I have owned three Camaro's. The only trouble they ever gave me was routine maintenance previous owners didn't do and a fried motor due to GM's epic fail, the optishit. My mom's family has always bought Ford and they've always have had problems with them. The transmission in my Grandma's Mercury [censored] twice. Her Taurus was just [censored] and my moms really old Fairlane NEVER liked to start. My fathers 90 Ranger was the BEST Ford we've EVER owned. Hit a deer twice with it. Ran like new until the day we traded it for our then new 97 Exploder. Another vehicle that was prone to breaking things. My grandfather on my dads side built transmissions for GM I believe so of course they always had GM vehicles and usually didn't have problems. Recently Chrysler is the vehicle of choice in the family. So far over the past 5 years absolutely no problem with them.
Wonder why GM is having trouble?
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^^ someone got butthurt on the optispark. How'd you fry a motor with a failed optispark? You know it's just like a dist and needs maintenance too 
I'm not sure. After a plug and wire change it started miss firing. I was on my way home around 20-30 miles from at the time g/f's house. It started missing and overheated twice. I let it set for a good hour and topped off the cooling system. I drove it about 10 more miles miss firing like a banshee and I just lost power and could barely move itself. I raise the hood and the radiator had cracked and the motor was smoking. It still started and ran but she was toast.
Originally Posted By: Beachboy
Do people not pay cash for cars anymore? Or is my family the oddities. We have never borrowed money for a car. My grandparents, my parents, and I've paid cash for every car we've owned and I plan to do so until the day I die. What's so difficult about setting aside a few hundred dollars a month in savings for that next car? Sometimes I wish the whole banking credit industry would go away and force people to live within their means.
I would say you are out of touch w/ how the majority of people live. what's so difficult, you ask? taxes and interest rates going up quicker than income is one reason. an accident or unemployment can set someone back many years. I'm still carrying debt from when times were tight. I found myself laid off 4 times in 5 yrs, but I managed to keep my house.
if someone needs a car to get to work to save money to buy a car so they can get to work, they most likely need to finance it, or they buy a clunker, then need to use a charge card to pay for repairs.
many peoples' living expenses are about equal w/ their income, the 'working poor'. and many times it's no fault of their own, just the way it is.
Do people not pay cash for cars anymore? Or is my family the oddities. We have never borrowed money for a car. My grandparents, my parents, and I've paid cash for every car we've owned and I plan to do so until the day I die. What's so difficult about setting aside a few hundred dollars a month in savings for that next car? Sometimes I wish the whole banking credit industry would go away and force people to live within their means.
I would say you are out of touch w/ how the majority of people live. what's so difficult, you ask? taxes and interest rates going up quicker than income is one reason. an accident or unemployment can set someone back many years. I'm still carrying debt from when times were tight. I found myself laid off 4 times in 5 yrs, but I managed to keep my house.
if someone needs a car to get to work to save money to buy a car so they can get to work, they most likely need to finance it, or they buy a clunker, then need to use a charge card to pay for repairs.
many peoples' living expenses are about equal w/ their income, the 'working poor'. and many times it's no fault of their own, just the way it is.
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
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No matter HOW a thread starts 'round here it always becomes a GM bashing thread about this or that [censored] GM car once owned. This one hit the record with the 3rd response starting the wave of "me twos"..
now, you can see why your company is in financial trouble...
yeah - everybody is stuck in the 70's 80's and 90's beating the same old dead horse.
Making bad cars for 30 years is the problem. The current cars have no real history to show that they really are better. It takes decades to prove the reliability and just a few bad years to destroy your reputation. I generally buy used cars that have a proven reliability so I know what I'm getting. No one want's to pay thousands and be a beta tester.
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
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No matter HOW a thread starts 'round here it always becomes a GM bashing thread about this or that [censored] GM car once owned. This one hit the record with the 3rd response starting the wave of "me twos"..
now, you can see why your company is in financial trouble...
Making bad cars for 30 years is the problem. The current cars have no real history to show that they really are better. It takes decades to prove the reliability and just a few bad years to destroy your reputation. I generally buy used cars that have a proven reliability so I know what I'm getting. No one want's to pay thousands and be a beta tester.
