'02 Ford 4.2 v6, Havoline 5/20 2883mi

[Sumerduckman]

Report by Blackstone Labs for 02 Ford E-150 van, 4.2v6 w/18260 total miles on unit, 2882 miles on oil, in service 12/11/03-2/13/04. This is the latest Havoline 5w/20 version, very dark.


this report/univ av
aluminum 4/4
chro 1/1
iron 13/18
copper 4/6
lead 3/6
tin 0/1
moly 203/68
nickel 1/1
manganese 1/0
silver 0/0
titanium 0/0
potassium 0/4
boron 63/37
silcon 15/18
sodium 2/12
calsium 2521/2042
magnesium 30/180
phosphorus 738/832
zinc 829/1007
barium 0/3

Sus vis@210f 50.5 ( ouch!) Flashpoint 350f
Fuel% .3 antifreeze0.0 water 0.1%
Insolubles 0.5% TBN 4.1 Makeup oil 0qts

Blackstone comments: We found a little gas in your oil,but the viscosity was quite low, reading down near the 10w range. 0.1% of the sample was moisture, so possibly the sample was taken cold. The moisture was not coolent. The TBN was 4.1, so you still have active additive left.


This is the hardest working little engine in the business. This poor thing is pushing around an E-150 loaded with a mobile cabinet shop, sometimes up to 200 miles a day, in some of the most brutal stop and go suburban/urban traffic . This OCI was during the coldest ( 0-10 degreeF mornings)part of the year,w/ salt and sand covered roads,and multiple cold starts to move the unit during the day once on site. The sample was taken after a 60+ mile run home, so it was not cold. I believe that the truck runs on the cold side. It has a massive radiator, an oil cooler plus the cast aluminum oil pan with a capacity of 6qts. Looks like the same set up they use for the v8's and v10's. Good for the summer!
I was really looking forward to seeing this report, and I was amazed that the wear numbers are as low as they seem to be, seeing how the stuff has been beaten down to a 10w. I have the Chevron 5w/30 in this at the moment. I was out of the 5/20 on the day that I had a chance to change it. I would appreciate any comments or advice as what to use in this engine.

 

[Motorbike]

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Originally posted by Sumerduckman:

This is the hardest working little engine in the business. This poor thing is pushing around an E-150 loaded with a mobile cabinet shop, sometimes up to 200 miles a day, in some of the most brutal stop and go suburban/urban traffic . This OCI was during the coldest ( 0-10 degreeF mornings)part of the year,w/ salt and sand covered roads,and multiple cold starts to move the unit during the day once on site. The sample was taken after a 60+ mile run home, so it was not cold. I believe that the truck runs on the cold side. It has a massive radiator, an oil cooler plus the cast aluminum oil pan with a capacity of 6qts. Looks like the same set up they use for the v8's and v10's. Good for the summer!
I was really looking forward to seeing this report, and I was amazed that the wear numbers are as low as they seem to be, seeing how the stuff has been beaten down to a 10w. I have the Chevron 5w/30 in this at the moment. I was out of the 5/20 on the day that I had a chance to change it. I would appreciate any comments or advice as what to use in this engine.

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The Saab 0w-30 is my personal oil of choice for the Ford Modulars . Pricing is very good at around 4 bucks a quart and you could double your intervals easily if not more reducing down time .

Also formulated on the light end of a 30wt they have a 2 buck a quart 5w-30 PAO Blend that I might would have tried had not the results of the 0w-30 been so good for 7 dollars more per year for me .

Anyway , just my suggestions FWIW

 

[G-MAN]

Sometimes I can't help but wonder about Blackstone's comments on some of these UOAs. This oil is NOT "down near the 10w range"—not even close. The SAE J300 specs for a 20wt are between 5.6 and 9.3 cSt @ 100C. This oil is right in the middle at 7.4 and I'd be willing to bet that's just about where it started, i.e., right in the middle of the allowable 20wt range.

FYI, the min vis for a 10w at 100C is 4.1 cSt.

 

[Terry]

G-ManII good reason to let me "read" these things and let the lab guys run the machines to test the oil.

TD

 

[G-MAN]

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Originally posted by Terry:
G-ManII good reason to let me "read" these things and let the lab guys run the machines to test the oil.

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I agree 100%. The next UOA you'll be reading for me will be my Chrysler again, but this time running Pennzoil 5w20 for 3000 miles. I'm really expecting that this UOA is going to be an eye-opening for a lot of folks on here.

 

[Terry]

Thanks for the opportunity to see one of the cleanest low wearing engines to date.

5w-20 pennzoil oh my, aren't you worried about destroying the engine?

 

[Sumerduckman]

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Originally posted by G-Man II:
Sometimes I can't help but wonder about Blackstone's comments on some of these UOAs. This oil is NOT "down near the 10w range"—not even close. The SAE J300 specs for a 20wt are between 5.6 and 9.3 cSt @ 100C. This oil is right in the middle at 7.4 and I'd be willing to bet that's just about where it started, i.e., right in the middle of the allowable 20wt range.

FYI, the min vis for a 10w at 100C is 4.1 cSt.

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G-Man II, Thanks for the info! In the report it lists 53-62 as what the values should be, and tested values as 50.5. If the viscosity acually held up fine, and it is not a 10w, I assume it would be a good thing to keep using the Havoline 5/20? I would like to get as many trouble free miles as possible out of this.

 

[MNgopher]

Havoline starts out with a vis of 8.0, so 7.5 or so is slightly less than new, but not a big deal. I'm still shaking my head at what blackstone considers "normal" viscosity.

All in all, it looks fine.

 

[Bror Jace]

Judging from your use of this vehicle, this oil appears to be doing a super job.

The viscosity loss looks like it is becoming pretty normal with the SL "conventional" oils, even after short runs of 2,000 miles.

Wear was low, that's what counts the most and a lead of 3 in a heavily worked engine is fantastic. This thin oil isn't hurting anything.

I'd love to see this pushed out to 3,500 miles or perhaps even 4,000.

-- Bror Jace

 

[Sumerduckman]

Great. If the consensus from the smart folks is that this stuff is doing the job,as opposed to the lab report, then I will put it back in and run it out to 4000 and test ,then
5000 and test. Seeing how hard this thing is used, it will make a great FoMoCo oil test vehicle. After a couple or three cycles with the 5/20 Havoline ,to get some meaningful numbers, I will run a 5/30 syn blend, then the 10/30 Chevron/Havoline dino to see what if any difference there would be. Maybe a full syn 0 or 5/20 wt next winter. Since I already keep detailed gas records I could cross check to see if the different oils had any effect on overall mileage. What the hey, it'll be fun and help provide a useful distraction until after next November.

 

[darrenc]

Sounds good! It would be interesting if you put some “higher-end” syn oils in there and extended, to see if you could see some time and labor savings. As we all know now, FMC didn’t change their engine specs to meet their reformulated oils. This said, I’m curious to see how the 5w-30 oils compare. Since the motor derives its roots from a European motor, I can’t help but to wonder what it would run like on an xw-40 oil. At your OCI, you’re not going to compromise the motor by this experimentation. Have fun!!!

[ March 06, 2004, 03:08 AM: Message edited by: darrenc ]

 

[garyb80]

Here are two UOA's for the same type of vehicle/engine for comparison. http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=001172#000000
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=001310#000000

So far, it appears that this engine does very well on light viscosity oils compared to heavier oils. Some here say that a lighter viscosity will increase bearing wear, but I'm not convinced that is the case unless your pulling a trailer or something. I believe that most of the wear from bearings occurs at start up under normal conditions. A lighter oil like this may minimize start up wear. (just my opinion)