0W-20 Dino....does it exist?

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Just curious; does any oil company make such?

Secondly, does anyone know why Honda OEM and dealers use a
Syn Blend, rather than full syn? Is there something diff about Honda motors? Or perhaps its just that they use a cheaper oil?
 
Never heard of a 0W-20 conventional, but there could be one out there I guess.

Honda isn't the only one to use a synthetic blend. Factory fill on most Fords is the same Motorcraft syn blend you can buy at Walmart. I'm sure there are others too.
 
No.
There are some 0W blends but no straight dino's.

It shouldn't come as a surprise that syn' blends are cheaper than full syn's. As far as Honda USA is concerned, they offer both a syn' blend and full syn'. The syn blend is a bit cheaper although their VOA spec's are almost identical; so go figure.
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
No.
There are some 0W blends but no straight dino's.

It shouldn't come as a surprise that syn' blends are cheaper than full syn's. As far as Honda USA is concerned, they offer both a syn' blend and full syn'. The syn blend is a bit cheaper although their VOA spec's are almost identical; so go figure.

So if the add packs are identical what would be the benefit of using the full syn? Would it last a longer drain interval?
 
Originally Posted By: Clevy
So if the add packs are identical what would be the benefit of using the full syn? Would it last a longer drain interval?

That's the main benefit of synthetic.

Around 2000-2001 Mercedes had a class action lawsuit for sludge in their engines for not clearly stated in the owner manual about using synthetic only with FSS (MB oil life monitor), some ran to FSS recommended OCI up to 15-17k miles with dino. The result was sludge destroyed the engines and MB had to pay for the damage. MB mailed letter to every owner to emphasize the use of synthetic oil in engines with FSS.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: Clevy
So if the add packs are identical what would be the benefit of using the full syn? Would it last a longer drain interval?

That's the main benefit of synthetic.

Around 2000-2001 Mercedes had a class action lawsuit for sludge in their engines for not clearly stated in the owner manual about using synthetic only with FSS (MB oil life monitor), some ran to FSS recommended OCI up to 15-17k miles with dino. The result was sludge destroyed the engines and MB had to pay for the damage. MB mailed letter to every owner to emphasize the use of
synthetic oil in engines with FSS.


Wow. That must have cost Mercedes a bundle. Thanks for the info.
 
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: Clevy
So if the add packs are identical what would be the benefit of using the full syn? Would it last a longer drain interval?

That's the main benefit of synthetic.

Around 2000-2001 Mercedes had a class action lawsuit for sludge in their engines for not clearly stated in the owner manual about using synthetic only with FSS (MB oil life monitor), some ran to FSS recommended OCI up to 15-17k miles with dino. The result was sludge destroyed the engines and MB had to pay for the damage. MB mailed letter to every owner to emphasize the use of
synthetic oil in engines with FSS.


Wow. That must have cost Mercedes a bundle. Thanks for the info.

The estimate was around $100 mils.
 
0 weights are purely synthetic. That means they are made in a lab, not manufactured. Any 0 weight is definitely synthetic.
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
No.
There are some 0W blends but no straight dino's.

It shouldn't come as a surprise that syn' blends are cheaper than full syn's. As far as Honda USA is concerned, they offer both a syn' blend and full syn'. The syn blend is a bit cheaper although their VOA spec's are almost identical; so go figure.
Are the 0w blends locally available or special order?
 
Originally Posted By: tc1446
Secondly, does anyone know why Honda OEM and dealers use a Syn Blend, rather than full syn?


A Honda dealer doesn't necessarily use a synthetic blend 0W-20. Many Honda dealers, for example, have contracts with and use Valvoline. My in-law's 2011 CR-V gets serviced at their Honda dealer and it gets Valvoline 0W-20, ostensibly the same SynPower 0W-20 that you'd buy in the store.
 
Originally Posted By: Clevy

So if the add packs are identical what would be the benefit of using the full syn?


That conclusion cannot be made. VOAs do not show/detect the entire add pack.
 
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
I'm not even sure there are 5-20 'pure' dino oils .

I've got a couple of jugs of pyb 5w-20 in my basement as well as a couple of jugs of defy 5w-20. I doubt very much they have any syn content whatsoever,however if they do I consider that a "score"
 
Originally Posted By: zerosoma
0 weights are purely synthetic. That means they are made in a lab, not manufactured. Any 0 weight is definitely synthetic.


Petro Canada makes a 0w20 and it's a GRP III synthetic.
It doesn't have to be a GRP IV or V base oil.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Clevy
I've got a couple of jugs of pyb 5w-20 in my basement as well as a couple of jugs of defy 5w-20.


The Defy should be a blend.

Really? I'm going to look right now. If so that was a smart 20 bucks spent. I was saving it for summer use to thin out all the too thick oil I've got.
Thanks Garak
Edit: it most certainly is a blend. NICE! I never looked I just saw it on sale,read good things about it here and thought what the heck.
 
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Originally Posted By: Clevy
Really? I'm going to look right now. If so that was a smart 20 bucks spent.


Yep, I picked up some for the same price from NAPA on their last sale, for the old F-150. I haven't had the chance to use it yet, but I have it.
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