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Don't you know there is only one proper way of doing the dirty work? You have to do it yourself.
Would you support an American Foreign Legion?
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Too old. I need to import a domestic.
"Okay, call me a negative Nancy, but...didn't the French Foreign Legion once attempt an overthrow of the French democratic government?"
If you murder someone by shooting them or hire someone to shoot them it's still the same offense, the point being that the US has certainly engaged in toppling governments, democratic or otherwise. France didn't have as much ability to topple other governments so I guess they had to look inward for such activity.
If you murder someone by shooting them or hire someone to shoot them it's still the same offense, the point being that the US has certainly engaged in toppling governments, democratic or otherwise. France didn't have as much ability to topple other governments so I guess they had to look inward for such activity.
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In either case, it would add to the list of French military defeats.
Originally Posted By: moribundman
- better or more affordable healthcare
- higher live expectancy
- higher standards in education
- personal safety
- friendlier people
- slower way of life without the 24/7 focus on making money
Affordable health care is understandable but in many cases can be minimized by health living (as I'm sure you already do).
Many items on this list are available in rural parts of the country such as where I live in Alabama. This is especially true with the slower way of life.
Higher standards in education is interesting. I went to a school where 20-25% couldn't pass the exit exam but that didn't hamper my ambition to be educated.
- better or more affordable healthcare
- higher live expectancy
- higher standards in education
- personal safety
- friendlier people
- slower way of life without the 24/7 focus on making money
Affordable health care is understandable but in many cases can be minimized by health living (as I'm sure you already do).
Many items on this list are available in rural parts of the country such as where I live in Alabama. This is especially true with the slower way of life.
Higher standards in education is interesting. I went to a school where 20-25% couldn't pass the exit exam but that didn't hamper my ambition to be educated.
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I just noticed I wrote "live expectancy." I must now drown myself.
I am not going in argue in lieu of those who chose to live elsewhere. I am simply stating that a fairly large number of Americans lives much of out of the year or altogether elsewhere than in the US.
Growing up in a small Bavarian hick hometown, I alone knew three Americans who were permanently living there. Wherever you go, besides North Korea maybe, you will soon stumble across a local American. The list of reasons why many Americans choose to live abroad may give the impression their choice is one out of necessity. I have never met a poor American abroad. If you don't have the funds, you just can't live abroad better than you can at home, unless you are a beach bum. Speaking of which, during my uni days I got to know and American who had lived in South America for a few years doing nothing but surfing. Eventually he went back home and went to uni. Last time I heard from him he was living in Tunis, Tunisia.
I am not going in argue in lieu of those who chose to live elsewhere. I am simply stating that a fairly large number of Americans lives much of out of the year or altogether elsewhere than in the US.
Growing up in a small Bavarian hick hometown, I alone knew three Americans who were permanently living there. Wherever you go, besides North Korea maybe, you will soon stumble across a local American. The list of reasons why many Americans choose to live abroad may give the impression their choice is one out of necessity. I have never met a poor American abroad. If you don't have the funds, you just can't live abroad better than you can at home, unless you are a beach bum. Speaking of which, during my uni days I got to know and American who had lived in South America for a few years doing nothing but surfing. Eventually he went back home and went to uni. Last time I heard from him he was living in Tunis, Tunisia.
Coming from someone who has lived in and worked in different parts of the world, there is no place like home. I estimate that 99.9 % of Americans live here because it's about the cheapest nation in the world to live comfortably in. We have our problems, as much as some and less than most.
This might sound like a harsh alliteration, but I have to do nothing more than to throw a rock in my neighborhood to hit an immigrant. The woman down the street is German, there's an Aussie and his New Zealander wife a couple of streets down, several Korean and Thai families, a French woman, one Chinese, two Egyptian families, A Laotian exchange student next door, one guy from Tunisia and his brother-in-law- a Jordanian; and more Mexicans than you could shake a stick at. It's very hard to convince me that Native-born Americans are in a mass exodus to leave this country.
I think this is the typical (and no offense to you Mori, this isn't aimed at you) Euro view of America. My mother's family was from Paris, (and no I'm not half-coward BTW) and I lived there for a couple of years as a kid. The typical Euro-arrogant view of an American living abroad was "Oh, so America's so great they have to come here to live. Hmmph!" Of course this isn't true of all Europeans, but it's more common in France and Germany, and to a lesser extent Sweden and Norway. Living abroad for most of my formative years gave me a deeper understanding of how the world sees us. Of course, as an outsider looking in I may not be the most objective judge of snobbery but it's definitely there.
