why use synthetic when Dino is so good

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: wemay
Originally Posted By: tig1

If your car isn't worth a little extra cost in oil, then don't use synthetic.


So what you're telling the OP is that people who use conventional oil care less about their vehicles even if the OEM doesn't specify a syn or blend.

Where did I say that? What I said was"If your car isn't worth a little extra cost in oil, then don't use synthetic". Pretty plain.

 

[cb450sc]

I use synthetic in my Kia Optima because it is a DI engine and conventional in my Civic because it could run on chicken fat and be no worse for wear.

 

[tig1]

This is from M1 about synthetic oils.

https://mobiloil.com/en/article/car-main...onventional-oil

 

[B320i]

Originally Posted By: tig1
This is from M1 about synthetic oils.

https://mobiloil.com/en/article/car-main...onventional-oil


"But thats just marketing!"

In all seriousness - you just have to look up the independent "pour testing" people do on YouTube... The synthetics show up the dino's big time!

Or, you can run three intervals with dino, and another with synthetic, with the same interval (your manufacturer's recommendation).
Then tell us if dino is better.

If you a religious 3K change - go for Dino. Its not worth wasting all the money to purchase, and the resources needed to manufacture high-quality oils that are going to be changed before their time.
If you are open-minded, use UOA's in conjunction with what you see with your own eyes, use synthetic.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Originally Posted By: tig1
This is from M1 about synthetic oils.

https://mobiloil.com/en/article/car-main...onventional-oil


I love how he has the M1 15W50 bottle next to him in the video. I've always considered M1 15W50 one of the best oils on the market.

 

[NH73]

Originally Posted By: BikeWhisperer

The minimum requirements for my Eco-Boost is semi-synthetic.


I will bet you of a good chance that is not true. A lot of the conventional oils passes a Ford specs.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: NH73
Originally Posted By: BikeWhisperer

The minimum requirements for my Eco-Boost is semi-synthetic.


I will bet you of a good chance that is not true. A lot of the conventional oils passes a Ford specs.

Turbo and semi-syn and dino?

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: ram_man

According to the troll who started this thread we should all use brand X dino and drive baffed out Ford Escorts, which are "good enough" as well. [/quote
]

Troll? Really?? Maybe you should grow up its a serious question. For an average daily driver why would it matter? People all the time says that dino oil can go 10,000 miles under good conditions well I wouldn't never go farther on oil anyway synthetic or not so how does synthetic make sense? Black stone says they don't notice any wear benefits from synthetic vs dino. So besides the obvious extremes how is it a better product for the average Joe.

For average daily driver driving what? RAM from 90's or VW TDI or Ford Ecoboost?
Just ask owners of VW's 1.8T from end on 90's and beginning of 2000, when VW said: oh yeah, you can use semi-synthetic 10W40 or other synthetics (eg. M1 5W30 that you can find in VM etc). Why they did that? bcs average driver in U.S. want 10 minute oil change and to pay as less as possible. So what happened? Well in Europe they strictly recommended full syn 5W40, so no problems. Here, I think every second VW with that engine had sludge bomb! My friend had Audi and used M1 5W30. He said: it is Mobil and synthetic, what else you want? I said: wont do, you will see. At 80K sludge damaged engine beyond any possible repair.
I do not want to think what would happen using dine or some regular syn in VW TDI, BMW d, Jeep 3.0 diesel, etc.

 

[NH73]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: NH73
Originally Posted By: BikeWhisperer

The minimum requirements for my Eco-Boost is semi-synthetic.


I will bet you of a good chance that is not true. A lot of the conventional oils passes a Ford specs.

Turbo and semi-syn and dino?

I don't disagree with you on that. If I had an Ecoboost I would use synthetic. I was just pointing out how people wrongly read there Ford's Owners manual. Its that way for all there later vehicles, regardless if there engine is ecoboost or not.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: NH73
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: NH73
Originally Posted By: BikeWhisperer

The minimum requirements for my Eco-Boost is semi-synthetic.


I will bet you of a good chance that is not true. A lot of the conventional oils passes a Ford specs.

Turbo and semi-syn and dino?

I don't disagree with you on that. If I had an Ecoboost I would use synthetic. I was just pointing out how people wrongly read there Ford's Owners manual.

I am just waiting for Ecboost's to start having sludge issues etc. God knows what people are using in it.

 

[BikeWhisperer]

Originally Posted By: NH73
Originally Posted By: BikeWhisperer

The minimum requirements for my Eco-Boost is semi-synthetic.


I will bet you of a good chance that is not true. A lot of the conventional oils passes a Ford specs.


The specification for my engine is Ford WSS-M2C946-A...there may be a conventional that meets this spec, however directly from the owners manual is the recommendation of Motorcraft Semi-Synthetic OR Motorcraft Full Synthetic. I have no reason to use a conventional when the engine comes factory filled with Semi-Synthetic and that is what all the testing they did on the engine was with.

 

[NH73]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: NH73
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: NH73


I will bet you of a good chance that is not true. A lot of the conventional oils passes a Ford specs.

Turbo and semi-syn and dino?

I don't disagree with you on that. If I had an Ecoboost I would use synthetic. I was just pointing out how people wrongly read there Ford's Owners manual.

I am just waiting for Ecboost's to start having sludge issues etc. God knows what people are using in it.
If you like an ecoboost engine, you should either buy one brand new, or verify that the precious owner used synthetic in all there oil changes. The second option would likely be hard to find, so you would need to stick with number 1.

