I would love to use it if they would put a better add pack in it. Castrol's add pack is kinda weak now as well. I'll be going back to Pennzoil conventional when my stash of castrol is used up sometime this year.
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
If NextGen is so great, then why doesn't Valvoline make it out of 100% used oil? Why 50% used oil and 50% new oil?
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Why is NextGen only made from 50% recycled oil instead of 100% recycled oil?
"Just like crude oil refining, re-refining of used oil creates base oils of different quality levels. And we select only those recycled base oils that meet our exacting quality standards. At this time, there is only enough of the highest-quality recycled base oils to make a 50% blend. We are continually working with oil re-refiners to generate more of the top-quality base oil, and we certainly hope to move the percentage of recycled base oils higher in the future."
Source: http://nextgen.valvoline.com/nextgen_faq.html
If NextGen is so great, then why doesn't Valvoline make it out of 100% used oil? Why 50% used oil and 50% new oil?
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Why is NextGen only made from 50% recycled oil instead of 100% recycled oil?
"Just like crude oil refining, re-refining of used oil creates base oils of different quality levels. And we select only those recycled base oils that meet our exacting quality standards. At this time, there is only enough of the highest-quality recycled base oils to make a 50% blend. We are continually working with oil re-refiners to generate more of the top-quality base oil, and we certainly hope to move the percentage of recycled base oils higher in the future."
Source: http://nextgen.valvoline.com/nextgen_faq.html
I see, it seems the process isn't perfected yet for re-refining the oils and retaining good basestock quality? Hey, at least they are pioneering the thing! Probably in another 5-10 years, if it stays on, it'll have improved a bit I'd imagine.
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Now I'll say it again, if another mfg makes a recycled product at least as good as "new oil", and offers it for less, I'm in!
And I'LL ask it again: why does it need to be sold for less? I can understand not paying more for it, but why does it need to be cheaper?
Now I'll say it again, if another mfg makes a recycled product at least as good as "new oil", and offers it for less, I'm in!
And I'LL ask it again: why does it need to be sold for less? I can understand not paying more for it, but why does it need to be cheaper?
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
If NextGen is so great, then why doesn't Valvoline make it out of 100% used oil? Why 50% used oil and 50% new oil?
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Why is NextGen only made from 50% recycled oil instead of 100% recycled oil?
"Just like crude oil refining, re-refining of used oil creates base oils of different quality levels. And we select only those recycled base oils that meet our exacting quality standards. At this time, there is only enough of the highest-quality recycled base oils to make a 50% blend. We are continually working with oil re-refiners to generate more of the top-quality base oil, and we certainly hope to move the percentage of recycled base oils higher in the future."
Source: http://nextgen.valvoline.com/nextgen_faq.html
HEY! Don't start bringing actual facts into this thread full of uninformed opinions!
Man, what a buzzkill!
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
If NextGen is so great, then why doesn't Valvoline make it out of 100% used oil? Why 50% used oil and 50% new oil?
Quote:
Why is NextGen only made from 50% recycled oil instead of 100% recycled oil?
"Just like crude oil refining, re-refining of used oil creates base oils of different quality levels. And we select only those recycled base oils that meet our exacting quality standards. At this time, there is only enough of the highest-quality recycled base oils to make a 50% blend. We are continually working with oil re-refiners to generate more of the top-quality base oil, and we certainly hope to move the percentage of recycled base oils higher in the future."
Source: http://nextgen.valvoline.com/nextgen_faq.html
HEY! Don't start bringing actual facts into this thread full of uninformed opinions!
Man, what a buzzkill!
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Now I'll say it again, if another mfg makes a recycled product at least as good as "new oil", and offers it for less, I'm in!
And I'LL ask it again: why does it need to be sold for less? I can understand not paying more for it, but why does it need to be cheaper?
Because on Valvoline's web site, they say it takes less energy to produce, so the production cost should be less. Then why not pass the savings on to consumers?