Running into other wayward Americans out there, I can definitely say that the majority of Americans, if not tied there through military service, are quite wealthy. And rare. In the ten years or so I lived in Europe I encountered maybe five American families. I think the reason so many Americans stay here, and on the inverse, so many Europeans flock here is the ability to make money and KEEP it. With a tax rate as high as 50-75% in some areas, you'd have to be a die-hard patriot to not entertain the notion of living in America, if only to ensure your financial liberty. If you can't make money in America, you're not going to make it anywhere else in the world.
So no, I don't buy this whole "Americans are leaving their country for a better way of life abroad" thing, I believe it is the complete opposite. We Americans love European snobbery, Arabic hatred for our way of life, and Asian countries buying us out lock, stock, and barrel. If we didn't, there would never be any complaints of snobby French waiters, rude convenience store clerks, or the notion that Toyota and Honda build cars better than we Americans. We love it when Deutschland Emigre's point out that we can't make chocolate, beer, and automobiles correctly therefore we fail at existence. It's part of what endears us to them, and them to us. We, as Americans, wouldn't be treated the same in their prospective countries, and we wouldn't expect to be. It's part of what makes us who we are.
I read a few years back a study that showed that for every one American that left to enjoy life in another country, 350 immigrants came to take his place. I don't know if that's still an accurate figure, but it's close enough. So on behalf of all Americans, to all present and future legal immigrants, I say
This might sound like a harsh alliteration, but I have to do nothing more than to throw a rock in my neighborhood to hit an immigrant. The woman down the street is German, there's an Aussie and his New Zealander wife a couple of streets down, several Korean and Thai families, a French woman, one Chinese, two Egyptian families, A Laotian exchange student next door, one guy from Tunisia and his brother-in-law- a Jordanian; and more Mexicans than you could shake a stick at. It's very hard to convince me that Native-born Americans are in a mass exodus to leave this country.
I think this is the typical (and no offense to you Mori, this isn't aimed at you) Euro view of America. My mother's family was from Paris, (and no I'm not half-coward BTW) and I lived there for a couple of years as a kid. The typical Euro-arrogant view of an American living abroad was "Oh, so America's so great they have to come here to live. Hmmph!" Of course this isn't true of all Europeans, but it's more common in France and Germany, and to a lesser extent Sweden and Norway. Living abroad for most of my formative years gave me a deeper understanding of how the world sees us. Of course, as an outsider looking in I may not be the most objective judge of snobbery but it's definitely there.
Running into other wayward Americans out there, I can definitely say that the majority of Americans, if not tied there through military service, are quite wealthy. And rare. In the ten years or so I lived in Europe I encountered maybe five American families. I think the reason so many Americans stay here, and on the inverse, so many Europeans flock here is the ability to make money and KEEP it. With a tax rate as high as 50-75% in some areas, you'd have to be a die-hard patriot to not entertain the notion of living in America, if only to ensure your financial liberty. If you can't make money in America, you're not going to make it anywhere else in the world.
So no, I don't buy this whole "Americans are leaving their country for a better way of life abroad" thing, I believe it is the complete opposite. We Americans love European snobbery, Arabic hatred for our way of life, and Asian countries buying us out lock, stock, and barrel. If we didn't, there would never be any complaints of snobby French waiters, rude convenience store clerks, or the notion that Toyota and Honda build cars better than we Americans. We love it when Deutschland Emigre's point out that we can't make chocolate, beer, and automobiles correctly therefore we fail at existence. It's part of what endears us to them, and them to us. We, as Americans, wouldn't be treated the same in their prospective countries, and we wouldn't expect to be. It's part of what makes us who we are.
I read a few years back a study that showed that for every one American that left to enjoy life in another country, 350 immigrants came to take his place. I don't know if that's still an accurate figure, but it's close enough. So on behalf of all Americans, to all present and future legal immigrants, I say
Dang rob.
That is well said!
Thank you.
That is well said!
Thank you.
Originally Posted By: Oldmoparguy1
Dang rob.
That is well said!
Thank you.
+1
I think my old credit card bills and health insurance are a small price to pay for 6 digit income.
How many third world expatriates have an oil stash???
Most of the friends I have who went abroad wandered around for a few years because "the US is so oppressive" and everywhere else in the world "they let you do your own thing." Half of them are back here and in high paying jobs once they got their "rebel" streak out of them, selling investments or loans.....