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Originally Posted By: westwind999
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
***??
No matter HOW a thread starts 'round here it always becomes a GM bashing thread about this or that [censored] GM car once owned. This one hit the record with the 3rd response starting the wave of "me twos"..
now, you can see why your company is in financial trouble...
yeah - everybody is stuck in the 70's 80's and 90's beating the same old dead horse.
Making bad cars for 30 years is the problem. The current cars have no real history to show that they really are better. It takes decades to prove the reliability and just a few bad years to destroy your reputation. I generally buy used cars that have a proven reliability so I know what I'm getting. No one want's to pay thousands and be a beta tester.
Hold on a second here:
Your post in the Subaru thread:
Originally Posted By: westwind999
Subaru's are awesome cars, the head gasket issue is pretty much the only issue. If you're handy with some wrenches the SOHC gaskets aren't too tough to change so if it's out of warranty the cost is low. Any leaks usually give lots of warning if you check your levels so it's fairly rare to ruin the engine. I really miss the old EJ22 though, that engine was totally bullet proof. I still have an old 92 Legacy with that motor, our 99 Forester has a SOHC 2.5 that is just starting to leak. I guess a gasket change in the spring will fix that and it should be good for another 100,000 or so.
So, a Subaru with a head-gasket problem is an awesome car, but a GM with an intake gasket problem is junk?
Hmmmmm............
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
***??
No matter HOW a thread starts 'round here it always becomes a GM bashing thread about this or that [censored] GM car once owned. This one hit the record with the 3rd response starting the wave of "me twos"..
now, you can see why your company is in financial trouble...
Making bad cars for 30 years is the problem. The current cars have no real history to show that they really are better. It takes decades to prove the reliability and just a few bad years to destroy your reputation. I generally buy used cars that have a proven reliability so I know what I'm getting. No one want's to pay thousands and be a beta tester.
Hold on a second here:
Your post in the Subaru thread:
Originally Posted By: westwind999
Subaru's are awesome cars, the head gasket issue is pretty much the only issue. If you're handy with some wrenches the SOHC gaskets aren't too tough to change so if it's out of warranty the cost is low. Any leaks usually give lots of warning if you check your levels so it's fairly rare to ruin the engine. I really miss the old EJ22 though, that engine was totally bullet proof. I still have an old 92 Legacy with that motor, our 99 Forester has a SOHC 2.5 that is just starting to leak. I guess a gasket change in the spring will fix that and it should be good for another 100,000 or so.
So, a Subaru with a head-gasket problem is an awesome car, but a GM with an intake gasket problem is junk?
Hmmmmm............
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: westwind999
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
***??
No matter HOW a thread starts 'round here it always becomes a GM bashing thread about this or that [censored] GM car once owned. This one hit the record with the 3rd response starting the wave of "me twos"..
now, you can see why your company is in financial trouble...
yeah - everybody is stuck in the 70's 80's and 90's beating the same old dead horse.
Making bad cars for 30 years is the problem. The current cars have no real history to show that they really are better. It takes decades to prove the reliability and just a few bad years to destroy your reputation. I generally buy used cars that have a proven reliability so I know what I'm getting. No one want's to pay thousands and be a beta tester.
Hold on a second here:
Your post in the Subaru thread:
Originally Posted By: westwind999
Subaru's are awesome cars, the head gasket issue is pretty much the only issue. If you're handy with some wrenches the SOHC gaskets aren't too tough to change so if it's out of warranty the cost is low. Any leaks usually give lots of warning if you check your levels so it's fairly rare to ruin the engine. I really miss the old EJ22 though, that engine was totally bullet proof. I still have an old 92 Legacy with that motor, our 99 Forester has a SOHC 2.5 that is just starting to leak. I guess a gasket change in the spring will fix that and it should be good for another 100,000 or so.
So, a Subaru with a head-gasket problem is an awesome car, but a GM with an intake gasket problem is junk?
Hmmmmm............
because everything else about the Subaru is fantastic.. And the rest of it won't fall apart in 100K miles..
Originally Posted By: westwind999
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
***??
No matter HOW a thread starts 'round here it always becomes a GM bashing thread about this or that [censored] GM car once owned. This one hit the record with the 3rd response starting the wave of "me twos"..
now, you can see why your company is in financial trouble...