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Now I'll say it again, if another mfg makes a recycled product at least as good as "new oil", and offers it for less, I'm in!
And I'LL ask it again: why does it need to be sold for less? I can understand not paying more for it, but why does it need to be cheaper?
Because on Valvoline's web site, they say it takes less energy to produce, so the production cost should be less. Then why not pass the savings on to consumers?
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Do any of the "it must be cheaper" crowd expect products made from recycled aluminum or steel to be acceptable only if they are better and cheaper.
This product is not re-used oil, it is reprocessed.
This product is not re-used oil, it is reprocessed.
I wonder as this could be th start of how we deal with the cost of rising oil prices in the future. This could make the oil countires mad at us for the short term.
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Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Because on Valvoline's web site, they say it takes less energy to produce, so the production cost should be less. Then why not pass the savings on to consumers?
I read somewhere that while production costs of making NextGen is lower, it costs more to acquire the recycled oil in the first place, negating the difference.
Because on Valvoline's web site, they say it takes less energy to produce, so the production cost should be less. Then why not pass the savings on to consumers?
I read somewhere that while production costs of making NextGen is lower, it costs more to acquire the recycled oil in the first place, negating the difference.
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Do any of the "it must be cheaper" crowd expect products made from recycled aluminum or steel to be acceptable only if they are better and cheaper.
This product is not re-used oil, it is reprocessed.
Recycling of aluminum and steel has been commonplace for generations, and the economics of recycling are already integrated into the the selling price. The last time I took my scrap metal to the recycling yard, they paid me for it. What do you think would be the result if I took my used oil to AutoZone, and asked them to pay me for it?
Do any of the "it must be cheaper" crowd expect products made from recycled aluminum or steel to be acceptable only if they are better and cheaper.
This product is not re-used oil, it is reprocessed.
Recycling of aluminum and steel has been commonplace for generations, and the economics of recycling are already integrated into the the selling price. The last time I took my scrap metal to the recycling yard, they paid me for it. What do you think would be the result if I took my used oil to AutoZone, and asked them to pay me for it?
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
I read somewhere that while production costs of making NextGen is lower, it costs more to acquire the recycled oil in the first place, negating the difference.
I don't buy that .
I read somewhere that while production costs of making NextGen is lower, it costs more to acquire the recycled oil in the first place, negating the difference.
I don't buy that .
If you have enough used oil, there are companies that will buy it from you. Used oil has a market value. Most of us don't produce enough at any one time to make the exchange profitable. Do you think that if you had 4-12 quarts of crude oil that you could find someone to buy it?
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Originally Posted By: 91344George
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
I read somewhere that while production costs of making NextGen is lower, it costs more to acquire the recycled oil in the first place, negating the difference.
I don't buy that.
Of course not. It's all a conspiracy, right?
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
I read somewhere that while production costs of making NextGen is lower, it costs more to acquire the recycled oil in the first place, negating the difference.
I don't buy that.
Of course not. It's all a conspiracy, right?
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Originally Posted By: GMorg
Why is it that crude can set under bedrock, in shale, or be stuck to surface sand for thousands of years and once it is processed it is new? At the same time, if it is processed from a highly refined, fully formulated blend that has resided in an engine for a few months before it is processed, then it is old? As a general rule, I think that recycled, reprocessed oil will actually be a better basestock than it was at the first pass.
Psychological disorders(or 'needs').
NexGen Derangement Sydrome (NDS) an affliction that causes otherwise rational people to made ludicrous demands of an oil company like 50% discounts. NDS sufferers also have a strange belief that there exists such a thing as "new" oil. They may also believe water from the Poland Spring and sand from the beach is new.
NDS sufferers also have an irrational hatred of all things green, though many spend much time and money on their lawns.
Originally Posted By: GMorg
Why is it that crude can set under bedrock, in shale, or be stuck to surface sand for thousands of years and once it is processed it is new? At the same time, if it is processed from a highly refined, fully formulated blend that has resided in an engine for a few months before it is processed, then it is old? As a general rule, I think that recycled, reprocessed oil will actually be a better basestock than it was at the first pass.
