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I agree with the first sentence.
I'd rather have an interesting kia/ Hyundai than q boring toyota, which most seem to be
Why Toyota and Honda have no oil specs?
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I'd rather have an interesting kia/ Hyundai than q boring toyota, which most seem to be
I didn't either until yesterday. You would think that someone here would have mentioned it the day it got posted.
Honda HTO-06?
I have my own specification: Quaker State Full Synthetic or better. If Toyota or Honda are interested, I am prepared to license this specification.
HTO-06 was developed before we had API SN, and was a higher standard compared to latest API back in 2007. The current API SN plus or SP meets requirements of HTO-6, so it became obsolete standard and Honda no longer requires it for their turbos
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Does GM get any money from oil companies when they advertise as DEXOS approved, or from the testing the companies go through to use the label?
I would not call Dexos a "spec" as a "certification" many oil meet or exceed the "spec" but cannot advertise as such.
Why?
Because they do not pay GM the $$$$ to list their stupid label on their bottle.
Toyota and Honda play the long game.
Why?
Because they do not pay GM the $$$$ to list their stupid label on their bottle.
Toyota and Honda play the long game.
Yes, but also GM is doing R&D on oil to come up with the various dexos certifications too. The money paid to get the cert ends up funding more testing/research.
The efficacy is a different subject.
If this is true, then why does oil like Amsoil SS not have the certification? What is the value of their (GM) "research" if manufactures already make oil that meets or exceeds. There is not enough juice in the squeeze for GM to do anything, accept charge millions for a label.
I can't speak for the Amsoil business model, but they would reveal any trade secrets by submitting for Dexos certification. The same would be true for VRP or PUP. It could be that they don't see any benefit to their own business.
Is the fact amsoil isn't engaged in dexos some form of evidence that dexos doesn't involve R&D?
At one time Amsoil stated that it is because the ash was slightly too high. If I recall correctly it is 1.0 when dexos requires 0.9. An almost meaningless difference.
Nothing wrong with dexos either. It is a substantive license.
Mazda just says API certified. That's it.
Dont know to much speculation.....but i would find it hard to believe that GM would have any hand in either research or development, beyond monetarily. It makes not sense for them to, as lubricant makers already have that down pat.
Plus, if they required a "special oil" that they had on lock, they would have to provide it for free, due to the Magnussen Moss Warranty Act.
I believe GM started the Spec in 2007, rolled it out in 2010/2011. At the time it must have been needed for them to bother doing it. I kind of doubt it really is still needed with API SP spec?
I don't know.
Oh I get it, but they state it meets, (at least) the spec. My point is, you can meet the spec without having the license. The licence is the $$$$ for them.
I am not trying to get into another "meet the spec" conversation, as we all know what the deal is, just making the distinction from a spec to a license, to the point of the OP thread.
The license is how they get around the MM Act.
So you believe that GM's Dexos process is just asking the motor oil blenders what recipes are good, then adopting those as Dexos?
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No. i think they say what they want, and have the blenders make it to their liking, lest they not get the Dexos sticker, and making the blender lose money because they would not have the license and not sell oil to 99% of the public. Plus making the blender spend $$4 to get their licence. Just becuase it meets the spec, doe not mean they get a licence.
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