Windmills = jobs lost
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Originally Posted By: Tempest
So packing people into cubicles for both work and housing is fine by you?
Works for ants and bees.
So packing people into cubicles for both work and housing is fine by you?
Works for ants and bees.
which one is going to lower their standard of living ? The wealthy ? The politicians ? Pres. Obama probably used more oil is the last 6 months that most of us used in our whole life. How much has A Gore wasted flying around the workd telling us to save the earth so he can profit from it. I guess the subjects will have to conserve.
Originally Posted By: tig1
A friend of mine has a business repairing whole house generators. In his travels one customer living in the country has a wind mill generator that has the ability to power the entire place. Problem is he hasn't used the wind mill for some time because the maintainence is so costly for the thing he said it's cheaper to go back on the grid. Now he has a $35,000 conversation piece on his properity.
Ouch!
A friend of mine has a business repairing whole house generators. In his travels one customer living in the country has a wind mill generator that has the ability to power the entire place. Problem is he hasn't used the wind mill for some time because the maintainence is so costly for the thing he said it's cheaper to go back on the grid. Now he has a $35,000 conversation piece on his properity.
Ouch!
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Originally Posted By: tig1
A friend of mine has a business repairing whole house generators. In his travels one customer living in the country has a wind mill generator that has the ability to power the entire place. Problem is he hasn't used the wind mill for some time because the maintainence is so costly for the thing he said it's cheaper to go back on the grid. Now he has a $35,000 conversation piece on his properity.
That may be true...until the grid costs 4X what it does now and labor and repairs are only 2X what they are now.
We don't repair toasters now. We did at one time. We may again. Why did we stop ..and why might we start again?
A friend of mine has a business repairing whole house generators. In his travels one customer living in the country has a wind mill generator that has the ability to power the entire place. Problem is he hasn't used the wind mill for some time because the maintainence is so costly for the thing he said it's cheaper to go back on the grid. Now he has a $35,000 conversation piece on his properity.
That may be true...until the grid costs 4X what it does now and labor and repairs are only 2X what they are now.
We don't repair toasters now. We did at one time. We may again. Why did we stop ..and why might we start again?
Every wind mill farm that I have seen in Illinois appears to have 10% of the machines shut down. What I have read about them doesn't sound good for their future in regard to reliability. Maybe 20 to 30 years from now they will be better. In the meantime Washington will see to it our electric rates will double or triple because of a little smoke. Any thing that produces smoke has a target on it's back.
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Wind farms have been making money for a long time.
You guys must either produce, or use cheap garbage in your wind farms.
They seem to work just fine down here, and be profitable both for the farmer, and the utility putting them in.
There's a couple of farms around here been running for 10 years plus, no problems.
They seem to work just fine down here, and be profitable both for the farmer, and the utility putting them in.
There's a couple of farms around here been running for 10 years plus, no problems.
JMAC Said "THing is, 10% is about the max you can do before you start running out of renewable resources to tap with current tech.
What are they going to do when they mandate additional renewables and are told, well you now have a choice, feed your people or give up the land to meet your mandate for "green" energy and let a portion of the population starve.
Maybe it isn't exactly 10%, but the number is fairly low before that choice comes up."
Jmac
Do you a reputable link to a study or non oil industry "expert"? Stating that 10% is the max that can be produced with renewables.
I would like to know how you came up with 10%.
David
What are they going to do when they mandate additional renewables and are told, well you now have a choice, feed your people or give up the land to meet your mandate for "green" energy and let a portion of the population starve.
Maybe it isn't exactly 10%, but the number is fairly low before that choice comes up."
Jmac
Do you a reputable link to a study or non oil industry "expert"? Stating that 10% is the max that can be produced with renewables.
I would like to know how you came up with 10%.
David
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I would like to know how you came up with 10%.
David
You wouldn't want to see where he got that number.
I would like to know how you came up with 10%.
David
You wouldn't want to see where he got that number.
There's a 396 MW windfarm near where I live. It has 240 windmills and covers 50-75 square miles. Twin Groves I and II
http://www.horizonwind.com/projects/whatwevedone/twingroves/
I'll leave it to someone else to figure out how many windmills and how much land it will take to provide 10% of the US with intermittent power...
http://www.horizonwind.com/projects/whatwevedone/twingroves/
I'll leave it to someone else to figure out how many windmills and how much land it will take to provide 10% of the US with intermittent power...
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Originally Posted By: BrianWC
My brother does financial planning and spends a lot of time traveling to visit farmers in the Midwest. Many of them have new windmills, he says, and none of them are happy. He says he's been told several times by these folks that the companies would come in and offer big money to put up the thing, then go bankrupt, sticking the farmer with a big giant...windmill....
