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Originally Posted by Nyogtha
Yes you continue to repeatedly voice opinion whether solicited or not. I also neither requested nor require yor opinion of how an internet chat board works. My posts,are regarding logic, certainly not a requirement on an internet chat board as well illustrated here.


So what ... this is a chat board. I'll voice my opinion in any thread I want to. I didn't know anybody couldn't post unless "solicited" to do so. Not sure about your "logic". Funny stuff.
 
For example, all engines specifying a 3387A filter for example would have to fit in the flow and BPV requirements for that model, while engines requiring a different flow range or BPV setting would require a different filter model in my example. Your post fails to adequately explain why this would not be a logical possibility thus far. GM was able to successfully design engines operating with different flow rates and BPV requirements using a range of oil filters constructed without BPV's in empirical fact.
 
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Originally Posted by Nyogtha
For example, all engines specifying a 3387A filter for example would have to fit in the flow and BPV requirements for that model, while engines requiring a different flow range or BPV setting would require a different filter model in my example. Your post fails to adequately explain why this would not be a logical possibility thus far.


You're going to have to explain yourself a bit more. Yeah, what's so magical about engines that have a different flow range or BPV setting requiring a different filter model? Why do you think there are so many models of oil filters?

Realize that if filter Model A meets the specs for the most extreme vehicle parameters (max pump flow, thickest expected viscosity and cold temps, etc) in the vehicle application list, that it will also meet the requirements of all the other vehicles in the list with less stringent parameters.
 
Originally Posted by Nyogtha
GM was able to successfully design engines operating with different flow rates and BPV requirements using a range of oil filters constructed without BPV's in empirical fact.


Tell me exactly what GM engines have an in-block bypass valve, and how those engines differ in their max oil pump flow performance. And do you even know what the GM in-block BPV is set to?
 
I have owned and maintained inmy family many HM engines ranging from 4 cylindrr to 454 8 that required different model oil filters manufactured with no BPV., owing to my vintage and breadth of life experience. Logically, why did GM require different filter models for these various engines?
 
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by Nyogtha
For example, all engines specifying a 3387A filter for example would have to fit in the flow and BPV requirements for that model, while engines requiring a different flow range or BPV setting would require a different filter model in my example. Your post fails to adequately explain why this would not be a logical possibility thus far.


You're going to have to explain yourself a bit more. Yeah, what's so magical about engines that have a different flow range or BPV setting requiring a different filter model? Why do you think there are so many models of oil filters?

Realize that if filter Model A meets the specs for the most extreme vehicle parameters (max pump flow, thickest expected viscosity and cold temps, etc) in the application list, that it will also meet the requirements of all the other vehicles with less stringent parameters.

No not necessarily. Think about all the ways you could be wrong right now.
 
Originally Posted by Nyogtha
I have owned and maintained inmy family many HM engines ranging from 4 cylindrr to 454 8 that required different model oil filters manufactured with no BPV., owing to my vintage and breadth of life experience. Logically, why did GM require different filter models for these various engines?


Filter model is not solely based on the BPV setting. Size, threads, mounting location, etc all play a role. How do you know the in-block BPVs were set different. Do you even know what they are set to, because GM does not advertise that spec in any GM shop manual I've looked at.
 
Originally Posted by Ablebody
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by Nyogtha
For example, all engines specifying a 3387A filter for example would have to fit in the flow and BPV requirements for that model, while engines requiring a different flow range or BPV setting would require a different filter model in my example. Your post fails to adequately explain why this would not be a logical possibility thus far.


You're going to have to explain yourself a bit more. Yeah, what's so magical about engines that have a different flow range or BPV setting requiring a different filter model? Why do you think there are so many models of oil filters?

Realize that if filter Model A meets the specs for the most extreme vehicle parameters (max pump flow, thickest expected viscosity and cold temps, etc) in the application list, that it will also meet the requirements of all the other vehicles with less stringent parameters.

No not necessarily. Think about all the ways you could be wrong right now.


Speak up ... let's see if you can get technical in this discussion or just state misconceptions.
 
Originally Posted by Nyogtha
Thank you Ablebody for following a logical train of thought.


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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by Nyogtha
I have owned and maintained inmy family many HM engines ranging from 4 cylindrr to 454 8 that required different model oil filters manufactured with no BPV., owing to my vintage and breadth of life experience. Logically, why did GM require different filter models for these various engines?


Filter model is not solely based on the BPV setting. Size, threads, mounting location, etc all play a role. How do you know the in-block BPVs were set different. Do you even know what they are set to, because GM does not advertise that spec in any GM shop manual I've looked at.

I never posted that they were or even must be set differently between different models, only that they be constructed in accordance with requirements for the engines they,are specified for, and vice-versa.

In mayhematics and logic, a single value can satisfy the definition of a range.
 
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Originally Posted by Nyogtha
Waiting for a logical response, thus far only from Ablebody.