Making bad cars for 30 years is the problem. The current cars have no real history to show that they really are better. It takes decades to prove the reliability and just a few bad years to destroy your reputation. I generally buy used cars that have a proven reliability so I know what I'm getting. No one want's to pay thousands and be a beta tester.
Hold on a second here:
Your post in the Subaru thread:
Originally Posted By: westwind999
Subaru's are awesome cars, the head gasket issue is pretty much the only issue. If you're handy with some wrenches the SOHC gaskets aren't too tough to change so if it's out of warranty the cost is low. Any leaks usually give lots of warning if you check your levels so it's fairly rare to ruin the engine. I really miss the old EJ22 though, that engine was totally bullet proof. I still have an old 92 Legacy with that motor, our 99 Forester has a SOHC 2.5 that is just starting to leak. I guess a gasket change in the spring will fix that and it should be good for another 100,000 or so.
So, a Subaru with a head-gasket problem is an awesome car, but a GM with an intake gasket problem is junk?
Hmmmmm............
because everything else about the Subaru is fantastic.. And the rest of it won't fall apart in 100K miles..
I think a little bit may have to do with what you pay for too...
When we bought my wife's 03 Cavalier new, I think we paid like a tad over 10 grand for it. and I wasn't expecting much either.
Short of the Visor, dash rattle, and a bit of creeping rust (will be fixed this spring), it has been a very good car. I think in 6 years I put a fuel pump on, and it's due for new tires.
GM's powertrains seem to hold up well, but some of those cars will just nickel and dime you to death...
The Blazer is a prime example of that....
When we bought my wife's 03 Cavalier new, I think we paid like a tad over 10 grand for it. and I wasn't expecting much either.
Short of the Visor, dash rattle, and a bit of creeping rust (will be fixed this spring), it has been a very good car. I think in 6 years I put a fuel pump on, and it's due for new tires.
GM's powertrains seem to hold up well, but some of those cars will just nickel and dime you to death...
The Blazer is a prime example of that....
Originally Posted By: Buffman
^^ someone got butthurt on the optispark. How'd you fry a motor with a failed optispark? You know it's just like a dist and needs maintenance too
I was wondering the same. I've got a 94 vette with the opti-[censored] and you just can't fry a motor from lack of spark!
^^ someone got butthurt on the optispark. How'd you fry a motor with a failed optispark? You know it's just like a dist and needs maintenance too
I was wondering the same. I've got a 94 vette with the opti-[censored] and you just can't fry a motor from lack of spark!
People buy cars on credit because they buy beyond their means. Just just "need" that V6 option, no matter what! Kids braces be [censored]. Retirement be [censored]. Gotta have the spinners too, dang it!
This is odd behavoir.
We now live in a world where wrong is "rignt", and right is "odd".
I too pay for all my cars cash. If I can't pay for that super nice luxury car cash, then I know I can't afford it. Although being a millionaire, I find it funny that I bought a brand new Yaris, bottom of the line Toyota. I could affory d nearly any Mercedes or BMW or Lexus cash, but why would I throw away years of retirement security?
At the end of the day, most car purchases made by loan cannot be financially justified by the buyer. And in fact most Lexus buyers can't truly afford their purchases. Although they would argue with what I write by saying "hey I can come up with the monthly payment, no problems, so this "proves" I can afford it". The reality is that those "affordable" payments are greatly eroding their retirement years...for example $1 today converted to retirement dollars is an expected $5 or more dollars. I know, I am odd ;-)
As to GM cars, defending them is impossible. All the proof one needs that they make a lot of craap cars is their current situation. Indefensable, to be sure.
And I never owned a GM car that I didn't end up hating later...true for all three of them.
This is odd behavoir.
We now live in a world where wrong is "rignt", and right is "odd".
I too pay for all my cars cash. If I can't pay for that super nice luxury car cash, then I know I can't afford it. Although being a millionaire, I find it funny that I bought a brand new Yaris, bottom of the line Toyota. I could affory d nearly any Mercedes or BMW or Lexus cash, but why would I throw away years of retirement security?
At the end of the day, most car purchases made by loan cannot be financially justified by the buyer. And in fact most Lexus buyers can't truly afford their purchases. Although they would argue with what I write by saying "hey I can come up with the monthly payment, no problems, so this "proves" I can afford it". The reality is that those "affordable" payments are greatly eroding their retirement years...for example $1 today converted to retirement dollars is an expected $5 or more dollars. I know, I am odd ;-)
As to GM cars, defending them is impossible. All the proof one needs that they make a lot of craap cars is their current situation. Indefensable, to be sure.
