API CJ-4 in a 2009 Dodge Cummins 6.7 towing 14,000 lbs.
I see no problems, what say yeh.
I see no problems, what say yeh.
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Your thoughts, 5,000 mile changes with ST 15-40
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Probably fine since it meets the CJ-4 spec. Except you don't know what brand of oil your getting. You get whatever oil company walmart signs with and it usually changes from time to time.
I'm sure it would be fine, you would have to have some severe use of your vehicle for almost any newer spec brand name oil not to get you 5k.
Probably work just fine, but I'd rather see you use a brand name oil like Rotella or Delo, worth the few dollars more IMO.
I see you're in cold country, have you thought about using a 5W-40?
I see you're in cold country, have you thought about using a 5W-40?
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It will perform fine, with no worries.
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Originally Posted By: hate2work
Probably work just fine, but I'd rather see you use a brand name oil like Rotella or Delo, worth the few dollars more IMO.
I see you're in cold country, have you thought about using a 5W-40?
I run 5-40 Nov - April, with oil/fuel prices on the rise again it's feed the truck or feed the family.
Probably work just fine, but I'd rather see you use a brand name oil like Rotella or Delo, worth the few dollars more IMO.
I see you're in cold country, have you thought about using a 5W-40?
I run 5-40 Nov - April, with oil/fuel prices on the rise again it's feed the truck or feed the family.
Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
Probably fine since it meets the CJ-4 spec.
That is the assumption, but not tested. If the oil blender uses a previously approved base oil from the interchange chart, and uses a previously approve additive package, yes, it will meet spec. The final oil is not tested to see if it meets spec. In any case, there are ways to cheapen the final oil so it may meet spec for fewer miles than a top quality oil.
With that much money invested in the truck and towing that heavy load, I'd use a top quality oil. Chevron/Shell/ConocoPhillips76Kendall/Mobil/Valvoline, etc., etc. won't cost that much more, and may stay good for more miles.
Probably fine since it meets the CJ-4 spec.
That is the assumption, but not tested. If the oil blender uses a previously approved base oil from the interchange chart, and uses a previously approve additive package, yes, it will meet spec. The final oil is not tested to see if it meets spec. In any case, there are ways to cheapen the final oil so it may meet spec for fewer miles than a top quality oil.
With that much money invested in the truck and towing that heavy load, I'd use a top quality oil. Chevron/Shell/ConocoPhillips76Kendall/Mobil/Valvoline, etc., etc. won't cost that much more, and may stay good for more miles.
dnewton3
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I've always stated that UOAs are more important than VOAs and PDS; I stand by that.
However, in this type discussion, VOAs can have some merit. That being said, I can tell you what I've seen regarding ST fluids. Typically, ST fluids are well within the "norm" of all other branded fluids for their market. Whether PCMO or HDEO, the VOAs show ST fluids to be decent competitors.
Of note, a few years ago TrailerLife magazine did an article on HDEOs. They paid for a lot of brand names to be tested in VOAs. The ST was just as strong as all the competitors. Now, that does not address some of the issues with the refining of the base stock, but overall, for a "normal" OCI of 5k miles, I would expect ST to do a great job, and you'd be hard pressed to differentiate it from any other brand name at 5k miles.
In fact, I'll bet that if we started listing UOA performance data, but with-held the brand name information, a whole lot of folks would not be able to tell the difference, except for a precious few. And I suspect the wear metals for all samples would be similar. (That being under the conditions of normal OCIs).
For "normal" OCIs, ST will do just fine, and perform with all the others. At extended OCIs, that may not be as true.
However, in this type discussion, VOAs can have some merit. That being said, I can tell you what I've seen regarding ST fluids. Typically, ST fluids are well within the "norm" of all other branded fluids for their market. Whether PCMO or HDEO, the VOAs show ST fluids to be decent competitors.
Of note, a few years ago TrailerLife magazine did an article on HDEOs. They paid for a lot of brand names to be tested in VOAs. The ST was just as strong as all the competitors. Now, that does not address some of the issues with the refining of the base stock, but overall, for a "normal" OCI of 5k miles, I would expect ST to do a great job, and you'd be hard pressed to differentiate it from any other brand name at 5k miles.
In fact, I'll bet that if we started listing UOA performance data, but with-held the brand name information, a whole lot of folks would not be able to tell the difference, except for a precious few. And I suspect the wear metals for all samples would be similar. (That being under the conditions of normal OCIs).
For "normal" OCIs, ST will do just fine, and perform with all the others. At extended OCIs, that may not be as true.
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Some ST is Warren Unilube (they blend for EVERYBODY), other is XOM, 5K would be easy for a Cummins.
Lets get this thing straight: WARREN PETROLEUM PRODUCTS OR WARREN PERFORMANCE PRODUCTS makes SUPER TECH OIL in the PA area, dont know about NY, WV or anywhere else. WARREN UNILUBE is NOT warren petroleum/performance products. End of story.
Originally Posted By: Silver_civic
Lets get this thing straight: WARREN PETROLEUM PRODUCTS OR WARREN PERFORMANCE PRODUCTS makes SUPER TECH OIL in the PA area, dont know about NY, WV or anywhere else. WARREN UNILUBE is NOT warren petroleum/performance products. End of story.
Correct.Warren Performance Products/Warren Distribution makes Super Tech oil for a big part of the country.XOM makes it for certain areas.Look on the bottom of the ST oil bottle and you most likely will see either a "WPP" or a "WNE",both of these are Warren Performance
products.WPP makes MAG1 and Polar brands along with private label brands like Super Tech.
Warren Oil/Warren-Unilube is not part of WPP and they are not connected in any way.Warren Oil seems to make much of the "quik stop" type store oils along with some of the grocery store brands.They also make their own brands of oil.