That wasn't even a response, let along "logical" ... just typical drivel. I want him to explain technically why he thinks that's wrong. You can respond too ... that's an "official solicitation".
 
Originally Posted by Nyogtha
I never posted that they were or even must be set differently between different models, only that they be constructed in accordance with requirements for the engines they,are specified for, and vice-versa.


I don't know what you've been reading, but the part in red is what I've been basically saying all along. If there are 200 vehicles in an application list for filter Model A, and that filter meets the design requirements of the most demanding vehicle in the list, then it's also going to meet the requirements of the other vehicles in the list that have less demanding design requirements. Why do you think all these aftermarket filter makers have vehicle application lists that have many vehicles taking the same oil filter?
 
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by Nyogtha
I never posted that they were or even must be set differently between different models, only that they be constructed in accordance with requirements for the engines they,are specified for, and vice-versa.


I don't know what you've been reading, but the part in red is what I've been basically saying all along. If there are 200 vehicles in an application list for filter Model A, and that filter meets the design requirements of the most demanding vehicle in the list, then it's also going to meet the requirements of the other vehicles in the list that have less demanding design parameters. Why do you think all these aftermarket filter makers have vehicle application lists that have many vehicles taking the same oil filter?

Why would all vehicles logically be required to use a single model oil filter if all vehicles had block bypass design?
 
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by Nyogtha
Agreed, but if oill filter BPV was CRITICAL as per my post, wouldn't that design logically remove filter manufacturer variability from the picture? My post was not about soliciting opinion but to attempt to stimulate logical train of thought regarding the premise of OEM BPV setting being the only "correct" BPV setting.


If "that design" means a in-block BPV, then no I don't think it would remove the filter manufacturers variability. Only way it would is if they all designed to the in-block BPV setting, and every engine would have to use the same basic in-block setting to make filter manufacturers all design to the same flow specs to match the in-block BPV.

This thread is stimulating discussion on if the OEM BPV is the only "correct" setting - and member opinions are part of how a chat board works. My opinion is that it's not. The OEM has set their filter's bypass valve based on their filter design and vehicle oiling system performance, just as the aftermarket filter designers do.



This is what I have been reading. See the sentence you posted that starts with the word "Only"
 
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by Nyogtha
Waiting for a logical response, thus far only from Ablebody.


That wasn't even a response, let along "logical" ... just typical drivel. I want him to explain technically why he thinks that's wrong. You can respond too ... that's an "official solicitation".

It doesn't matter what anyone says to you. You will just argue about it.
I'll just throw this out there and let you get back to your endless babble. The range would never be inclusive enough of various circumstances or limitations to cover multiple applications. That's actually pretty much already the issue with alot of after markets practice.
That's 1. Their trying to use limited materials and construction to blanket over everything. It's not acceptable.
 
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Originally Posted by Nyogtha
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by Nyogtha
Agreed, but if oill filter BPV was CRITICAL as per my post, wouldn't that design logically remove filter manufacturer variability from the picture? My post was not about soliciting opinion but to attempt to stimulate logical train of thought regarding the premise of OEM BPV setting being the only "correct" BPV setting.

If "that design" means a in-block BPV, then no I don't think it would remove the filter manufacturers variability. Only way it would is if they all designed to the in-block BPV setting, and every engine would have to use the same basic in-block setting to make filter manufacturers all design to the same flow specs to match the in-block BPV.

This thread is stimulating discussion on if the OEM BPV is the only "correct" setting - and member opinions are part of how a chat board works. My opinion is that it's not. The OEM has set their filter's bypass valve based on their filter design and vehicle oiling system performance, just as the aftermarket filter designers do.

This is what I have been reading. See the sentence you posted that starts with the word "Only"


You eluded to that an in-block BPV ("that design") would "logically remove filter manufacture variability from the picture" (in red above).

I said the "Only" way that would take the filter variability out of the equation is if all in-block BPVs were basically set to the same value. If in-block BPVs were all over the place in settings, then the filter manufactures would have to make all kinds of different filters to meet the different in-block BPV settings. If you don't agree, then why not?
 
Originally Posted by Ablebody
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by Nyogtha
Waiting for a logical response, thus far only from Ablebody.

That wasn't even a response, let along "logical" ... just typical drivel. I want him to explain technically why he thinks that's wrong. You can respond too ... that's an "official solicitation".

It doesn't matter what anyone says to you. You will just argue about it.
I'll just throw this out there and let you get back to your endless babble. The range would never be inclusive enough of various circumstances or limitations to cover multiple applications. That's actually pretty much already the issue with alot of after markets practice.
That's 1. Their trying to use limited materials and construction to blanket over everything. It's not acceptable.


Nice back peddle (excuse) to not try to debate anything on a technical basis.

More misconceptions - talk about "babble". It's not hard to follow the design logic. Evey filter manufacture, even beloved WIX has vehicle application lists with literally 100s of vehicles. You think all these filter manufactures have a warranty to replace an engine if damaged by their filter because guys don't know what they are doing in the design department? Funny stuff once again.
 
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