Word on the street about hard drives.

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I've had Western Digital, Quantum and now Maxtor drives. After trying in vain to help a friend rescue his 80gb drive from certain death, and after dealing with bad sectors on my Maxtor 40gb, I'm not partial to them.

I understand Seagate is better but I think I'd go with Western Digital again.

Any thoughts? Assuming the performance is adequate, longevity/durability is of primary concern. 80gb would be fine, and still using PATA (old ATA).
 
I've been happy with Hitachi drives... two in my notebooks (2.5" ATA) and one in external enclosure (3.5" SATA). But honestly, these are all mechanical devices and will eventually fail. The only way to ensure the safety of your data is to do backups or have a mirror.
 
I agree with QP, they all are mechanical devices and are prone to failure.

However, I've seen more Hitachi's die than any other. Look for A/V quality disks from Seagate or WD, then read user opinions on them and purchase the one you like better.

THEN purchase a second one for redundancy's sake cuz the 1st one will fail you, no matter what disk you purchase. (what QP said, again)
 
Thanks guys. I am also a great believer in redundancy, but I wanted to see if there were any obvious HD duds available.
 
maxtor is seagate's value line if it makes any difference to you. I haven't noticed any difference between WD and maxtor, both have had irreparable crashes for me.
 
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I had a western digital drive die a slow death. Was able to save all data, just took a while to offload.

Their online support had a test program that I downloaded, ran, and it said the drive was bad.

I had no receipt, but they were willing to warranty the thing based on date of manufacture. Gave them a credit card # and they would have "sold" me a new drive at a prorated price, b/c the drive was obsolete! Mailed the dud old drive back, they confirmed it was junk, and my card was never charged. Real good experience.
 
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Here is some info on hard drives. Speed, info, etc.

Link To Web Site

Drives are not expensive. Go for a fast internal drive and a good external drive for backups.

With a computer it is not a question of if one will have a crash but when.
 
I can say this: all hard drives fail. Eventually, they all do. EIDE and SCSI. I've had IBMs (now Hitachi) go. I've had WDs go. I've had Maxtors go. Haven't yet had a Seagate "go", but we have one that might be starting to. Haven't bought a Samsung yet. The issue is setting up your data storage systems to accommodate that fact. Buy for redundancy.

That said, the better drives will fail outside of their useful life curve, which I find to be about 3-5 years, depending on the application. I've got a couple drives still in service with over 10 years 24/7 mileage on them. Those are old WD grunts. But 1.2 gb isn't very useful in 2007.

Right now, I think Seagates "tend" to be more reliable than others in my experience. WD drives can offer better short-term (1-2 year service) value in non-enterprise models. What I see with WD drives right now is a high incidence of infant mortality. Like 50%. But that is usually a DOA issue with the vendor before any data is committed.

Still, I just had a large WD RE2 series drive fail after one year, which shouldn't happen. Were it not for a backup drive set, close to 500gb would have been lost. So why do I use a WD drive if Seagates tend to be more reliable? Much better RMA response, which is more important if good data protection systems are in place. Seagate RMA can be a major PITA according to others who have had to deal with it. I had a fresh crossshipped RE2 in about a week.

Don't necessarily rely on the reviews on places like newegg. They tend to be overweighted with problem reviews. People without problems are less likely to write about it.
 
I typically build my computers so I usually keep drives until they get so small (by current standards) that they are worthless or they die since they almost always get moved to the "new" computer. I've never had the opportunity to outgrow a WD drive because they have all died first. I have outgrown 2 Seagate drives and 1 Maxtor. I still use a WD 100GB ATA drive (warranty replacement) and a WD 120 GB USB external drive. My main drive is a Seagate 160 GB SATA. I plan to buy more Seagate drives soon and have a 4 drive set up. I've been happy with my Seagate drives and don't plan to buy anymore WD drives. I've had 4-5 failures over the last 10 years with them.
 
I've had good luck with Seagate and Maxtor drives.

WD drives used to fail like clockwork for me. Warranty expires, drive dies within 2 weeks.

I currently have a WD SATA II drive in an external enclosure that is attached to my PVR. Only reason why I got the WD was because that particular drive perfectly matches the specs of the internal drive. If it wasn't for that, I would not have purchased the WD drive.
 
Originally Posted By: ToyotaNSaturn
I agree with QP, they all are mechanical devices and are prone to failure.

However, I've seen more Hitachi's die than any other. Look for A/V quality disks from Seagate or WD, then read user opinions on them and purchase the one you like better.

