On the next oil change, put in 4 qts of oil and 1 qt of gasoline and do an UOA after 7,500-10,000 miles and post it up along side the same run on pure oil.
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Yeah, thats a bad case, I think in newer engines they got it down to 5-6%
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Wow, so you also can’t find a single example? AmazingOn the next oil change, put in 4 qts of oil and 1 qt of gasoline and do an UOA after 7,500-10,000 miles and post it up along side the same run on pure oil.
Do it, and report back. You think 20% fuel dilution in already low viscosity oil isn't going to matter? You have comparative UOAs like my example to show it doesn't increase wear?
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20%? We just pulling numbers out of thin air now I see. Who had 20% dilution and what was the result? Did the engine eat itself? Please teach me
Go read post #115 again. You seem to think 20% fuel dilution is no big deal.
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Did you look at my post about class action lawsuits levied against Honda? Did you see the bit from Honda's communication with the NHTSA that talked about possible camshaft and rocker arm failure?
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...-your-oil-too-much.369632/page-5#post-6512447
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So where are the failed components?
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If I'm understanding your philosophy correctly of changing oil based upon color, I have personally heated brand new oil on a hot plate and I KNOW THAT HEAT ALONE turns oil black, quickly. The color of said oil is no indicator of TBN, NOACK, wear metals or additive metals, oil performance, etc. I categorically reject it and that is not based upon what test labs say; but you can crawl under your car as often as you like. I'm fine being different.
https://blog.amsoil.com/why-does-motor-oil-turn-black/
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Where are the failed camshaft and rocker arms that Honda is extending the warranty on?
From the Stop Sale in China:
In addition to the high oil levels and fuel smells, customers report illuminated engine warning lights and engine damage that in some cases caused the automaker to replace the cylinder heads.
Which is of course in-line with Honda now extending the warranty on the camshafts and rocker arms.
Unless your theory here is that multiple class action lawsuits, the stop sale by the Chinese government, Honda settling all of these lawsuits, their extended warranty, specifically mentioning valvetrain failure and the like are all based on absolutely nothing happening with these engines and that Honda willingly did all of this out of the goodness of their heart, yielding to the baseless demands and spending considerable sums of money all as an act of good faith
He enjoys playing stupid..... And he's winning!
I don't think they can make that claim, because it varies too much depending on both temperature, (cold climate driving), as well as length of trip. Short trips in cold weather will accumulate the greatest amount of dilution. And even 5% to 6% is still going increase wear enough to greatly shorten engine life.
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The carcomplaints site has folks with 3/4 to a full quart of fuel in their oil. When it gets that high, the car sometimes stalls, or goes into limp mode and has to get towed.
Four pages of complaints:
https://www.carcomplaints.com/Honda...overfilled_oil_level_gas_smell_in_cabin.shtml
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My dads 2016 yukon with a 6.2 fuel management v8 was junk at 167k miles. He did the 10-12k mile oil change with 0w-20. He had other issues with the tranny but the cylinder gaskets had to be replaced.. so he traded it in for a 2021 escalade ESV with the same 6.2 v8 and is till doing the extended OCI's.
They reside where they always have, inside Honda engines..... As many of their owners are signing on to class action lawsuits. Do you think this is a non issue, just because connecting rods aren't going through oil pans?
I read about the smell. Some owners have said it's so bad they can't drive their vehicles any distance because the smell is so nauseating. This is one of the many complaints from your link:
" Unless there’s chunks of metal in the oil everything is normal to them."
..........And to many here as well.
Not in a Hyundai / Kia DI engine either - I stick to 4,000 miles / 6 months (whichever comes first) . DI engine fuel dilution and soot are the culprits here and if a DI + turbo then 3,000 miles / 4 months is about right as an OCI .
Absolutely, go right ahead and chuck those tires in the trash; you'll feel so warm and fuzzy inside, you may even poop rainbows that smell like cotton candy.
Once you've operated a fleet of motor vehicles in the Middle East for 25 years, we can grab a beer.
Again, a complaint cut and pasted from Overkill's link:
"Have excess oil dilution in 1.5L engine. After 7,500 miles, oil level increased by 1.2 quarts to 4.5 quarts for a 3.3 qt. capacity engine. Afraid oil dilution is changing the oil viscosity and will cause undue wear. Had the Honda product update, doesn't help."
In this instance alone we are looking at a fuel dilution factor of over 36%, (36.363%).
"Have excess oil dilution in 1.5L engine. After 7,500 miles, oil level increased by 1.2 quarts to 4.5 quarts for a 3.3 qt. capacity engine. Afraid oil dilution is changing the oil viscosity and will cause undue wear. Had the Honda product update, doesn't help."
In this instance alone we are looking at a fuel dilution factor of over 36%, (36.363%).
Might the level get high enough to cause windage and other issues associated with overfilling?
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