Warren Performance
Warren Oil
Lets get this thing straight: WARREN PETROLEUM PRODUCTS OR WARREN PERFORMANCE PRODUCTS makes SUPER TECH OIL in the PA area, dont know about NY, WV or anywhere else. WARREN UNILUBE is NOT warren petroleum/performance products. End of story.
Correct.Warren Performance Products/Warren Distribution makes Super Tech oil for a big part of the country.XOM makes it for certain areas.Look on the bottom of the ST oil bottle and you most likely will see either a "WPP" or a "WNE",both of these are Warren Performance
products.WPP makes MAG1 and Polar brands along with private label brands like Super Tech.
Warren Oil/Warren-Unilube is not part of WPP and they are not connected in any way.Warren Oil seems to make much of the "quik stop" type store oils along with some of the grocery store brands.They also make their own brands of oil.
Warren Performance
Warren Oil
I'm missing the logic here. You paid $55,000 for a truck but want to go with the absolute cheapest oil you can find? I would spend a little extra and have peace of mind knowing that I have a quality lube in my engine. Super Tech is a generic product and like the old saying goes you only get what you pay for.
dnewton3
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There is also an old addage that says a fool and his money are soon parted ...
Let's leave the rhetoric and hype at home. Show me proof that ST 15w40 won't last 5k miles; I challenge anyone to show me that. It's not used near as much by many of the oil biggots, so you won't see a lot of UOAs on it. But it's used by a LOT of "normal" folks.
Like I said before, the VOAs show it to be a very competitive product. And for typical use, there is no reason to suspect it won't perform on par with other more expensive products. It may not last 15k miles where other dinos will, but for 5k miles, you won't know the difference, and neither will the engine. But your wallet will.
Thing is, if you like to value shop, you can actually find brand name brands for less; the Delvac is around $6/gallon with rebate right now.
For normal OCIs, the "best" oil is the one you find on sale.
Let's leave the rhetoric and hype at home. Show me proof that ST 15w40 won't last 5k miles; I challenge anyone to show me that. It's not used near as much by many of the oil biggots, so you won't see a lot of UOAs on it. But it's used by a LOT of "normal" folks.
Like I said before, the VOAs show it to be a very competitive product. And for typical use, there is no reason to suspect it won't perform on par with other more expensive products. It may not last 15k miles where other dinos will, but for 5k miles, you won't know the difference, and neither will the engine. But your wallet will.
Thing is, if you like to value shop, you can actually find brand name brands for less; the Delvac is around $6/gallon with rebate right now.
For normal OCIs, the "best" oil is the one you find on sale.
Originally Posted By: Hemi426
Why not spend a few extra dollars for a good name brand product and be able to stretch your OCI 2-3 longer? You're saving money in the middle and long runs. Maybe I was just raised different.
Becasue most won't run a true extended oci.
Why not spend a few extra dollars for a good name brand product and be able to stretch your OCI 2-3 longer? You're saving money in the middle and long runs. Maybe I was just raised different.
Becasue most won't run a true extended oci.
I will say this and probably get flamed; but what the heck: My father does still run ST 10w30 and 15w40 oil in his trucks without problems and has for a LONG TIME. I believe CHRIS 142 here uses ST oil in his PETERBUILT semi also. Quit hating ST oil already. I dont think many people here on this board know that ST oil has had some very good and decent/fair UOA'S either.
stop the hate and b.s. about what "you get what you pay for" as in this day and age YOU DO NOT GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. END OF DISCUSSION.
stop the hate and b.s. about what "you get what you pay for" as in this day and age YOU DO NOT GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. END OF DISCUSSION.
dnewton3
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I do believe there is some truth to the "you get what you pay for" addage.
But it must be kept in context.
For this thread, the question was specific about the length of OCI; a VERY manageable 5k miles. ANY API qualified lube should be able to do that. I would have full faith that ST can take on this task.
There is a series of UOAs recently here on BITOG where a guy is running VPB dino oil in his ISB (without the aid of bypass filtration) and he's got successive UOA loads of 12k, 14k, 16k and 18k miles, and it looks as though 20k miles is doable. Could ST do that? Perhaps so, perhaps not.
But 5k miles is pretty much attainable by any HDEO.
Don't hate the ST; I agree. But you do get what you pay for. The question is this:
Did you over buy, or under buy, for the conditions you're going to operate in?
But it must be kept in context.
For this thread, the question was specific about the length of OCI; a VERY manageable 5k miles. ANY API qualified lube should be able to do that. I would have full faith that ST can take on this task.
There is a series of UOAs recently here on BITOG where a guy is running VPB dino oil in his ISB (without the aid of bypass filtration) and he's got successive UOA loads of 12k, 14k, 16k and 18k miles, and it looks as though 20k miles is doable. Could ST do that? Perhaps so, perhaps not.
But 5k miles is pretty much attainable by any HDEO.
Don't hate the ST; I agree. But you do get what you pay for. The question is this:
Did you over buy, or under buy, for the conditions you're going to operate in?
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The 6.7 cummins engine used in the Dodge application is a internal soot pig with all the emission equipement. I don't feel comfortable running any more miles then 5,000 no matter who's oil is in their.
Looks like the next change out will be Mobil delvac 1300 at a little over 6 bucks a gallon. Next winter looks like a 10-30 HDEO instead of the expensive 5-40.
I've read and some what researched where people are running 10-30 HDEO in summer heat pulling my weights but I'm just not comfortable or even confident doing that at this point.
Looks like the next change out will be Mobil delvac 1300 at a little over 6 bucks a gallon. Next winter looks like a 10-30 HDEO instead of the expensive 5-40.
I've read and some what researched where people are running 10-30 HDEO in summer heat pulling my weights but I'm just not comfortable or even confident doing that at this point.
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