As for Gary's original question, sure, why not? However, not in large enough numbers to comprise a major component of our armed forces. Lest we lose, as Gibbon referred to it, our martial vigor.
Dang rob.
That is well said!
Thank you.
+1
I think my old credit card bills and health insurance are a small price to pay for 6 digit income.
How many third world expatriates have an oil stash???
Most of the friends I have who went abroad wandered around for a few years because "the US is so oppressive" and everywhere else in the world "they let you do your own thing." Half of them are back here and in high paying jobs once they got their "rebel" streak out of them, selling investments or loans.....
As for Gary's original question, sure, why not? However, not in large enough numbers to comprise a major component of our armed forces. Lest we lose, as Gibbon referred to it, our martial vigor.
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Originally Posted By: kingrob
I estimate that 99.9 % of Americans live here because it's about the cheapest nation in the world to live comfortably in.
The fondess of cheapness is one of the less endearing qualities.
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This might sound like a harsh alliteration, but I have to do nothing more than to throw a rock in my neighborhood to hit an immigrant.
"Alliteration?" Not now, not ever!
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The woman down the street is German, there's an Aussie and his New Zealander wife a couple of streets down, several Korean and Thai families, a French woman, one Chinese, two Egyptian families, A Laotian exchange student next door, one guy from Tunisia and his brother-in-law- a Jordanian; and more Mexicans than you could shake a stick at.
You are merely describing America.
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It's very hard to convince me that Native-born Americans are in a mass exodus to leave this country.
Oh, I see what you are implying: only native-born Americans are real 'Murrikans, while immigrants that acquired citizenship are just citizens. I get it!
At this point I give up dissecting the diatribe, which is fraught with preconceived notions. However, one thing I'd like to add is that some, or maybe even many people mix up "going to live abroad" and "emigrating." It's not the necessarily the same thing. I figure you, being an at least half French emigrant who's lived here and there, would know that.
I estimate that 99.9 % of Americans live here because it's about the cheapest nation in the world to live comfortably in.
The fondess of cheapness is one of the less endearing qualities.
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This might sound like a harsh alliteration, but I have to do nothing more than to throw a rock in my neighborhood to hit an immigrant.
"Alliteration?" Not now, not ever!
Quote:
The woman down the street is German, there's an Aussie and his New Zealander wife a couple of streets down, several Korean and Thai families, a French woman, one Chinese, two Egyptian families, A Laotian exchange student next door, one guy from Tunisia and his brother-in-law- a Jordanian; and more Mexicans than you could shake a stick at.
You are merely describing America.
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It's very hard to convince me that Native-born Americans are in a mass exodus to leave this country.
Oh, I see what you are implying: only native-born Americans are real 'Murrikans, while immigrants that acquired citizenship are just citizens. I get it!
At this point I give up dissecting the diatribe, which is fraught with preconceived notions. However, one thing I'd like to add is that some, or maybe even many people mix up "going to live abroad" and "emigrating." It's not the necessarily the same thing. I figure you, being an at least half French emigrant who's lived here and there, would know that.
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The 1999 numbers for Americans living abroad:
Private American Citizens Residing Abroad
Americans Registered Abroad By Post
(List compiled July 1999 by the Bureau of Consular Affairs)
This list does NOT include U.S. Government (military and nonmilitary) employees and their dependents.
Editor's Note: This list was the last one published. "By Post" means that some countries have both an American embassy and consulate.
Also Note: There is also a report from the Government Accountability Office called '2010 Census: Counting Americans Overseas as Part of the Decennial Census Would Not Be Cost-Effective' which was released on September 14, 2004. This report discusses the number of Americans abroad and the problems with getting accurate statistics.
Americans living in the area of these posts are encouraged to register, which simply means they fill out a form to let the embassy or consulate know they are there. This helps in case of emergencies and situations like lost passports.
Many do not register, which means that in theory the number of Americans could be higher. These numbers also include children who became American citizens by being born in the United States, but whose parents could be citizens of other countries.
Although this list is from 1999, it still gives a good indication of where Americans are.