 

[BikeWhisperer]

Originally Posted By: edyvw

I am just waiting for Ecboost's to start having sludge issues etc. God knows what people are using in it.


Many a Ford Dealer has been putting 5w-20 bulk Dino...despite the oil cap (not to mention the specification of Ford WSS-M2C946-A which is a 5w-30) saying otherwise. Some of the smaller Eco-Boost engines do use 5w-20, but the 3.5l is 5w-30.

 

[cb_13]

The minimum requirements for the 3.5 Ecoboost is WSS-MC2946-A. Which is met by PYB 5W30.

 

[cb_13]

I am just waiting for Ecboost's to start having sludge issues etc. God knows what people are using in it.[/quote] If you like an ecoboost engine, you should either buy one brand new, or verify that the precious owner used synthetic in all there oil changes. The second option would likely be hard to find, so you would need to stick with number 1. [/quote]

Lots of paranoia around here. You can probably give up waiting on the sludge issues. The ecoboost has been out since 10 in the SHO and 11 in the F150.

I wouldn't worry if the engine has had oil changes done at the correct intervals with an oil that meets Ford's specification. I don't think I've ever heard of another engine that people want so badly to fail. Technology is coming. The carbureted straight 6 is dead and not coming back. Get over it!

 

[Revving2Redline]

If I can get 1mpg more from Pennzoil Ultra vs Pennzoil Yellow Bottle its worth it. 18$ ~ pyb , 28$~ pup , so theres roughly a ten spot in difference. I drive 350 mile route daily and get no less than 38mpg. Car got 37mpg from factory so if I am still getting 1+ after 125000 miles its saving me money. If I drove only a 1000 a month i would probably use at very least QSUD or walk. Another question to ask might be why buy dino when for pennies more over a oci you can have a better lubricant, get more mpg, and better performance.

 

[BikeWhisperer]

Originally Posted By: cb_13

I wouldn't worry if the engine has had oil changes done at the correct intervals with an oil that meets Ford's specification. I don't think I've ever heard of another engine that people want so badly to fail. Technology is coming. The carbureted straight 6 is dead and not coming back. Get over it!


If you want some real aluminum foil hat wearing conspiracies about the Eco-Boost...head over to the F150Ecoboost.net forums!

I got mine with 42,000 miles and it runs fine. The dealer might have put 5w-20 Valvoline in it (they claimed that was a print out error and that they really put 5w-30) but the service records showed that it had been getting 5w-30 MC Semi-Syn. Either way it is getting a 5k "flush" with synthetic 5w-30 Castrol Edge before I go with GC 0w-40.

 

[edyvw]

Quote:
I am just waiting for Ecboost's to start having sludge issues etc. God knows what people are using in it.
If you like an ecoboost engine, you should either buy one brand new, or verify that the precious owner used synthetic in all there oil changes. The second option would likely be hard to find, so you would need to stick with number 1. [/quote]

Quote:
Lots of paranoia around here. You can probably give up waiting on the sludge issues. The ecoboost has been out since 10 in the SHO and 11 in the F150.

I wouldn't worry if the engine has had oil changes done at the correct intervals with an oil that meets Ford's specification. I don't think I've ever heard of another engine that people want so badly to fail. Technology is coming. The carbureted straight 6 is dead and not coming back. Get over it!

No, do not get em wrong, I am all up for Turbo chargers, downsizing etc. I have two turbo cars. I am saying, considering technology in that engine, and the way people maintain cars (let me buy oil that is $15, instead of proper one that is $20) I am saying it is prone to have issues.
I bet there were bunch of Ecoboost's that failed bcs of poor maintenance, people who were driving V8's, that could run on olive oil, no driving Ecoboost's that are "bit" more complicated. Nothing to do with Ford, it was about time to bring their technology from Europe (although they were late there too).

 

[donnyj08]

Originally Posted By: cb_13
The minimum requirements for the 3.5 Ecoboost is WSS-MC2946-A. Which is met by PYB 5W30.


^ this. While if I had one I would use synthetic just as I do in my "lowish" tech 5.3L.

The turbos in the 3.5L ecoboost are water cooled with the cooling system and not near as oil demanding as many turbo applications. Turbo engines generally have small lift cams, bullet proof internals and lower compression. The ecoboost gets a bad rap from people who just don't understand that the engine is well designed.

PYB meets the spec and given a 5k interval would do a fine job. The problem with the internet is you only hear of the possible issues or issues that affect a small % of vehicles. The other 99% live trouble free and are probably getting their oil changed at tire shops and quick lubes and still running perfectly fine.

I don't think we will ever see sludged up ecoboost engines as a major issue. Oils today are so good the worries are just overthinking. I would buy a 50k mile ecoboost that had 5k mile OCI's on PYB 5w30 its whole life and not think twice. I would bet money it would be clean inside as well.

I would be hard for anyone to convince me the basestocks used in MC 5w30 syn-blend are that much better than a premium conventional like PYB or MS5K

I would change the coolant more often on and ecoboost than a normal car, as the added strain from cooling the turbos would likely degrade the coolant faster than say my 5.3 GM

 

[sicko]

Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
Mainly because you can often get synthetic for the price of dino, so why not?


This.

Plus synthetics are better in the extremes (extreme heat, extreme cold, extended OCIs, etc).

I get synthetics on sale and/or with rebates at better prices than conventional oils, and it gives me the confidence to do twice a year oil changes (fall and spring), so I don't have to do then during summer heat out winter cold.