WTH?!?! If I was a farmer I'd be happy to have those inards to either gut and scrap or tie into! There is enough aluminum in the blade assemblies alone to skin a couple of school buses. The generator heads in those are also rather kick but!
My brother does financial planning and spends a lot of time traveling to visit farmers in the Midwest. Many of them have new windmills, he says, and none of them are happy. He says he's been told several times by these folks that the companies would come in and offer big money to put up the thing, then go bankrupt, sticking the farmer with a big giant...windmill....
WTH?!?! If I was a farmer I'd be happy to have those inards to either gut and scrap or tie into! There is enough aluminum in the blade assemblies alone to skin a couple of school buses. The generator heads in those are also rather kick but!
Originally Posted By: Shannow
But (at least down here), wind farms don't take land away from the food supply.
Cattle and sheep seem quite happy to graze beneath them.
They augment farmers' income streams, diversifying their production.
It's true, the land can still be used for farming. I'm not sure our farmers need yet another subsidy though. They're already deep enough in them that the running joke in this area is -
How does a farmer double his income?
He puts up another mailbox.
But (at least down here), wind farms don't take land away from the food supply.
Cattle and sheep seem quite happy to graze beneath them.
They augment farmers' income streams, diversifying their production.
It's true, the land can still be used for farming. I'm not sure our farmers need yet another subsidy though. They're already deep enough in them that the running joke in this area is -
How does a farmer double his income?
He puts up another mailbox.
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I wonder where the ag sector got all of its clout. Our first shake down was propagandized (I think) with a Gregory Peck voice over ..that showed our vast grain surplus. It was in B&W ..so, some time in the 60's. We sent this stuff off shore under trade credits ..at least some of it, which meant that WE actually paid for it .. and the receivers just paid the interest on the loans to pay it back. They, naturally, fell behind on their interest payments.
I guess the ag sector got its clout from being the passive international leverage tool of choice ...probably second only to our managing to keep petro$$ ...U$D. ..oh, and the most potent global military power ..that too.
I guess the ag sector got its clout from being the passive international leverage tool of choice ...probably second only to our managing to keep petro$$ ...U$D. ..oh, and the most potent global military power ..that too.
Gary, that huge grain surplus that was exported "for interest" only....what do you think that it achieved in the recipient's country for their own agricultural enterprises and farmers ?
Beat shooting all their buffalo to keep them in their place.
Beat shooting all their buffalo to keep them in their place.
What ever it takes to ruin the economy will be done.
Iowa currently generates 15 to 20 percent of its electrical power from wind energy. And strange as it may seem our electrical costs are appreciably lower than the US average. Through MidAmerican Energy, the cost per kilowatt-hour is lower today than it was in 1995. In 2007 it was less than 7 cents per kilowatt-hour and the national average was just over 9 cents per kilowatt-hour. All the while more and more wind turbines were coming on line.
Wind turbines are going up on a regular basis for small towns too. The town of Nevada Iowa has powered school buildings with wind turbines at one end of the high school football field for a couple of years now. I understand they are on track to pay for them with energy savings and by selling excess back to the grid.
On the occasion I need to drive to town I see 3 farms with modern wind turbines. Take a drive in the country and you'll see a lot of them on farms, yet I don't hear of many problems with them and they always seem to be spinning. Personal home wind turbines are beginning to sprout up. Again, I've heard very few negative comments from people that actually own them and most like the idea of spinning the electrical meter backwards.
Drive across I-80 and you’ll see loads of wind turbines in Western Iowa. More are going up every day. Drive north on I-35 and you’ll see fields of wind turbines in Northern Iowa. More are going up every day. In another 25 years I doubt that Iowa will need any fossil fuel electrical generators. No coal or natural gas to burn, no trains to haul the coal, no natural gas pipelines to build to the electrical plants.
Yeah, low electrical rates and no fossil fuel use are certainly really, really bad.
Wind turbines are going up on a regular basis for small towns too. The town of Nevada Iowa has powered school buildings with wind turbines at one end of the high school football field for a couple of years now. I understand they are on track to pay for them with energy savings and by selling excess back to the grid.
On the occasion I need to drive to town I see 3 farms with modern wind turbines. Take a drive in the country and you'll see a lot of them on farms, yet I don't hear of many problems with them and they always seem to be spinning. Personal home wind turbines are beginning to sprout up. Again, I've heard very few negative comments from people that actually own them and most like the idea of spinning the electrical meter backwards.
Drive across I-80 and you’ll see loads of wind turbines in Western Iowa. More are going up every day. Drive north on I-35 and you’ll see fields of wind turbines in Northern Iowa. More are going up every day. In another 25 years I doubt that Iowa will need any fossil fuel electrical generators. No coal or natural gas to burn, no trains to haul the coal, no natural gas pipelines to build to the electrical plants.
Yeah, low electrical rates and no fossil fuel use are certainly really, really bad.
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