Would you support an American Foreign Legion?

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: moribundman
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Naturally, it would require that any illegal caught would be offered joining or the boot.


Naturally, a nation that cannot secure its borders will do much better with a gang of mercs. Get a grip.


Hire legal illegals to patrol the border. Make it pay to protect their entrance into our society. Surely someone, paying with (potentially) their life, ..isn't going to want others to skate free, are they?

Again, you would have to reorient our current social disposition toward illegals.

I'm looking for a way to work both ends of it to a favorable outcome. First you have to make being an illegal unprofitable/ungainfull with real consequences for discovery. You then merely need a motivation to promote discovery.

I think providing needed personnel for military enterprises as a great incentive for our leadership to move in this direction.

Now don't get me wrong, I can understand their desires and needs ..but ..we've got our own and are paying for it LARGE. No one rides free.

This is so wickedly perfect. It has all the elements for success. It can be promoted for its noble intent (can you hear the "it will give those true citizenship ..with all its benefits"

) ..while being totally exploited for the real utility that it will provide in applying some Grecian Formula to the old 850lb silver back ..that's looking a little grey.

 

[MarginCalled]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan


Since we're getting long in the tooth and didn't puke out enough children ..and most of our young are going to be changing our diapers ...that just doesn't leave a whole lot of man power for our future foreign enterprises.

Seems to me as if we already have something like that going on. Check out the number of foreign born Mestizos in our fighting forces.

 

[Oldmoparguy1]

Originally Posted By: moribundman
Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Israel are currently popular with people of working age (because people speak English there). Mexico, Panama, and Costa Rica are popular with retirees.

It is estimated that 3 million American citizens emigrate every year. The Census Bureau does not keep track or even count them. You can find the data from various sources, for example Zogby, online.

Five of my American friends have left during the past three years. Only in one case was it due to him moving because his job required it. At this rate I won't have any American friends in the US within one or two years. Yikes.


Interesting. Some of those places are high tax, oppressive government places. Mexico doesn't allow outsiders to emigrate or own property. Don't know much about Panama. Costa Rica is the hot place right now, is rapidly being overrun with developers from everywhere.

I'm sure there are reasons for these folks to move. I suppose cost of living is the big issue, especially from places like the east and west coasts.

Back in the 70's folks were retiring to the Eastern block countries, usually there were family ties there and the cost of living was very low, also the governments liked to see the U.S. $$ flowing in.

Something to keep an eye on.

 

[XS650]

Originally Posted By: Oldmoparguy1

Interesting. Some of those places are high tax, oppressive government places. Mexico doesn't allow outsiders to emigrate or own property.


Foreigners are allowed to own land in Mexico as long as its something like 50km away from the coast.

You can emigrate to Mexico if you have a job offer there or proof of other income that provides enough money to live on. IIRC, you need proof of income of something like $1500/month.

 

[eljefino]

Andy Rooney commented that when he was drafted into the Army in WWII, some of the corporals and sargents that got there ahead of him were "paroled into the army"...

The reason, IMO, immigration is such an unfixed issue, is that large landowners (think plantations

) secretly enjoy the cheap help and levels of grayness surrounding said help's (semi)legal status... making them "good serfs" not complaining about the working conditions. Ask a man on the street, just like the banks bailout, and it boggles their minds how incompetently this is handled.

We could make a rule where every mile on every border is a gate with a US agent who talks to every passer-through... but then the gov't would take flack for "missing" a terrorist/criminal/day laborer... easier for them to say, shoot, we built a fence with infared cameras but they got away in the desert...

 

[TooManyWheels]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan


This is so wickedly perfect. It has all the elements for success. It can be promoted for its noble intent (can you hear the "it will give those true citizenship ..with all its benefits"

) ..while being totally exploited for the real utility that it will provide i..


Wickedly perfect in the same way as having evangelists extract promises of conversion in exchange for food, or using prisoners as medical test subjects in return for shortened sentences. Both cases make the supposed "benifitee" give up something of personal value to gain something they should have been able to achieve at lesser personal cost.

Basically, it is manipulative and coercive, and just generally shady. You wake up twenty years down the road and say "What happened to our national values"? Well, you deliberately perverted them, one successive iota at a time. Then you have to find a convenient scapegoat to distract attention from you own doings.

 

[XS650]

Originally Posted By: TooManyWheels


Basically, it is manipulative and coercive, and just generally shady. You wake up twenty years down the road and say "What happened to our national values"? Well, you deliberately perverted them, one successive iota at a time. Then you have to find a convenient scapegoat to distract attention from you own doings.


