Xiaomi CEO Claims SU7 Ultra Is Over 20 Seconds Faster Than Porsche Taycan Turbo GT At The Ring

I don't wish to be negative but honestly... who cares? We need vehicles that people can afford to purchase, are cost efficient to own and operate, and can perform the tasks that they're handed on a daily basis for many years.

Every Tom, **** and Harry is coming out with incredibly complicated, unaffordable, flagship vehicles while the vehicles on the road are growing older and older because people are unwilling or unable to buy them. If a company wants to impress the mature and intelligent vehicle purchaser then start bragging about true cost of ownership or reliability of their products once they're out of warranty. How about designing something that the common home owner can maintain in their own driveway on a Saturday instead of needing a computer science degree just to replace a battery.

No, I've grown tired of hearing how such and such is as fast or faster than brand XYZ. None of those offerings will ever be parked on any or my properties nor do they instill any desire to own them. Sorry, my intention wasn't to drag a dark cloud on the article. It's just nothing new in the modern world of boring.
 
I agree with FowVay, It's nice if a car cabn put a half decent time down at a place like the ring, it means there's no issues with cooling or heating and the handling is decent. But the better they do on track, the worse they are to drive on the road. Of course some cars (especially in the past) are terrible everywhere.

In fact, I had seen the AR Giulia QV put down a decent time there, years ago. But then I had seen the Stelvio put down a time close to it (20 seconds slower over 21 km), and that is the much more practical car between those 2. So why covet the faster car?
 
I'm all for a fast car and I get that EVs tend to be faster for less money, but there's no way around it this'll just be another expensive car with the numbers it's chasing and I doubt we'll see it in the US.
 
FowVay said:
I don't wish to be negative but honestly... who cares? We need vehicles that people can afford to purchase, are cost efficient to own and operate, and can perform the tasks that they're handed on a daily basis for many years.

Every Tom, **** and Harry is coming out with incredibly complicated, unaffordable, flagship vehicles while the vehicles on the road are growing older and older because people are unwilling or unable to buy them. If a company wants to impress the mature and intelligent vehicle purchaser then start bragging about true cost of ownership or reliability of their products once they're out of warranty. How about designing something that the common home owner can maintain in their own driveway on a Saturday instead of needing a computer science degree just to replace a battery.

No, I've grown tired of hearing how such and such is as fast or faster than brand XYZ. None of those offerings will ever be parked on any or my properties nor do they instill any desire to own them. Sorry, my intention wasn't to drag a dark cloud on the article. It's just nothing new in the modern world of boring.
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Since this is a Chinese manufacturer they want to show they can make cars that are technically equal or better to Western cars.

When it comes to affordable cars, expensive vehicles have more profit/car, this is why they are preferred by many auto makers.

Ford would probably have to sell 5 or 6 Focus/Fiestas to make the same profit as selling one F150.
 
Well, you got some pretty fast EVs that start in the $50K range like the M3P. You got your Taycan Turbos for the better part of $200K.
You got your (40 copies) Nevera R as for $2.5M.

Lot's of other choices as well; this is just a few...

How much you wanna spend?
 
Porsche seems to have figured out the Taycan for gen 2, now, from what I'm reading. Given the fact that I hate Chinese products, I'd definitely buy a used Taycan over this even if it gets importation at a huge tariff.
 
FowVay said:
I don't wish to be negative but honestly... who cares? We need vehicles that people can afford to purchase, are cost efficient to own and operate, and can perform the tasks that they're handed on a daily basis for many years.

Every Tom, **** and Harry is coming out with incredibly complicated, unaffordable, flagship vehicles while the vehicles on the road are growing older and older because people are unwilling or unable to buy them. If a company wants to impress the mature and intelligent vehicle purchaser then start bragging about true cost of ownership or reliability of their products once they're out of warranty. How about designing something that the common home owner can maintain in their own driveway on a Saturday instead of needing a computer science degree just to replace a battery.

No, I've grown tired of hearing how such and such is as fast or faster than brand XYZ. None of those offerings will ever be parked on any or my properties nor do they instill any desire to own them. Sorry, my intention wasn't to drag a dark cloud on the article. It's just nothing new in the modern world of boring.
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Lol, none of this is new.

Viper
Zr1
CobraJet
ZL1

Some of these predate me.
 
I had a Xiaomi 12T Pro for 12 months... well I say 12 months but I didn't have 1 for more than 3 months because they kept breaking. They can barely make phones, I'm not sure I'd trust a car of theirs.
 
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camrydriver111 said:
Ford would probably have to sell 5 or 6 Focus/Fiestas to make the same profit as selling one F150.
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That is the issue and why Ford may be a dying brand.

Ford essentially doesn't put significant resources into entry level vehicles. The result is entry level new vehicle buyers end up buying a Toyota Corolla- which is an outstanding entry level vehicle. These same folks end up moving up to a Camry, then a Tacoma, then a Lexus.