Psychological disorders(or 'needs').
NexGen Derangement Sydrome (NDS) an affliction that causes otherwise rational people to made ludicrous demands of an oil company like 50% discounts. NDS sufferers also have a strange belief that there exists such a thing as "new" oil. They may also believe water from the Poland Spring and sand from the beach is new.
NDS sufferers also have an irrational hatred of all things green, though many spend much time and money on their lawns.
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Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Overpriced and weak --> Weak TBN, weak add pack.
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http://www.pqiamerica.com/ValvolineNextGen.htm
What if there are organic adds that those tests can't see?
The only one that suprises me is the volatilty. Id had thought it may be less volatile. But the refining of it may really produce mainly "heavies" that get cut with the 50% new oil that is blended in, which is generally lighter (my guess).
Overpriced and weak --> Weak TBN, weak add pack.
VOA:
http://www.pqiamerica.com/ValvolineNextGen.htm
What if there are organic adds that those tests can't see?
The only one that suprises me is the volatilty. Id had thought it may be less volatile. But the refining of it may really produce mainly "heavies" that get cut with the 50% new oil that is blended in, which is generally lighter (my guess).
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Originally Posted By: mcshooter
how would you know that the oil is from just engine oil? our recycling center mixed engine oil, transmission oil, gear oil. the only thing i would like to recycle is my daughter in law..
because it is distilled into the same boiling range sets that all those products were before. Where you pull product from in a distillation determines its chemical properties.
how would you know that the oil is from just engine oil? our recycling center mixed engine oil, transmission oil, gear oil. the only thing i would like to recycle is my daughter in law..
because it is distilled into the same boiling range sets that all those products were before. Where you pull product from in a distillation determines its chemical properties.
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how would you know that the oil is from just engine oil? our recycling center mixed engine oil, transmission oil, gear oil. the only thing i would like to recycle is my daughter in law..
So, what's in crude oil? Oh yeah, all the stuff that is used to make ATF, gear oil, hydraulic oil in the first place! Not to mention all the nasty sludgy gunk you would never put in your engine. But it all gets refined and cleaned out and turned into a suitable motor oil...just like recycled oil.
how would you know that the oil is from just engine oil? our recycling center mixed engine oil, transmission oil, gear oil. the only thing i would like to recycle is my daughter in law..
So, what's in crude oil? Oh yeah, all the stuff that is used to make ATF, gear oil, hydraulic oil in the first place! Not to mention all the nasty sludgy gunk you would never put in your engine. But it all gets refined and cleaned out and turned into a suitable motor oil...just like recycled oil.
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Now I'll say it again, if another mfg makes a recycled product at least as good as "new oil", and offers it for less, I'm in!
And I'LL ask it again: why does it need to be sold for less? I can understand not paying more for it, but why does it need to be cheaper?
Why should I pay more? Especially for a product that doesn't stack up, and someone already paid for that oil the first time around. It's recycled, Valvoline isn't paying for 50% of the crude, maybe just some transport costs, and takes less refining, so its cheaper on both counts. Once again I did my part in the recycle process by bringing it back to AAP. Make the product better than what I'm using we'll talk.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Now I'll say it again, if another mfg makes a recycled product at least as good as "new oil", and offers it for less, I'm in!
And I'LL ask it again: why does it need to be sold for less? I can understand not paying more for it, but why does it need to be cheaper?
Why should I pay more? Especially for a product that doesn't stack up, and someone already paid for that oil the first time around. It's recycled, Valvoline isn't paying for 50% of the crude, maybe just some transport costs, and takes less refining, so its cheaper on both counts. Once again I did my part in the recycle process by bringing it back to AAP. Make the product better than what I'm using we'll talk.
Nexgen is a good product, but not outstanding, the big problem is the pricing...it should be lower, notably lower than regular valvoline.
I'll bite when the price is 1.75/qt.
I'll bite when the price is 1.75/qt.
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