We are well down that road. The large majority of people responsible the go to war decisions have not served in the military and are at no risk of having to serve in the military, nor are their children or other family members. A mercenary military would only further enable the chickenhawks.

 

[TooManyWheels]

Actually we already have a mercenary military, for both foreign and domestic operations. The abuses, both potential and already realized, are rampant.

 

[Gary Allan]

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Basically, it is manipulative and coercive, and just generally shady.




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We are well down that road


Exactly. I don't care if it's a merc' army or our REAL army pulling adventurous enterprises. Nor do I see a difference in robbing me of my "American equity" in the form of limp wrist immigration enforcement or unthrottled transfers of wealth to other nations ..all at my expense.

This was semi-tongue in cheek. Oddly, I feel that everyone should do 3-4 years of federal service just to get socialized. I think that this too would be "shady'ised" in that it would provide perpetual fodder for whatever power structure exists.

 

[sprintman]

Most of he 'ex Americans' have moved to Australia as there sure are a lot of them here in Canberra. Tree surgeon, mexican restaurant owner, serviced office manager, cafe worker you name it. One thing I have noticed, all have university education.

 

[moribundman]

Originally Posted By: Oldmoparguy1
Some of those places are high tax, oppressive government places.

With dual citizenship, they may opt to pay income takes in either country. The rules vary. For retirees, the rules may again be different, possibly depending on where they keep their funds.


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I'm sure there are reasons for these folks to move.


- better or more affordable healthcare
- higher live expectancy
- higher standards in education
- personal safety
- friendlier people
- slower way of life without the 24/7 focus on making money

 

[MarkC]

"- personal safety..." *** What!!? With all our personal weapons, we're not safe?

"- slower way of life without the 24/7 focus on making money"...

**Blasphemy!!

 

[moribundman]

I must now hang my head in shame.

 

[Tempest]

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"- slower way of life without the 24/7 focus on making money"...

Hope were they are moving to doesn't have a booming population...

 

[Oldmoparguy1]

Originally Posted By: moribundman
Originally Posted By: Oldmoparguy1
Some of those places are high tax, oppressive government places.

With dual citizenship, they may opt to pay income takes in either country. The rules vary. For retirees, the rules may again be different, possibly depending on where they keep their funds.


Quote:
I'm sure there are reasons for these folks to move.


- better or more affordable healthcare
- higher live expectancy
- higher standards in education
- personal safety
- friendlier people
- slower way of life without the 24/7 focus on making money


I understand.

Most of these issues were relevent for me and my family when I moved to NC from MI. Now we are being overrun with illegals, gangs and escalating taxes and cost of living. When my wife retires in 4-5 years, we may have to move again. I'm already looking.

 

[MinivanMauler]

Okay, call me a negative Nancy, but...

didn't the French Foreign Legion once attempt an overthrow of the French democratic government?

And yes, I realize this fact may very well serve as a recruitment tool.

 

[moribundman]

Another flaw in Gary's suggestion is that he assumes every illegal immigrant wants citizenship. Not even legal, permanent resident aliens may want citizenship.

Besides, why does Gary think that all illegal immigrants would be fit for military service?

PS: I am all for mandatory civil or military service of every citizen after completing secondary schooling/pre uni. I had to serve my country and I had no issue with that concept or the actual service.

 

[Gary Allan]

Well, I'd suggest that where you have a pathway to citizenship you don't necessarily have to have the same standards that you would for your primary military. That is, there can be many functions that can be performed that do not require 18-24 year old men/women.

It won't matter if they don't want citizenship. Once there's backing for a legit pathway to citizenship ...legal status ..then the incentive to kick their thieving invading stealing hides back where they came shall fuel "the will" to make life more difficult here than elsewhere. You just make the service the penalty for capture as an illegal. If they can't fit in ..they go to jail ..whatever it takes to make occupation as an invasion force (organized or otherwise) a fate worse than awaits them elsewhere. I really don't care where elsewhere is.

 

[moribundman]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
You just make the service the penalty for capture as an illegal.


That's not what you said earlier. Need I quote from what you said?

Anyway, the inability or the lack of willingness to catch illegals, all but renders your plan bound to fail.

Make the borders impermeable and introduce mandatory national ID cards without which nobody can work, get a driver's license, use a bank, rent a car, register a vehicle, rent or buy housing, etc. It's not rocket science.

 

[Gary Allan]

But how does that provide merc's to do our real dirty work?? I'm looking to be REAL support for controlling this problem. It's costing us tax wise ..it's costing us in urban decay and surely some criminal activity. Not all are seeking a better way of life or "The American Dream" ..some are seeking a 'easier' way of life as an alternative to the law enforcement of their former location.