Your thoughts on Valvoline NEXGEN
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Originally Posted By: 91344George
the big problem is the pricing...it should be lower, notably lower than regular valvoline.
Yet again... WHY?
the big problem is the pricing...it should be lower, notably lower than regular valvoline.
Yet again... WHY?
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
Originally Posted By: 91344George
the big problem is the pricing...it should be lower, notably lower than regular valvoline.
Yet again... WHY?
Do you use it? Do you feel its worth more? If so great, more power to ya! Some of us feel there's no value in it, I'm one of them. Make it a kick butt product, and I'm in. As it stands now, no thanks.
Originally Posted By: 91344George
the big problem is the pricing...it should be lower, notably lower than regular valvoline.
Yet again... WHY?
Do you use it? Do you feel its worth more? If so great, more power to ya! Some of us feel there's no value in it, I'm one of them. Make it a kick butt product, and I'm in. As it stands now, no thanks.
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I agree that it should not cost more since the end product is essentially the same as Valvoline's WB (and it seems like we can all agree on that), but I still haven't heard any logical reasons why you guys think it should cost less!
If Valvoline made NextGen much cheaper than the regular white bottle, people will regard it as inferior compared to white bottle. Valvoline is trying to market it as equivalent in performance to white bottle with an environmental benefit, hence no price break.
Here's a kicker, Nextgen is currently on sale, 5qts and filter and a free recycling container AND a $20 MIR American Express Card. Use it where ever AMEX is accepted. Now that is almost free.
As to the pricing issue, crude is only a small part of the cost of the end product. The re-refining does consume 50% less energy but the add pack is still needed, the collection process is expensive (dealing with HAZMAT materials here). 50 cents less per quart would be more like a reasonable saving IMHO.
As to the pricing issue, crude is only a small part of the cost of the end product. The re-refining does consume 50% less energy but the add pack is still needed, the collection process is expensive (dealing with HAZMAT materials here). 50 cents less per quart would be more like a reasonable saving IMHO.
Originally Posted By: partspro
Here's a kicker, Nextgen is currently on sale, 5qts and filter and a free recycling container AND a $20 MIR American Express Card. Use it where ever AMEX is accepted. Now that is almost free.
As to the pricing issue, crude is only a small part of the cost of the end product. The re-refining does consume 50% less energy but the add pack is still needed, the collection process is expensive (dealing with HAZMAT materials here). 50 cents less per quart would be more like a reasonable saving IMHO.
I honestly think it would be a good 5K OCI oil-and since it's FREE-what's not to like??
Here's a kicker, Nextgen is currently on sale, 5qts and filter and a free recycling container AND a $20 MIR American Express Card. Use it where ever AMEX is accepted. Now that is almost free.
As to the pricing issue, crude is only a small part of the cost of the end product. The re-refining does consume 50% less energy but the add pack is still needed, the collection process is expensive (dealing with HAZMAT materials here). 50 cents less per quart would be more like a reasonable saving IMHO.
I honestly think it would be a good 5K OCI oil-and since it's FREE-what's not to like??
Originally Posted By: exranger06
Valvoline is trying to market it as equivalent in performance to white bottle with an environmental benefit, hence no price break.
If it's equivalent to the white bottle; and it's the same price as the white
bottle; why not just buy the white bottle? The white bottle is NEW oil.
Valvoline is trying to market it as equivalent in performance to white bottle with an environmental benefit, hence no price break.
If it's equivalent to the white bottle; and it's the same price as the white
bottle; why not just buy the white bottle? The white bottle is NEW oil.
It is only considered Hazmat in 3 states. Here's a link to an API Faqs page. Check #7.
API Faqs on recycling oil
API Faqs on recycling oil
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
If it's equivalent to the white bottle; and it's the same price as the white bottle; why not just buy the white bottle? The white bottle is NEW oil.
Riiiiight.
If it's equivalent to the white bottle; and it's the same price as the white bottle; why not just buy the white bottle? The white bottle is NEW oil.
Riiiiight.
Originally Posted By: partspro
Here's a kicker, Nextgen is currently on sale, 5qts and filter and a free recycling container AND a $20 MIR American Express Card. Use it where ever AMEX is accepted. Now that is almost free.
As to the pricing issue, crude is only a small part of the cost of the end product. The re-refining does consume 50% less energy but the add pack is still needed, the collection process is expensive (dealing with HAZMAT materials here). 50 cents less per quart would be more like a reasonable saving IMHO.
Kind of makes you wonder how well NextGen is being accepted in the market, since they're practically having to give it away, doesn't it? Like I wrote in a NextGen thread about a year ago when it first came out: after the introductory incentives, the price better come down, or it's done for. And now a year later, Valvoline is priming the pump again. Americans' experience with "Green" products has been that they are more expensive, don't perform as well, and can only survive in the real world by being subsidized. This is something that Valvoline has to overcome.
I do agree that the price wouldn't have to be half of Valvoline conventional or ML, but 20% cheaper is my threshold. If the price were half, I would begin to wonder if it really was inferior. As it is, I don't have any cars that I would use NextGen in. If they did a NG version of VR1, and it was ~20% cheaper than regular VR1, I would consider it for the 307 in my '72 GMC, or my riding mower.
Here's a kicker, Nextgen is currently on sale, 5qts and filter and a free recycling container AND a $20 MIR American Express Card. Use it where ever AMEX is accepted. Now that is almost free.
