Windows 8 isn't too bad.

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Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Metro UI is NOT suitable for a desktop or laptop environment, it is designed for phones and tablets.


As someone actually using it, I have to say I disagree.

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
That being said all MS had to do was ALLOW THE CUSTOMER TO DECIDE WHICH UI TO BOOT INTO.

I want to be able to boot DIRECTLY to the desktop without being forced to go through Metro first.


I honestly don't get all of hardship? Is clicking on the "desktop tile" really that hard?

I also haven't have any network connectivity issues, either with my home network or when traveling. I hit W+I and go right to "network"?

Then again, it's entire possible that I'm just not that picky. I was, after all, using Palm OS on my phone until not that long ago..
 
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
I want to be able to boot DIRECTLY to the desktop without being forced to go through Metro first.


Just download and install Classic Shell. This free app gives you the Start button back (configurable as either XP, Vista, or Win 7), and bypasses the Metro UI and takes you directly to the desktop when you login.
 
Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
I want to be able to boot DIRECTLY to the desktop without being forced to go through Metro first.


Just download and install Classic Shell. This free app gives you the Start button back (configurable as either XP, Vista, or Win 7), and bypasses the Metro UI and takes you directly to the desktop when you login.


Exactly! With Steven Sinofsky now gone from Microsoft, I have a feeling we'll see the Start button return in some form in a service pack not too far down the road. Insistence on removing the Start button/orb was solely his idea.
 
Originally Posted By: JOD

I also haven't have any network connectivity issues, either with my home network or when traveling. I hit W+I and go right to "network"?


Thats great. The fact is, I had a problem and it took me about 3 times longer to fix it than it should have. That shortcut does nothing in Se7en, and I cant get back into 8 because I have forgotten the password. So, I cant test that. Reguardless, I probably would have had to find that on the internet, which is kinda Chicken and Egg if Im having an network issue.
 
Too many backflips and handstands to do simple stuff, and it's incompatible with alot of current software. You pays your money and takes your chances.
 
Originally Posted By: Ed_T
Too many backflips and handstands to do simple stuff, and it's incompatible with alot of current software. You pays your money and takes your chances.


this isn't aimed at you Ed, just my observation overall....

Microsoft is in a no-win situation where people shout for new, innovative ideas. Then they get them, then those people claim that there are too many incompatibilities and things break software.

Fix the incompatibilities as time goes on, make a break from the past. One of the few things I like about Windows 8 copying the Apple mind set: don't worry about the past, plow forward.

It's about time MS did this in some fashion.
 
I previously was completely anti-windows 8. And then I decided I would spend the $40 on the online upgrade to give it a try, did a clean install from a USB flash drive, and you know what? So far I actually quite like it. It does take a little getting used to finding things, but that lasted all of 30 minutes while getting things set up. It works 100% with all of my hardware, software and games. It's faster, smoother and less resource hungry than 7 which I thought was impossible to be honest.

The only thing I don't really like? The aero glass effect is gone, and window borders are opaque, but that's really an extremely minor complaint.
 
I've been using windows 8 for about 4 days now and I've just about had enough with it. I'm forcing myself to learn it since I figure I might have to support it in the future, but I can't stand it anymore. I'll probably end up taking it off my primary desktop computer, and putting it on my laptop that I only use occasionally. It's not intuitive at all in my opinion, and far to difficult to do simple things. I'm ashamed to say I had to google how to run disk cleanup, windows backup, and other basic things in windows 8.
 
Originally Posted By: sxg6
I've been using windows 8 for about 4 days now and I've just about had enough with it. I'm forcing myself to learn it since I figure I might have to support it in the future, but I can't stand it anymore. I'll probably end up taking it off my primary desktop computer, and putting it on my laptop that I only use occasionally. It's not intuitive at all in my opinion, and far to difficult to do simple things. I'm ashamed to say I had to google how to run disk cleanup, windows backup, and other basic things in windows 8.


I didn't, they are all under control panel same as always. Or open "Search" and type "disk cleanup" and there it pops up. It took a little getting used to, to remember to open the taskbar icon for windows explorer. It's very similar to windows 8, you just have to look in different places. This is all part of that "it was better in the old days" thing.

I'll be frank, I absolutely despised windows 8, hated the idea of it. And now that I've used it for a couple days, I like it. To be honest other than you know, you have to take 3 minutes to remember where something now is- and search will find 99% of things you are looking for.

Maybe it comes from being young.
 
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I'm ashamed to say I had to google how to run disk cleanup, windows backup, and other basic things in windows 8.


Don't be. It's how we learn the new stuff. Windows 2012 Server takes even more time to get acquainted to where everything is located.
 
Originally Posted By: Ed_T
Too many backflips and handstands to do simple stuff, and it's incompatible with alot of current software. You pays your money and takes your chances.



I'm not against Metro UI....

BUT I an ANNOYED that MS doesn't give the user the CHOICE of WHICH UI to boot into at start up.