Country Post # Resident Americans
ALBANIA Tirana 646
ALGERIA Algiers 793
ANGOLA Luanda 845
ARGENTINA Buenos Aires 27,600
ARMENIA Yerevan 229
AUSTRALIA Canberra 2,500
Melbourne 38,000
Sydney 55,500
Perth 6,800
AUSTRIA Vienna 14,000
AZERBAIJAN Baku 600
BAHAMAS Nassau 7,050
BAHRAIN Manama 1,800
BANGLADESH Dhaka 1,320
BARBADOS Bridgetown 12,000
BELARUS Minsk 190
BELGIUM Brussels 35,328
BELIZE Belize City 2,700
BENIN Cotonou 250
BERMUDA Hamilton 4,300
BOLIVIA La Paz 3,000
BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA Sarajevo 1600
BOTSWANA Gaborone 800
BRAZIL Brasilia 7,200
Rio de Janeiro 14,460
Sao Paolo 16,480
Recife 2,500
BRUNEI Bandar Seri Begawan 248
BULGARIA Sofia 400
BURKINA FASO Ouagadougou 329
BURMA Rangoon 332
BURUNDI Bujumbura 46
CAMBODIA Phnom Penh 1200
CAMEROON Yaounde 1,161
CANADA Ottawa 24,300
Calgary 105,000
Halifax 40,000
Montreal 65,000
Quebec 3,400
Toronto 250,000
Vancouver 200,000
CAPE VERDE Praia 1,000
CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC Bangui 91
CHAD N'Djamena 162
CHILE Santiago 11,790
CHINA Beijing 10,000
Guangzhou 3,200
Hong Kong 48,220
Shanghai 2,382
Shenyang 555
Chengdu 800
COLOMBIA Bogota 30,680
CONGO (Democratic Republic of) Kinshasa 440
CONGO (Republic of) Brazzaville 233
COSTA RICA San Jose 19,800
COTE D'IVOIRE Abidjan 2,100
CROATIA Zagreb 1,921
CUBA Havana 2,000
CYPRUS Nicosia 4,175
CZECH REPUBLIC Prague 10,000
DENMARK Copenhagen 9,380
DJIBOUTI Djibouti 50
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC Santo Domingo 82,000
ECUADOR Quito 7,950
Guayquil 5,874
EGYPT Cairo 10,892
EL SALVADOR San Salvador 10,000
EQUATORIAL GUINEA Malabo 30
ERITREA Asmara 356
ESTONIA Tallinn 1,000
ETHIOPIA Addis Ababa 2,190
FIJI Suva 5,288
FINLAND Helsinki 4,700
FRANCE Paris 75,000
Marseille 23,700
Strasbourg 3,050
GABON Libreville 298
GAMBIA Banjul 546
GEORGIA Tbilisi 303
GERMANY Bonn 692
Berlin 14,619
Frankfurt Am Main 138,815
Hamburg 11,754
Munich 45,000
GHANA Accra 3,780
GREECE Athens 65,000
Thessaloniki 7,500
GRENADA St. George's 2,000
GUATEMALA Guatemala City 10,000
GUINEA Conakry 660
GUINEA-BISSAU Bissau 25
GUYANA Georgetown 1,500
HAITI Port-Au-Prince 11,000
HONDURAS Tegucigalpa 10,500
HUNGARY Budapest 15,000
ICELAND Reykjavik 1,730
INDIA New Delhi 1,397
Mumbai 9,400
Calcutta 672
Madras 3,900
INDONESIA Jakarta 6,818
Surabaya 2,240
IRELAND Dublin 46,984
ISRAEL Tel Aviv 18,000
JERUSALEM Jerusalem 76,195
ITALY Rome 40,000
Milan 20,000
Naples 72,000
Florence 36,967
JAMAICA Kingston 7,500
JAPAN Tokyo 45,000
Naha, Okinawa 3,415
Osaka-Kobe 13,484
Sapporo 2,756
Fukuoka 5,695
JORDAN Amman 8,000
KAZAKHSTAN Almaty 3,600
KENYA Nairobi 4,237
KOREA Seoul 30,000
KUWAIT Kuwait 7,710
KYRGYZSTAN Bishkek 150
LAOS Vientiane 293
LATVIA Riga 2,084
LEBANON Beirut 10,000
LESOTHO Maseru 190
LIBERIA Monrovia 220
LITHUANIA Vilnius 1,500
LUXEMBOURG Luxembourg 1,527
MACEDONIA Skopje 800
MADAGASCAR Antananarivo 372
MALAWI Lilongwe 863
MALAYSIA Kuala Lumpur 6,639
MALI Bamako 460
MALTA Valletta 700
MARSHALL ISLANDS Majuro 580
MAURITANIA Nouakchott 100
MAURITIUS Port Louis 320
MEXICO Mexico City 441,680
Ciudad Juarez 63,480
Guadalajara 111,100
Monterrey 29,900
Tijuana 196,000
Hermosillo 80,600
Matamoros 60,960
Merida 49,000
