Why People Dislike a CVT

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by fdcg27
What's an actual vehicle?
Maybe Subaru can teach BMW and VW how to make a good AWD system along with a good CVT since both seem unable to come up with either?
The pretensions of those who pay a premium for a German badge do grow tiresome.


Since VW makes Audi, you might inform yourself what is Quattro.
BMW xDrive is rooted in Land Rover.
Both VW and BMW choose not to get CVT as expectation from drivers is to know how to drive.

 

[fdcg27]

I figured I'd strike a nerve with those who find solace in German car badges.
Whether you call it Quarttro or Notgo, it's still a system inferior to what Subaru offers on very moderately priced cars.
Land Rover was sold off by BMW a decade ago and has since been owned by an Indian concern, so I'm not sure what you mean by BMW's AWD implementation having anything to do with what the Brits did back in the day.
Finally, a Subie turbo has little to fear from an overweight CUV diesel BMW.
We've owned BMWs, Benzes, VWs, Hondas, Subies and others and I've enjoyed them all.
I do find the Subarus to be very good overall, CVT or not.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted by edyvw

LOL, know I dig out from ditch Subaru Outback with VW CC that was front wheel drive.
As for performance, I got my laugh today.

Oh please don't put VW and performance in the same sentence. And as far as pulling out a subaru with fwd...lol

Originally Posted by fdcg27
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Finally, a Subie turbo has little to fear from an overweight CUV diesel BMW.

This

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by fdcg27
I figured I'd strike a nerve with those who find solace in German car badges.
Whether you call it Quarttro or Notgo, it's still a system inferior to what Subaru offers on very moderately priced cars.
Land Rover was sold off by BMW a decade ago and has since been owned by an Indian concern, so I'm not sure what you mean by BMW's AWD implementation having anything to do with what the Brits did back in the day.
Finally, a Subie turbo has little to fear from an overweight CUV diesel BMW.
We've owned BMWs, Benzes, VWs, Hondas, Subies and others and I've enjoyed them all.
I do find the Subarus to be very good overall, CVT or not.

Do you know cars. My 2 year old has better knowledge.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Al
Originally Posted by edyvw

LOL, know I dig out from ditch Subaru Outback with VW CC that was front wheel drive.
As for performance, I got my laugh today.

Oh please don't put VW and performance in the same sentence. And as far as pulling out a subaru with fwd...lol

Originally Posted by fdcg27
I
Finally, a Subie turbo has little to fear from an overweight CUV diesel BMW.

This


Well, maybe pulling Subaru out of ditch tells more about average Subaru driver.
As for BMW and diesel

I would bet car against that CVT garbage.

 

[fdcg27]

A six year old X5 diesel wouldn't be much to bet given its current market value.
Even your 2 year old knows that.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted by edyvw
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Both VW and BMW choose not to get CVT as expectation from drivers is to know how to drive.

O please. You are embarrassing yourself without knowing it. BC you have a hard on for CVTs everything else is ignorant. I have found the person who belittles others has a Walter Mitty complex. Might be good therapy for you to read it.
When your 2 year old son knows more than some on here, I suspect you need some growing up like your son.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Al
Originally Posted by edyvw
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Both VW and BMW choose not to get CVT as expectation from drivers is to know how to drive.

O please. You are embarrassing yourself without knowing it. BC you have a hard on for CVTs everything else is ignorant. I have found the person who belittles others has a Walter Mitty complex. Might be good therapy for you to read it.
When your 2 year old son knows more than some on here, I suspect you need some growing up like your son.

Just for your info, Audi (VW) offered CVT in 1998. BMW just decided not to do that garbage, they have other, more sophisticated tricks that involves real engineering to meet CAFE.
That is how much you know.
I would say, you need to drive some more cars.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by fdcg27
A six year old X5 diesel wouldn't be much to bet given its current market value.
Even your 2 year old knows that.

A six year old BMW does not squeak, still has smaller gaps in interior then new Subaru, and when it turns 20 it will drive better than new Subaru.

 

[Cujet]

CVT's don't hold up.

My failure on a rental Subaru Crosstrek this week. It drove fine and was not in any way "CVT" annoying with drone or other complaints. Car was stupidly slow, and sluggish feeling though. Mostly due to lack of HP and low end torque.

I've got to say, I've changed my mind on CVT's. While they don't annoy me, this failure at 2400 miles highlights the inability to carry heavy loads and high RPM. Towing anything with a CVT is not going to go well.

It failed going up a long, modest highway incline. The Crosstrek is underpowered and was running about 4000 RPM, using the adaptive cruise control. Then as a car moved aside, it rose to 5200 RPM in an attempt to accelerate to meet the cruise control's set speed. It never made it. Started ticking, then really LOUD clanking!

Car made it to the top of the grade at about 30mph, then shut off. I coasted down the other side, off the exit and into the gas station, where it restarted.