THEN purchase a second one for redundancy's sake cuz the 1st one will fail you, no matter what disk you purchase. (what QP said, again)


I'm presently frustrated at losing my data on my broken Hitachi HD... From personal experience, I'd avoid Hitachi.
Specs: Hitachi Deskstar 164GB/7200 RPM
 
Originally Posted By: DmanWho


I'm presently frustrated at losing my data on my broken Hitachi HD... From personal experience, I'd avoid Hitachi.
Specs: Hitachi Deskstar 164GB/7200 RPM


The nickname for some of these are "Deathstars".
 
Let me preface things by saying I've been "in computers" since 1988, and I've been a computer professional since 1996 or so.
I've been doing Linux since 1995, and have been involved in nearly every aspect of computers from hardware mass production to computer programming (my current vocation). I've *personally* built in excess of 1000 machines (one-thousand).

When it comes to hard drives, I hope the following is useful:

0. Hard drives are DISPOSABLE. They WILL fail. The longest I've had is 9 years and the shortest is a few hours. The average is 3-5 years before they ought to be replaced anyway.

1. A good model or manufacturer today might be junk tomorrow (however...)

2. However, there are trends and generalizations that can be made.

3. Notebook drives cannot be compared to desktop drives

4. Desktop drives cannot usually be compared to server-class hardware.

Now, for my observations:

1. Western Digital is OK for consumer grade stuff. Their quality is *much* improved over 5 years ago. I would buy it but it's not my first choice.

2. Seagate comes and goes. Some *models* are great, others terrible. My long-term experience with *thousands* of Seagate hard drives is that I personally wouldn't pay money for them.

3. Maxtor is Seagate's cheaper line. I find them to be cheap, disposable, and reliable over their lifetime, which isn't long. Fine for bulk storage.

4. Samsung - quiet, energy efficient, and reliable. My last Samsung lasted 7 years in 24/7 server operation. Not the fastest, but *quiet* and low vibration. Can't even tell it's on.

5. Fujitsu - somewhat more expensive, VERY good. In my opinion, Fujitsu is slightly better than Samsung but both are top-tier.

6. Hitachi - yes, they had a bad run of drives with the older deskstars. Every manuf. has that happen, it just happened to be quite pervasive. I can name a few manuf. nearly bankrupted by small details like "eventually the bearing lubricant turns into sand". I'd buy them, but again, I'd buy others first.

When it comes to notebook drives I'm a big fan of Fujitsu, and I won't use anybody but Fujitsu or Samsung in notebooks.

Due to the pervasive personality types on this board, however, don't be fooled into thinking that there is a significant difference in drive quality - just like most engine oils, just about anything you buy will do the job and probably last just as long as anything else - there are some better drives and some worse drives to choose from but the bottom line is that it's just not a big deal. Personally, I buy quality hardware and use it thoroughly. I will often recycle computer hardware to those that have more need for it than I, and my needs are modest.

Have a good day.
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I believe Hitachi bought IBM's consumer drive business, so those Hitachi drives are probably re-branded IBM drives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitachi_Deskstar


Back in the late '80s and early '90s, when IBM was still designing and making (most of) them, they were the best in the Biz. They started to have some issues by 2000, but were still a serious cut above Maxtor and WD (WDs were flat terrible then). Right before the Hitachi deal, things started to slide.

The "Deathstar" thing was isolated to a couple models, but they happened to be very popular models.

Hitachi makes a decent drive today.

Maxtors have always been "cheap" (not just on product pricing), which is why they're now part of Seagate.

But buy drives based on the warranty & RMA policies and have a solid backup plan. They ALL fail, even the enterprise models. It's an exercise in statistics. Plan for a 3 year service life, and you should stay ahead of the averages.
 
What is the industry standard for the length of desktop HDD warranty? I think the Hitachi SATA drive that I bought last year has a 5 year warranty.
 
Hitachi does offer a 5 year warranty on their HD's, when purchased as a stand alone. In my case, the HD came with the desktop,(emachine) and only a 1 year warranty. The Hitachi Deskstar was made in '05. I purchased the desktop "new" Jan. '06, and the Hitachi HD 'fried' March '07.
 
Originally Posted By: Jon
Personally, I buy quality hardware and use it thoroughly. I will often recycle computer hardware to those that have more need for it than I, and my needs are modest.


Thanks!
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Appreciate the feedback. Typically I see A LOT of Hitachi, Maxtor, Western Digital and Seagate drives for sale - not very many Samsung or Fujitsu.
 
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