Nuevo Laredo 3,580
MICRONESIA Kolonia 760
MOLDOVA Chisinau 125
MONGOLIA Ulaanbaatar 450
MOROCCO Rabat 1,401
MOZAMBIQUE Maputo 641
NAMIBIA Windhoek 350
NEPAL Kathmandu 1,600
NETHERLANDS Amsterdam 23,707
NETHERLANDS ANTILLES Curacao 6,075
NEW ZEALAND Auckland 14,540
NICARAGUA Managua 5,000
NIGER Niamey 335
NIGERIA Lagos 10,000
NORWAY Oslo 15,000
OMAN Muscat 1,444
PAKISTAN Islamabad 506
Karachi 2,100
Lahore 1,250
Peshawar 375
PALAU Koror 300
PANAMA Panama City 19,700
PAPUA NEW GUINEA Port Moresby 2,468
PARAGUAY Asuncion 2,368
PERU Lima 14,143
PHILIPPINES Manila 105,000
POLAND Warsaw 21,300
Krakow 18,000
PORTUGAL Lisbon 1,072
Ponta Delgada 1,100
QATAR Doha 3,775
ROMANIA Bucharest 13,152
RUSSIA Moscow 8,000
St. Petersburg 900
Vladivostok 348
Yekaterinburg 200
RWANDA Kigali 165
SAUDI ARABIA Riyadh 11,506
Dhahran 13,600
Jeddah 10,883
SENEGAL Dakar 791
SERBIA-MONTENEGRO Belgrade 4,514
SIERRA LEONE Freetown 130
SINGAPORE Singapore 15,000
SLOVAK REPUBLIC Bratislava 850
SLOVENIA Ljubljana 650
SOMALIA Mogadishu 12
SOUTH AFRICA Pretoria 8,100
Cape Town 2,647
Durban 720
SPAIN Madrid 75,596
Barcelona 18,917
SRI LANKA Colombo 658
SUDAN Khartoum 1,479
SURINAME Paramaribo 425
SWAZILAND Mbabane 352
SWEDEN Stockholm 18,000
SWITZERLAND Bern 12,113
SYRIA Damascus 3,856
TAIWAN Taipei 38,000
TAJIKISTAN Dushanbe 117
TANZANIA Dar Es Salaam 1,186
THAILAND Bangkok 16,500
Chiang Mai 1,600
TOGO Lome 329
TRINIDAD & TOBAGO Port-of-Spain 3,200
TUNISIA Tunis 700
TURKEY Ankara 2,010
Istanbul 4,800
Adana 266
TURKMENISTAN Ashgabat 107
UGANDA Kampala 1,350
UKRAINE Kiev 3,000
UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
Abu Dhabi 7,500
Dubai 9,000
UNITED KINGDOM London, England 200,000
Belfast, Ireland 4,000
Edinburgh, Scotland 20,000
URUGUAY Montevideo 3,500
UZBEKISTAN Tashkent 590
VENEZUELA Caracas 25,000
VIETNAM Hanoi 3,000
WESTERN SAMOA Apia 495
YEMEN Sanaa 15,300
ZAMBIA Lusaka 980
ZIMBABWE Harare 2,125
GRAND TOTAL 3,784,693
Private American Citizens Residing Abroad
Americans Registered Abroad By Post
(List compiled July 1999 by the Bureau of Consular Affairs)
This list does NOT include U.S. Government (military and nonmilitary) employees and their dependents.
Editor's Note: This list was the last one published. "By Post" means that some countries have both an American embassy and consulate.
Also Note: There is also a report from the Government Accountability Office called '2010 Census: Counting Americans Overseas as Part of the Decennial Census Would Not Be Cost-Effective' which was released on September 14, 2004. This report discusses the number of Americans abroad and the problems with getting accurate statistics.
Americans living in the area of these posts are encouraged to register, which simply means they fill out a form to let the embassy or consulate know they are there. This helps in case of emergencies and situations like lost passports.
Many do not register, which means that in theory the number of Americans could be higher. These numbers also include children who became American citizens by being born in the United States, but whose parents could be citizens of other countries.
Although this list is from 1999, it still gives a good indication of where Americans are.