Harley made massive profits on its motorcycles, as Ford does on its F series. Harley now is at risk because Harley has such limited affordable products for young adults.
 
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That is the issue and why Ford may be a dying brand.

Ford essentially doesn't put significant resources into entry level vehicles. The result is entry level new vehicle buyers end up buying a Toyota Corolla- which is an outstanding entry level vehicle. These same folks end up moving up to a Camry, then a Tacoma, then a Lexus.

Harley made massive profits on its motorcycles, as Ford does on its F series. Harley now is at risk because Harley has such limited affordable products for young adults.
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I don’t think Ford forces its dealers to carry those units. Have not seen one in years - mostly SD trucks - F150’s, larger SUV’s - real Bronco’s etc -
Only car = Mustang …
 
Xiaomi has been lying about the quality of their EVs, don't trust a word they say. Many found the leather seats started to rip and fade, automatic door crushing their hands, etc. I would trust a Daewoo or Tata over a Xiaomi EV.
 
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Many years ago, former Top Gear and Grand Tour presenter James May had a rant about OEMs chasing Nürburgring times. The essence of it was that doing so creates a car that can lap the Nürburgring quickly but is hopeless in real life. Hard suspension, difficult driveability, enormous wheels with expensive tyres etc. In this day and age I still can't understand why OEMs are still chasing bragging rights over this lap time. It's like me saying I can send a fax the quickest.
 
weasley said:
Many years ago, former Top Gear and Grand Tour presenter James May had a rant about OEMs chasing Nürburgring times. The essence of it was that doing so creates a car that can lap the Nürburgring quickly but is hopeless in real life. Hard suspension, difficult driveability, enormous wheels with expensive tyres etc. In this day and age I still can't understand why OEMs are still chasing bragging rights over this lap time. It's like me saying I can send a fax the quickest.
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Captain slow? James May, though I love him as journalist, liked the Dacia Sandero. He owns these cars, the Porsche Carrera and Alpine A110 certainly contradict what he said about the Nurburgring.

May currently owns a 2010 Porsche 911 Carrera S facelift, a 2018 Alpine A110, a Fiat Panda, a Volkswagen Polo, a Tesla Model 3 Highland, a prototype 1989 Rover Mini Cooper RSP,[65] "a couple of Land Rovers", a Triumph Stag, a 2015 Ferrari 458 Speciale which he ordered following his exit from Top Gear and the VW Beach Buggy used in The Grand Tour Special "The Beach Buggy Boys".
 
weasley said:
Many years ago, former Top Gear and Grand Tour presenter James May had a rant about OEMs chasing Nürburgring times. The essence of it was that doing so creates a car that can lap the Nürburgring quickly but is hopeless in real life. Hard suspension, difficult driveability, enormous wheels with expensive tyres etc. In this day and age I still can't understand why OEMs are still chasing bragging rights over this lap time. It's like me saying I can send a fax the quickest.
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It’s a definable metric for an advertisement and it’s a gauge to see who’s won. I agree 100% with May’s sentiment. It’s made some cars harder riding and more aggressive than they need to be.
 
weasley said:
Many years ago, former Top Gear and Grand Tour presenter James May had a rant about OEMs chasing Nürburgring times. The essence of it was that doing so creates a car that can lap the Nürburgring quickly but is hopeless in real life. Hard suspension, difficult driveability, enormous wheels with expensive tyres etc. In this day and age I still can't understand why OEMs are still chasing bragging rights over this lap time. It's like me saying I can send a fax the quickest.
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It is a metric, and "Win on Sunday Sell on Monday" or something like that. But a track car is purpose built; it has little in common with our everyday cars. You wanna run fast on a track? Cool, but that's a different use. Plus performance cars spend a lot more time in the shop.
 
FowVay said:
I don't wish to be negative but honestly... who cares? We need vehicles that people can afford to purchase, are cost efficient to own and operate, and can perform the tasks that they're handed on a daily basis for many years.

Every Tom, **** and Harry is coming out with incredibly complicated, unaffordable, flagship vehicles while the vehicles on the road are growing older and older because people are unwilling or unable to buy them. If a company wants to impress the mature and intelligent vehicle purchaser then start bragging about true cost of ownership or reliability of their products once they're out of warranty. How about designing something that the common home owner can maintain in their own driveway on a Saturday instead of needing a computer science degree just to replace a battery.

No, I've grown tired of hearing how such and such is as fast or faster than brand XYZ. None of those offerings will ever be parked on any or my properties nor do they instill any desire to own them. Sorry, my intention wasn't to drag a dark cloud on the article. It's just nothing new in the modern world of boring.
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With your post in mind, I'll link to this video that takes an interesting and well-made point of view on the subject. I like your post, BTW.

What Koenigsegg Jesko's New Record Can Teach the Entire Car Industry
 
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