure a different filter will help that much, the bypass valve should open if too much pressure...I can't figure it out...why is it noisy after a few seconds and not on startup? Are you sure the tappets are noisy? What does the camshaft look like?
I had a look at the manual, now I can appreciate how easy it is to work on my Barchetta!


A collegue of mine has a 206CC with the same 1,6 16v, probably vey neglected, but it is not chattery at all on startup. Most of my collegues have diesel cars, so I don't have many opportunities to hear the PSA 1,6 16v on startup. The previous 8v was awful but the 16v is considered to be a good engine here, better than the Renault equivalent
 
Originally Posted By: Popsy
I'm not sure a different filter will help that much, the bypass valve should open if too much pressure...I can't figure it out...why is it noisy after a few seconds and not on startup? Are you sure the tappets are noisy? What does the camshaft look like?
I had a look at the manual, now I can appreciate how easy it is to work on my Barchetta!


A collegue of mine has a 206CC with the same 1,6 16v, probably vey neglected, but it is not chattery at all on startup. Most of my collegues have diesel cars, so I don't have many opportunities to hear the PSA 1,6 16v on startup. The previous 8v was awful but the 16v is considered to be a good engine here, better than the Renault equivalent


Cams are pretty easy to check. Maybe a possiblility to do over christmas. In the manual it says the composite gaskets on the rocker covers are reusable.

You see the recommended oil filter is very different to the others. Curious why they choose that one.

Can't think of the noise coming from anywhere else. It doesn't have VVT or a dephaser. If it was a bearing, small end or something then that would be worse when hot.

As mentioned before maybe it is just a bit varnished up from the previous neglected OCI.
 
hope to get outside saturday morning to firstly start up the peugeot with oil filter removed[only let idle for a short time]dont think there will be any improvement,but worth a go.
secondly replace the triple qx oil with the bp visco 7000 0w40 oil and refit filter!.
the oil is unused but old and has only been sitting in my shed,so trying these things is free anyhow.
neglected oci on brits 33 car,should not be bad,as the service time is 20000 miles or 2 years i think on these peugeots.
 
just another quick thought.
do you think that the oil strainer mesh[in oil sump pan on pick up pipe] could be partially blocked?
if so then on brits 33 car, the noise is quiet on first start up[oil already in lifters] but after a few seconds because the oil is struggling to leave the sump,the lifters tick due to lack of oil?.
 
Originally Posted By: umbee
just another quick thought.
do you think that the oil strainer mesh[in oil sump pan on pick up pipe] could be partially blocked?
if so then on brits 33 car, the noise is quiet on first start up[oil already in lifters] but after a few seconds because the oil is struggling to leave the sump,the lifters tick due to lack of oil?.


Did cross my mind but the possibility is very small. Had its service history so oil changed on time except the final one just creeped over 24 months but it had only done about 3000 miles. Also the Low OP light never comes on.
Would need some severe sludge or debris to block a pump pick up wouldn't it?


The sump is sealed on with gasket sealant no? Nothing easy.


Good luck with yours. Let me know the outome.

Been googling a lot of peugeot tuning sites. Appears that the 1.6 16v TU5JP4 engine is used a lot to modify and get up to 300 BHP out of them, mechanical tappet conversions etc etc.
Can't be that bad of an engine.
 
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Originally Posted By: Brit33
You see the recommended oil filter is very different to the others. Curious why they choose that one.

Oh, Purflux is THE French filter brand and has been for as long as I can remember. They are OEM for the three big French automakers (well, two in fact). Renault doesn't even bother to rebadge and specify a Purflux ref in the manual of the Clio for example.

Plus their "chevron" design seems fine and they are good quality (when made in France, one of the few good made in France things with Facom tools maybe) so why looking elsewhere?
That is to say, on their spin-on cartridge they use a rubber gasket which tend to stick on the Smart, with the heat of the block, always hard to remove.

Back on topic, if you can access to the sump easily (no exhaust pipe blocking...), you can use Loctite 5910 gasket, it is easy to refit after a good cleaning (albeit not cheap). But with such a low mileage I'm not sure it is worth it.

Maybe you can try an oil pressure manometer? Connect it in place of the low oil pressure sensor, start the engine and see what happen? You may borrow one at a garage if they are nice
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Oil pressure gauge might be a good idea. Fitted those in my old alfa I had some years ago. Tricky bit is finding a hole to feed the wires through into the dash. My alfa had hole everywhere so was easy.

I think (don't want to speak too early) that the engine is getting a bit quieter. Was about 6 degrees this morning and wasn't so noisy. Maybe the better quality oil is working on the tappets.

Anyway I do have a couple of Purflux filters in the post.
I'll fit one this weekend.

Mind you I have been looking at all the TU5JP4 engine goodies you can buy. Would be a great project to buy a used engine and totally rebuild it with upgraded parts! Just missing a garage to do that in.
 
Is there any difference between the 1109CK and L398A?

I have received the L398A and have a 1109CK coming in the post. Both Purflux and cross refs are the same so I wonder where the difference is.
 
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