Country Post # Resident Americans
ALBANIA Tirana 646
ALGERIA Algiers 793
ANGOLA Luanda 845
ARGENTINA Buenos Aires 27,600
ARMENIA Yerevan 229
AUSTRALIA Canberra 2,500
Melbourne 38,000
Sydney 55,500
Perth 6,800
AUSTRIA Vienna 14,000
AZERBAIJAN Baku 600
BAHAMAS Nassau 7,050
BAHRAIN Manama 1,800
BANGLADESH Dhaka 1,320
BARBADOS Bridgetown 12,000
BELARUS Minsk 190
BELGIUM Brussels 35,328
BELIZE Belize City 2,700
BENIN Cotonou 250
BERMUDA Hamilton 4,300
BOLIVIA La Paz 3,000
BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA Sarajevo 1600
BOTSWANA Gaborone 800
BRAZIL Brasilia 7,200
Rio de Janeiro 14,460
Sao Paolo 16,480
Recife 2,500
BRUNEI Bandar Seri Begawan 248
BULGARIA Sofia 400
BURKINA FASO Ouagadougou 329
BURMA Rangoon 332
BURUNDI Bujumbura 46
CAMBODIA Phnom Penh 1200
CAMEROON Yaounde 1,161
CANADA Ottawa 24,300
Calgary 105,000
Halifax 40,000
Montreal 65,000
Quebec 3,400
Toronto 250,000
Vancouver 200,000
CAPE VERDE Praia 1,000
CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC Bangui 91
CHAD N'Djamena 162
CHILE Santiago 11,790
CHINA Beijing 10,000
Guangzhou 3,200
Hong Kong 48,220
Shanghai 2,382
Shenyang 555
Chengdu 800
COLOMBIA Bogota 30,680
CONGO (Democratic Republic of) Kinshasa 440
CONGO (Republic of) Brazzaville 233
COSTA RICA San Jose 19,800
COTE D'IVOIRE Abidjan 2,100
CROATIA Zagreb 1,921
CUBA Havana 2,000
CYPRUS Nicosia 4,175
CZECH REPUBLIC Prague 10,000
DENMARK Copenhagen 9,380
DJIBOUTI Djibouti 50
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC Santo Domingo 82,000
ECUADOR Quito 7,950
Guayquil 5,874
EGYPT Cairo 10,892
EL SALVADOR San Salvador 10,000
EQUATORIAL GUINEA Malabo 30
ERITREA Asmara 356
ESTONIA Tallinn 1,000
ETHIOPIA Addis Ababa 2,190
FIJI Suva 5,288
FINLAND Helsinki 4,700
FRANCE Paris 75,000
Marseille 23,700
Strasbourg 3,050
GABON Libreville 298
GAMBIA Banjul 546
GEORGIA Tbilisi 303
GERMANY Bonn 692
Berlin 14,619
Frankfurt Am Main 138,815
Hamburg 11,754
Munich 45,000
GHANA Accra 3,780
GREECE Athens 65,000
Thessaloniki 7,500
GRENADA St. George's 2,000
GUATEMALA Guatemala City 10,000
GUINEA Conakry 660
GUINEA-BISSAU Bissau 25
GUYANA Georgetown 1,500
HAITI Port-Au-Prince 11,000
HONDURAS Tegucigalpa 10,500
HUNGARY Budapest 15,000
ICELAND Reykjavik 1,730
INDIA New Delhi 1,397
Mumbai 9,400
Calcutta 672
Madras 3,900
INDONESIA Jakarta 6,818
Surabaya 2,240
IRELAND Dublin 46,984
ISRAEL Tel Aviv 18,000
JERUSALEM Jerusalem 76,195
ITALY Rome 40,000
Milan 20,000
Naples 72,000
Florence 36,967
JAMAICA Kingston 7,500
JAPAN Tokyo 45,000
Naha, Okinawa 3,415
Osaka-Kobe 13,484
Sapporo 2,756
Fukuoka 5,695
JORDAN Amman 8,000
KAZAKHSTAN Almaty 3,600
KENYA Nairobi 4,237
KOREA Seoul 30,000
KUWAIT Kuwait 7,710
KYRGYZSTAN Bishkek 150
LAOS Vientiane 293
LATVIA Riga 2,084
LEBANON Beirut 10,000
LESOTHO Maseru 190
LIBERIA Monrovia 220
LITHUANIA Vilnius 1,500
LUXEMBOURG Luxembourg 1,527
MACEDONIA Skopje 800
MADAGASCAR Antananarivo 372
MALAWI Lilongwe 863
MALAYSIA Kuala Lumpur 6,639
MALI Bamako 460
MALTA Valletta 700
MARSHALL ISLANDS Majuro 580
MAURITANIA Nouakchott 100
MAURITIUS Port Louis 320
MEXICO Mexico City 441,680
Ciudad Juarez 63,480
Guadalajara 111,100
Monterrey 29,900
Tijuana 196,000
Hermosillo 80,600
Matamoros 60,960
Merida 49,000
Nuevo Laredo 3,580
MICRONESIA Kolonia 760
MOLDOVA Chisinau 125
MONGOLIA Ulaanbaatar 450
MOROCCO Rabat 1,401