And I never owned a GM car that I didn't end up hating later...true for all three of them.
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Originally Posted By: lovcom
As to GM cars, defending them is impossible. All the proof one needs that they make a lot of craap cars is their current situation. Indefensable, to be sure.
And I never owned a GM car that I didn't end up hating later...true for all three of them.
Now, up to your point about GM, I can agree with.
BUT, Building these "[censored]" cars is not the only reason.
It is much more complex than that.
You might want to read up more about it, my friend.
Starting with the UAW angle........
As to GM cars, defending them is impossible. All the proof one needs that they make a lot of craap cars is their current situation. Indefensable, to be sure.
And I never owned a GM car that I didn't end up hating later...true for all three of them.
Now, up to your point about GM, I can agree with.
BUT, Building these "[censored]" cars is not the only reason.
It is much more complex than that.
You might want to read up more about it, my friend.
Starting with the UAW angle........
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Originally Posted By: peterdaniel
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: westwind999
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
***??
No matter HOW a thread starts 'round here it always becomes a GM bashing thread about this or that [censored] GM car once owned. This one hit the record with the 3rd response starting the wave of "me twos"..
now, you can see why your company is in financial trouble...
yeah - everybody is stuck in the 70's 80's and 90's beating the same old dead horse.
Making bad cars for 30 years is the problem. The current cars have no real history to show that they really are better. It takes decades to prove the reliability and just a few bad years to destroy your reputation. I generally buy used cars that have a proven reliability so I know what I'm getting. No one want's to pay thousands and be a beta tester.
Hold on a second here:
Your post in the Subaru thread:
Originally Posted By: westwind999
Subaru's are awesome cars, the head gasket issue is pretty much the only issue. If you're handy with some wrenches the SOHC gaskets aren't too tough to change so if it's out of warranty the cost is low. Any leaks usually give lots of warning if you check your levels so it's fairly rare to ruin the engine. I really miss the old EJ22 though, that engine was totally bullet proof. I still have an old 92 Legacy with that motor, our 99 Forester has a SOHC 2.5 that is just starting to leak. I guess a gasket change in the spring will fix that and it should be good for another 100,000 or so.
So, a Subaru with a head-gasket problem is an awesome car, but a GM with an intake gasket problem is junk?
Hmmmmm............
because everything else about the Subaru is fantastic.. And the rest of it won't fall apart in 100K miles..
I've seen a LOT of 100+K GM's. I would never own a GM (I have in the past) but to condemn them based on one flaw, then praise another manufacturer that has an equal flaw because they are a fan of the brand is sort of silly.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: westwind999
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
***??
No matter HOW a thread starts 'round here it always becomes a GM bashing thread about this or that [censored] GM car once owned. This one hit the record with the 3rd response starting the wave of "me twos"..
now, you can see why your company is in financial trouble...
Making bad cars for 30 years is the problem. The current cars have no real history to show that they really are better. It takes decades to prove the reliability and just a few bad years to destroy your reputation. I generally buy used cars that have a proven reliability so I know what I'm getting. No one want's to pay thousands and be a beta tester.
Hold on a second here:
Your post in the Subaru thread:
Originally Posted By: westwind999
Subaru's are awesome cars, the head gasket issue is pretty much the only issue. If you're handy with some wrenches the SOHC gaskets aren't too tough to change so if it's out of warranty the cost is low. Any leaks usually give lots of warning if you check your levels so it's fairly rare to ruin the engine. I really miss the old EJ22 though, that engine was totally bullet proof. I still have an old 92 Legacy with that motor, our 99 Forester has a SOHC 2.5 that is just starting to leak. I guess a gasket change in the spring will fix that and it should be good for another 100,000 or so.
So, a Subaru with a head-gasket problem is an awesome car, but a GM with an intake gasket problem is junk?
Hmmmmm............
because everything else about the Subaru is fantastic.. And the rest of it won't fall apart in 100K miles..
I've seen a LOT of 100+K GM's. I would never own a GM (I have in the past) but to condemn them based on one flaw, then praise another manufacturer that has an equal flaw because they are a fan of the brand is sort of silly.