As to the pricing issue, crude is only a small part of the cost of the end product. The re-refining does consume 50% less energy but the add pack is still needed, the collection process is expensive (dealing with HAZMAT materials here). 50 cents less per quart would be more like a reasonable saving IMHO.
Kind of makes you wonder how well NextGen is being accepted in the market, since they're practically having to give it away, doesn't it? Like I wrote in a NextGen thread about a year ago when it first came out: after the introductory incentives, the price better come down, or it's done for. And now a year later, Valvoline is priming the pump again. Americans' experience with "Green" products has been that they are more expensive, don't perform as well, and can only survive in the real world by being subsidized. This is something that Valvoline has to overcome.
I do agree that the price wouldn't have to be half of Valvoline conventional or ML, but 20% cheaper is my threshold. If the price were half, I would begin to wonder if it really was inferior. As it is, I don't have any cars that I would use NextGen in. If they did a NG version of VR1, and it was ~20% cheaper than regular VR1, I would consider it for the 307 in my '72 GMC, or my riding mower.
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Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
I agree that it should not cost more since the end product is essentially the same as Valvoline's WB (and it seems like we can all agree on that), but I still haven't heard any logical reasons why you guys think it should cost less!
Think of all the "used water" the people who live along the Mississippi river have to drink. I thonk they deserve a big price break as well. LOL.
It should cost the same or a little higher. Its expensive to collect and there probably aren't many refineries to compete for the business's.
I agree that it should not cost more since the end product is essentially the same as Valvoline's WB (and it seems like we can all agree on that), but I still haven't heard any logical reasons why you guys think it should cost less!
Think of all the "used water" the people who live along the Mississippi river have to drink. I thonk they deserve a big price break as well. LOL.
It should cost the same or a little higher. Its expensive to collect and there probably aren't many refineries to compete for the business's.
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Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
I agree that it should not cost more since the end product is essentially the same as Valvoline's WB (and it seems like we can all agree on that), but I still haven't heard any logical reasons why you guys think it should cost less!
+1. I see no valid engineering arguments about why it is better/worse than anything else. I dont think ive even seen a statistically significant analysis of apples-to-apples comparison to provide any indication one way or antoher.
Lots of seat of the pants "analysis" by folks working off gut feel versus anything substantial.
About the only comment that would be somewhat relevant is when it is claimed that there are better oils from other manufacturers, but that is because of a BRAND LOYALTY issue, not necessarily a technical argument either.
Let's also recall - nexgen is 50% VIRGIN oil. So 50% of the oil's cost has to be identical. The other 50% might be more or less on a basestock basis, but the adds arelikely the same.
So youre talking 75% cost parity between the products just to start.
I dont see much substance to these arguments.
I agree that it should not cost more since the end product is essentially the same as Valvoline's WB (and it seems like we can all agree on that), but I still haven't heard any logical reasons why you guys think it should cost less!
+1. I see no valid engineering arguments about why it is better/worse than anything else. I dont think ive even seen a statistically significant analysis of apples-to-apples comparison to provide any indication one way or antoher.
Lots of seat of the pants "analysis" by folks working off gut feel versus anything substantial.
About the only comment that would be somewhat relevant is when it is claimed that there are better oils from other manufacturers, but that is because of a BRAND LOYALTY issue, not necessarily a technical argument either.
Let's also recall - nexgen is 50% VIRGIN oil. So 50% of the oil's cost has to be identical. The other 50% might be more or less on a basestock basis, but the adds arelikely the same.
So youre talking 75% cost parity between the products just to start.
I dont see much substance to these arguments.
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Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
I still haven't heard any logical reasons why you guys think it should cost less!
Two days later and still no one coming up with a logical answer? How interesting.
I still haven't heard any logical reasons why you guys think it should cost less!
Two days later and still no one coming up with a logical answer? How interesting.
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
I still haven't heard any logical reasons why you guys think it should cost less!
Two days later and still no one coming up with a logical answer? How interesting.
Because the way they see it, its got 50% re-refined oil in it. So that should automaticly make the price cheaper.
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
I still haven't heard any logical reasons why you guys think it should cost less!
Two days later and still no one coming up with a logical answer? How interesting.
Because the way they see it, its got 50% re-refined oil in it. So that should automaticly make the price cheaper.
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Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
I still haven't heard any logical reasons why you guys think it should cost less!
Two days later and still no one coming up with a logical answer? How interesting.
Because the resources and cost to produce recycled oil is LESS than the cost to process brand new oil including pulling out of the ground.
The thought that just because it would be cheaper than the regular white bottle valvoline is nonsense. The brand is well known for a good quality product, it would just be the
value leader. Which makes good sense.
Those mentioning the MIR ....unless you like performing like a trained ape it does NOT make the product free, it just makes it more annoying to want to buy it and save a few dollars.
Half price sale no MIR and I am interested... 1.75qt on sale
NO REBATE.
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
I still haven't heard any logical reasons why you guys think it should cost less!
Two days later and still no one coming up with a logical answer? How interesting.
Because the resources and cost to produce recycled oil is LESS than the cost to process brand new oil including pulling out of the ground.
The thought that just because it would be cheaper than the regular white bottle valvoline is nonsense. The brand is well known for a good quality product, it would just be the
value leader. Which makes good sense.
Those mentioning the MIR ....unless you like performing like a trained ape it does NOT make the product free, it just makes it more annoying to want to buy it and save a few dollars.
Half price sale no MIR and I am interested... 1.75qt on sale
NO REBATE.
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