And NO I don't want to graft on a aftermarket program to change a core program like explorer.exe
 
Originally Posted By: ToyotaNSaturn
Originally Posted By: Ed_T
Too many backflips and handstands to do simple stuff, and it's incompatible with alot of current software. You pays your money and takes your chances.


this isn't aimed at you Ed, just my observation overall....

Microsoft is in a no-win situation where people shout for new, innovative ideas. Then they get them, then those people claim that there are too many incompatibilities and things break software.

Fix the incompatibilities as time goes on, make a break from the past. One of the few things I like about Windows 8 copying the Apple mind set: don't worry about the past, plow forward.

It's about time MS did this in some fashion.


A great part of MS Windows success came from its user-friendliness. If you're a non-geek and have fooled with Linux to any extent, you'll know what that is.

I don't recall anything in print calling for Windows 7 to be overhauled; just the opposite in fact. I believe MS is trying to redefine things (e.g., the user interface) as part of a broader marketing push to increase sales overall. However in doing so, with the added complexities and un-intuitiveness they have introduced with their successor product, they are risking alienation of an entrenched user base. The new gee-haws and fandango will seem 'kewl' and 'innovative' to some, but to serious PC users, all the extra complexity, fluff, and overall garbageization of an excellent desktop operating system is a huge mistake and miscalculation that can and will easily exceed the Vista debacle.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
 
I don't see the business case for buying Windows 8.

I run Win 7 and like mainly due to ability to run >3GB over XP and SSD drive. As a developer of Web Applications("Cloud") that run similar from XP to Windows 8 don't get it for a business.
 
I will have to agree with some of you on Windows 8 after having had to use it for the past few weeks. My dad bought a refurbisheed ASUS 12" touchscreen "tablet", though it's really more of an ultrabook without a physical keyboard. It has an i5 processor, 64 GB SSD, 4 GB RAM, etc. It had Windows 7 on it.

After a day or two, he upgraded it to 8, and it really went south from there. To use the OS to most of its extent, it jumps you back and forth between the Metro interface and the old interface. Things aren't in logical locations. The number of steps you have to go through to add an IE bookmark as a tile in Metro (like for Gmail) is so long, it should be an embarassment to Microsoft. He had a lot of trouble with the interface (and I was of little help) so he went to B&N and bought a Windows 8 book for dummies. It was nearly 1,000 pages. The last straw is he tried to print something and couldn't figure out how to make it print anything. The printer shows up, but it wouldn't do anything.

So he's done with it. Going to give Microsoft's fruity competitor a try. Heck may as well have frozen over; I'd never thought I'd hear those words out of his mouth, as a die-hard Microsoft user. He called 8 a "kludge". I'd have to agree after trying to do something more than simply surf the internet with it.
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
I will have to agree with some of you on Windows 8 after having had to use it for the past few weeks. My dad bought a refurbisheed ASUS 12" touchscreen "tablet", though it's really more of an ultrabook without a physical keyboard. It has an i5 processor, 64 GB SSD, 4 GB RAM, etc. It had Windows 7 on it.

After a day or two, he upgraded it to 8, and it really went south from there. To use the OS to most of its extent, it jumps you back and forth between the Metro interface and the old interface. Things aren't in logical locations. The number of steps you have to go through to add an IE bookmark as a tile in Metro (like for Gmail) is so long, it should be an embarassment to Microsoft. He had a lot of trouble with the interface (and I was of little help) so he went to B&N and bought a Windows 8 book for dummies. It was nearly 1,000 pages. The last straw is he tried to print something and couldn't figure out how to make it print anything. The printer shows up, but it wouldn't do anything.

So he's done with it. Going to give Microsoft's fruity competitor a try. Heck may as well have frozen over; I'd never thought I'd hear those words out of his mouth, as a die-hard Microsoft user. He called 8 a "kludge". I'd have to agree after trying to do something more than simply surf the internet with it.


Installing Classic Shell makes Win 8 work almost exactly like Win 7.

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
 
This is what he bought:

http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Slate_EP121/

It came with Windows 7 on it, but it's sold as a tablet, and my folks intended to use it as a tablet (and it supports Windows 8). Windows 7 isn't all that usable on it because it doesn't have large clickable buttons or touch-enabled interactivity that Windows 8 has. If one has to disable half of Windows 8's interface to make it usable, the half of Windows 8's interface that is usable on a tablet, then it's not a very effective tablet OS, which is how it's marketed.
 
Makes business sense for me: gave a new lease of life for an old T60 Thinkpad that runs it is well as the XP that was there. Saved me enough by not buying a new laptop for a couple of more years. All my business apps run well. Was surprised by how snappy it is on this old hardware. UI is not an issue here, everything is accessible, you have to re-align your habits.
 
dont you know you buy every OTHER release of windows
win98
skip ME/2000
XP
skip vista
windows7
skip win8
 
Originally Posted By: Rand
dont you know you buy every OTHER release of windows
win98
skip ME/2000
XP
skip vista
windows7
skip win8


Haha, so true.
 
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