Originally Posted By: stockrex
ma $51k chevy truck is noisy in 4 wheel drive. I took it to dealership, I was told is a fluffing feature to keep me awake while I drive at hwy speed.
needless to say that next vehicle I buy this year will be a merc or lexus.
Sounds like something simple-just take it to another dealership...
ma $51k chevy truck is noisy in 4 wheel drive. I took it to dealership, I was told is a fluffing feature to keep me awake while I drive at hwy speed.
needless to say that next vehicle I buy this year will be a merc or lexus.
Sounds like something simple-just take it to another dealership...
Originally Posted By: stockrex
ma $51k chevy truck is noisy in 4 wheel drive. I took it to dealership, I was told is a fluffing feature to keep me awake while I drive at hwy speed.
needless to say that next vehicle I buy this year will be a merc or lexus.
Why would you drive at highway speeds in 4wd? You do realize that it's not designed for that and you can severly damage the 4wd system right?
THIS is why GM is having trouble. It's from owners abusing their vehicles, and then blaming the manufacturer when the car breaks, not their own stupidity.
ma $51k chevy truck is noisy in 4 wheel drive. I took it to dealership, I was told is a fluffing feature to keep me awake while I drive at hwy speed.
needless to say that next vehicle I buy this year will be a merc or lexus.
Why would you drive at highway speeds in 4wd? You do realize that it's not designed for that and you can severly damage the 4wd system right?
THIS is why GM is having trouble. It's from owners abusing their vehicles, and then blaming the manufacturer when the car breaks, not their own stupidity.
Not sure where in the manual i would find that driving at hwy speeds in 4wd will damage my drive line, I think it mentions not do it in dry pavement,
here in michigan, few times during winter we get a foot or more of those white fuffy thing called snow and the interstate and the corn field next door looks the same.
exranger, pls educate this stupid noob where in GMs owners manual it says not to drive in 4wd on the Hwy.
Originally Posted By: exranger06
Originally Posted By: stockrex
ma $51k chevy truck is noisy in 4 wheel drive. I took it to dealership, I was told is a fluffing feature to keep me awake while I drive at hwy speed.
needless to say that next vehicle I buy this year will be a merc or lexus.
Why would you drive at highway speeds in 4wd? You do realize that it's not designed for that and you can severly damage the 4wd system right?
THIS is why GM is having trouble. It's from owners abusing their vehicles, and then blaming the manufacturer when the car breaks, not their own stupidity.
here in michigan, few times during winter we get a foot or more of those white fuffy thing called snow and the interstate and the corn field next door looks the same.
exranger, pls educate this stupid noob where in GMs owners manual it says not to drive in 4wd on the Hwy.
Originally Posted By: exranger06
Originally Posted By: stockrex
ma $51k chevy truck is noisy in 4 wheel drive. I took it to dealership, I was told is a fluffing feature to keep me awake while I drive at hwy speed.
needless to say that next vehicle I buy this year will be a merc or lexus.
Why would you drive at highway speeds in 4wd? You do realize that it's not designed for that and you can severly damage the 4wd system right?
THIS is why GM is having trouble. It's from owners abusing their vehicles, and then blaming the manufacturer when the car breaks, not their own stupidity.
Highway speeds are fine for 4WD as long as there is a way for the wheels to slip. Driving at highway speeds on snow or ice is fine, but as soon as you enter dry pavement, switch to 2WD.
As far as your noise....the only suggestion I have is a bearing in the transfer case.
As far as your noise....the only suggestion I have is a bearing in the transfer case.
Originally Posted By: ViragoBry
Driving at highway speeds on snow or ice is fine
Just stay the [censored] away from me when you do it, especially when the time comes that you have to slow down!
Driving at highway speeds on snow or ice is fine
Just stay the [censored] away from me when you do it, especially when the time comes that you have to slow down!
Believe me, I understand your fear. But living in Wyoming as long as I did, you see things that you won't see often in big cities. If you were afraid to drive on ice up there, you'd stay home from October - April. I regularly drove 60+mph on I-90 between Gillette and Rapid City on snow and ice, because you could do it up there without crashing into someone else. Everyone was going that fast or faster, and they all now how to drive on it.
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