 

[fdcg27]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by fdcg27
A six year old X5 diesel wouldn't be much to bet given its current market value.
Even your 2 year old knows that.

A six year old BMW does not squeak, still has smaller gaps in interior then new Subaru, and when it turns 20 it will drive better than new Subaru.


A six year old Subaru doesn't squeak either, nor does our twenty year old '99 Legacy AWD 2.2, which still drives better than most old BMWs I've been in.
The X5 drives like the hefty and stiffly sprung beast that it is. I wasn't impressed.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted by edyvw
A six year old BMW does not squeak, still has smaller gaps in interior then new Subaru, and when it turns 20 it will drive better than new Subaru.

Congratulations!!! If it does not squeak in another 5 years it will equal my 177K mile Forester, or my 17 year old 150K mile Nissan Sentra SE....That do not squeak. Pretty low bar for an over priced car.

Well it is nice to see BMW making progress. A number of years ago they were on the low scale of quality. Good to see!!

 

[MCompact]

Originally Posted by Al

Well it is nice to see BMW making progress. A number of years ago they were on the low scale of quality. Good to see!!


Don't I know it! My 1995 E36/5 has deteriorated terribly since I picked it up from the dealer 23 years and 144,000 miles ago...

 

[JTK]

Cujet, it's weird that it's still clanking and banging in park. Maybe the pump within the CVT is still chewing through parts. Any possibility of it being engine related?

 

[Cujet]

Originally Posted by JTK
Cujet, it's weird that it's still clanking and banging in park. Maybe the pump within the CVT is still chewing through parts. Any possibility of it being engine related?


The engine ran perfectly and was completely happy making power. Very little of which was getting to the wheels. Was easy to modulate power and RPM, due to the failure.

It was revving higher and higher and going slower and slower. To the point where it was unable to go 30mph. Lots of awful noises on the highway.

I've not heard back from the rental car agency. Wonder how this will go.

 

[KrisZ]

Originally Posted by Cujet
CVT's don't hold up.

My failure on a rental Subaru Crosstrek this week. It drove fine and was not in any way "CVT" annoying with drone or other complaints. Car was stupidly slow, and sluggish feeling though. Mostly due to lack of HP and low end torque.

I've got to say, I've changed my mind on CVT's. While they don't annoy me, this failure at 2400 miles highlights the inability to carry heavy loads and high RPM. Towing anything with a CVT is not going to go well.

It failed going up a long, modest highway incline. The Crosstrek is underpowered and was running about 4000 RPM, using the adaptive cruise control. Then as a car moved aside, it rose to 5200 RPM in an attempt to accelerate to meet the cruise control's set speed. It never made it. Started ticking, then really LOUD clanking!

Car made it to the top of the grade at about 30mph, then shut off. I coasted down the other side, off the exit and into the gas station, where it restarted.




Not sure why you're not happy, the car indicated 29mpg!

 

[Cujet]

Originally Posted by KrisZ

Not sure why you're not happy, the car indicated 29mpg!

I was disappointed it did not hit the promised 30mpg.

 

[fdcg27]

All powertrains have a small number of examples in which early failures occur, CVT or not.
I see plenty of people towing with CVT Subarus, some of which have plates from far off points of origin, so I think that the drivetrain is capable of this.
You apparently got a bad from build car since your experience with this car involved no more than what a typical owner would ask of it.
The engine revs you saw on cruise control are in no way typical of a CVT Subie that's in proper running order.
Since we own one, I can assure you of this.
Rental cars are often seriously abused and I can think of a few ways in which some fool might do so with serious consequences for the CVT.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by Al

Well it is nice to see BMW making progress. A number of years ago they were on the low scale of quality. Good to see!!


Don't I know it! My 1995 E36/5 has deteriorated terribly since I picked it up from the dealer 23 years and 144,000 miles ago...

I had 1991 520i E34 that made almost 400k km before I sold it. Was still alive some 7-8 years after I sold it.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by KrisZ
Originally Posted by Cujet
CVT's don't hold up.

My failure on a rental Subaru Crosstrek this week. It drove fine and was not in any way "CVT" annoying with drone or other complaints. Car was stupidly slow, and sluggish feeling though. Mostly due to lack of HP and low end torque.

I've got to say, I've changed my mind on CVT's. While they don't annoy me, this failure at 2400 miles highlights the inability to carry heavy loads and high RPM. Towing anything with a CVT is not going to go well.

It failed going up a long, modest highway incline. The Crosstrek is underpowered and was running about 4000 RPM, using the adaptive cruise control. Then as a car moved aside, it rose to 5200 RPM in an attempt to accelerate to meet the cruise control's set speed. It never made it. Started ticking, then really LOUD clanking!

Car made it to the top of the grade at about 30mph, then shut off. I coasted down the other side, off the exit and into the gas station, where it restarted.




Not sure why you're not happy, the car indicated 29mpg!

If that thing that slow and underpowered cannot get 40mpg, then engineers of that car should shoot themselves.