MOZAMBIQUE Maputo 641
NAMIBIA Windhoek 350
NEPAL Kathmandu 1,600
NETHERLANDS Amsterdam 23,707
NETHERLANDS ANTILLES Curacao 6,075
NEW ZEALAND Auckland 14,540
NICARAGUA Managua 5,000
NIGER Niamey 335
NIGERIA Lagos 10,000
NORWAY Oslo 15,000
OMAN Muscat 1,444
PAKISTAN Islamabad 506
Karachi 2,100
Lahore 1,250
Peshawar 375
PALAU Koror 300
PANAMA Panama City 19,700
PAPUA NEW GUINEA Port Moresby 2,468
PARAGUAY Asuncion 2,368
PERU Lima 14,143
PHILIPPINES Manila 105,000
POLAND Warsaw 21,300
Krakow 18,000
PORTUGAL Lisbon 1,072
Ponta Delgada 1,100
QATAR Doha 3,775
ROMANIA Bucharest 13,152
RUSSIA Moscow 8,000
St. Petersburg 900
Vladivostok 348
Yekaterinburg 200
RWANDA Kigali 165
SAUDI ARABIA Riyadh 11,506
Dhahran 13,600
Jeddah 10,883
SENEGAL Dakar 791
SERBIA-MONTENEGRO Belgrade 4,514
SIERRA LEONE Freetown 130
SINGAPORE Singapore 15,000
SLOVAK REPUBLIC Bratislava 850
SLOVENIA Ljubljana 650
SOMALIA Mogadishu 12
SOUTH AFRICA Pretoria 8,100
Cape Town 2,647
Durban 720
SPAIN Madrid 75,596
Barcelona 18,917
SRI LANKA Colombo 658
SUDAN Khartoum 1,479
SURINAME Paramaribo 425
SWAZILAND Mbabane 352
SWEDEN Stockholm 18,000
SWITZERLAND Bern 12,113
SYRIA Damascus 3,856
TAIWAN Taipei 38,000
TAJIKISTAN Dushanbe 117
TANZANIA Dar Es Salaam 1,186
THAILAND Bangkok 16,500
Chiang Mai 1,600
TOGO Lome 329
TRINIDAD & TOBAGO Port-of-Spain 3,200
TUNISIA Tunis 700
TURKEY Ankara 2,010
Istanbul 4,800
Adana 266
TURKMENISTAN Ashgabat 107
UGANDA Kampala 1,350
UKRAINE Kiev 3,000
UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
Abu Dhabi 7,500
Dubai 9,000
UNITED KINGDOM London, England 200,000
Belfast, Ireland 4,000
Edinburgh, Scotland 20,000
URUGUAY Montevideo 3,500
UZBEKISTAN Tashkent 590
VENEZUELA Caracas 25,000
VIETNAM Hanoi 3,000
WESTERN SAMOA Apia 495
YEMEN Sanaa 15,300
ZAMBIA Lusaka 980
ZIMBABWE Harare 2,125
GRAND TOTAL 3,784,693
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Did I ever say there was a mass exodus? I said, "many Americans are actually leaving the US."
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The fondess of cheapness is one of the less endearing qualities.
Actually, it is.
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"Alliteration?" Not now, not ever!
Sorry, the American Education system failed me yet again.
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You are merely describing America.
Your report cites just over three and a half million Americans living abroad. Compare to the Thirty Three and a half million foreign born citizens living in the US (http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/p20-551.pdf) and you'll see this disparaging hole in your theory of a mass exodus. If America is so bad, why are only three million Americans in another country but thirty three million people from another country HERE? Doesn't hardly seem like such a desolate wasteland if everyone is flocking to live here and nobody is leaving.
And just to poke fun a little at Der Fazerland's expense, why is there over 3 million German born American citizens living here now compared to the 200,000 Americans living in Germany?
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Oh, I see what you are implying: only native-born Americans are real 'Murrikans, while immigrants that acquired citizenship are just citizens. I get it!
Well, Jingoistic Nationalism is not something I've ever been privy to here in the states. Not the same thing can be said for certain Euro movements I've witnessed firsthand... But I digress.
You're here in a very open way painting me a racial or cultural elitist for stating the fact that people born in the US are not beating down the doors of other countries to seek refuge. That's pretty sleazy.
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However, one thing I'd like to add is that some, or maybe even many people mix up "going to live abroad" and "emigrating." It's not the necessarily the same thing. I figure you, being an at least half French emigrant who's lived here and there, would know that.
You're right, I lived abroad.
The fondess of cheapness is one of the less endearing qualities.
Actually, it is.
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"Alliteration?" Not now, not ever!
Sorry, the American Education system failed me yet again.
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You are merely describing America.
Your report cites just over three and a half million Americans living abroad. Compare to the Thirty Three and a half million foreign born citizens living in the US (http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/p20-551.pdf) and you'll see this disparaging hole in your theory of a mass exodus. If America is so bad, why are only three million Americans in another country but thirty three million people from another country HERE? Doesn't hardly seem like such a desolate wasteland if everyone is flocking to live here and nobody is leaving.
And just to poke fun a little at Der Fazerland's expense, why is there over 3 million German born American citizens living here now compared to the 200,000 Americans living in Germany?
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Oh, I see what you are implying: only native-born Americans are real 'Murrikans, while immigrants that acquired citizenship are just citizens. I get it!
Well, Jingoistic Nationalism is not something I've ever been privy to here in the states. Not the same thing can be said for certain Euro movements I've witnessed firsthand... But I digress.
You're here in a very open way painting me a racial or cultural elitist for stating the fact that people born in the US are not beating down the doors of other countries to seek refuge. That's pretty sleazy.
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However, one thing I'd like to add is that some, or maybe even many people mix up "going to live abroad" and "emigrating." It's not the necessarily the same thing. I figure you, being an at least half French emigrant who's lived here and there, would know that.
You're right, I lived abroad.
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Originally Posted By: kingrob
your theory of a mass exodus.
Don't put words in my mouth, I never said there was a mass exodus, as I already have pointed out.
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And just to poke fun a little at Der Fazerland's expense, why is there over 3 million German born American citizens living here now compared to the 200,000 Americans living in Germany?
Clearly they don't care for the weather in Germany! As for why they got US citizenship, I presume they plan on reaping the benefit of being a citizen some day.
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You're here in a very open way painting me a racial or cultural elitist for stating the fact that people born in the US are not beating down the doors of other countries to seek refuge. That's pretty sleazy.
That's your interpretation of what I said? Tu es fou?
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You're right, I lived abroad.
So have I since I was 5. Here, there, and over there.
your theory of a mass exodus.
Don't put words in my mouth, I never said there was a mass exodus, as I already have pointed out.
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And just to poke fun a little at Der Fazerland's expense, why is there over 3 million German born American citizens living here now compared to the 200,000 Americans living in Germany?
Clearly they don't care for the weather in Germany! As for why they got US citizenship, I presume they plan on reaping the benefit of being a citizen some day.
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You're here in a very open way painting me a racial or cultural elitist for stating the fact that people born in the US are not beating down the doors of other countries to seek refuge. That's pretty sleazy.
That's your interpretation of what I said? Tu es fou?
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You're right, I lived abroad.
So have I since I was 5. Here, there, and over there.
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That's your interpretation of what I said? Tu es fou?
Peut-être,
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Oh, I see what you are implying: only native-born Americans are real 'Murrikans
But I don't see any other way to take that comment. I wasn't implying anything other than what I stated, yet you fell back on the common worldwide assumed stereotype of the American elitist cowboy that doesn't consider someone a fellow countryman unless he's the right "stock". C'est la vie, said the cowboy.
That's your interpretation of what I said? Tu es fou?
Peut-être,
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Oh, I see what you are implying: only native-born Americans are real 'Murrikans
But I don't see any other way to take that comment. I wasn't implying anything other than what I stated, yet you fell back on the common worldwide assumed stereotype of the American elitist cowboy that doesn't consider someone a fellow countryman unless he's the right "stock". C'est la vie, said the cowboy.
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Originally Posted By: kingrob
American elitist cowboy
First an "alliteration," now a contradictio in adjecto! Way to go, mon ami!
American elitist cowboy
First an "alliteration," now a contradictio in adjecto! Way to go, mon ami!
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