Why isn't High Performance Lubricants advertised as a long OCI oil?
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What exactly did I say that you perceived as defensive?
I gave you some insight into a small company - and it's funny to watch BITOGers think that this particular small company, which has been extraordinarily accommodating; in disclosing details, making recommendations, formulating oils at member's request, holding open houses, should do even more for them, when the preponderance of their business is fleet and racing.
A guy who has been here for 15 years asked a question - I answered it. We discussed it.
The oil is suitable for a long drain.
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“Your question is based on a faulty premise - they don’t advertise much, if at all.”
“The owner is a busy guy. He can’t read every post. Doesn’t have the time.”
You then continue to denigrate the OP. You then include HPL and imply that the OP should have done so all along, as if he had some sort of agenda, AND that the info requested was easily discernible.
edit: you’re being defensive in THIS post. People are asking pretty simple questions, not gotchas. Jeez
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Sorry you feel that way. I wasn’t denigrating anyone. Merely explaining.
Ehhhhh, BITOG is small potatoes
I'd be surprised if we made a huge swing in their top line. Personally, I've bought $364 in product (after BITOG15) and that covered two OCIs on my engine, front and rear diff and three changes on my transfer case. It costs that much just to change the differential oil on a big rig.
You’ve been here for nearly a decade… Where were you when Gena Fishbeck from SOPUS was doling out free Pennzoil Ultra Platinum and free UOAs to members?
Free PUP and UOAs????????
Where was I?
Oh, maybe 2 years BC or so? I can’t remember since I didn’t get any freebies
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Point of personal observation... Me (this member here. Slow Car Sport Mode. Made my pic Bertrand Russell yesterday. Me) I am at north of 14,000 miles on HPL oil and will probably be at over 16,000 by Monday.
I have a small sample I took two days ago in a plastic bottle that I have seriously considered getting a UOA on, if a good and inexpensive company to analyze can be recommended.
I'm running the HPL No VII 5W-30 oil and I post in the "Post your dipstick" thread.
My car burns SOME oil, it has burned at LEAST two quarts in that time, yes, even of the HPL.. I'm in a position to again monitor consumption BUT.. Just wanted to add... based on all I know about this oil, including how long Wayne has ran on his Durango and said there was plenty TBN remaining, I do not remember exact numbers..
This oil should be fine for a long drain, and some information was even told to us at the tour (I was there too!) The group was told: "It costs maybe three times as much for a product that lasts maybe five times as long, so we save money there too." If I worded that wrong, please let me know.
Again I'm north of 14,000 and that is soon about to climb. I record my miles in my signature.
Quick candid pic of my last remaining quart (of HPL) on the shelf, I'm again keeping fluids in the car in case they are needed on trips so three quarts are in there.
I have a small sample I took two days ago in a plastic bottle that I have seriously considered getting a UOA on, if a good and inexpensive company to analyze can be recommended.
I'm running the HPL No VII 5W-30 oil and I post in the "Post your dipstick" thread.
My car burns SOME oil, it has burned at LEAST two quarts in that time, yes, even of the HPL.. I'm in a position to again monitor consumption BUT.. Just wanted to add... based on all I know about this oil, including how long Wayne has ran on his Durango and said there was plenty TBN remaining, I do not remember exact numbers..
This oil should be fine for a long drain, and some information was even told to us at the tour (I was there too!) The group was told: "It costs maybe three times as much for a product that lasts maybe five times as long, so we save money there too." If I worded that wrong, please let me know.
Again I'm north of 14,000 and that is soon about to climb. I record my miles in my signature.
Quick candid pic of my last remaining quart (of HPL) on the shelf, I'm again keeping fluids in the car in case they are needed on trips so three quarts are in there.
I haven't shared my opinion of anything other than their marketing plan, and I called it shrewd.
Explain how I dissed them.
I'll wait..........
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Even if they weren't a sponsor, they deliver a premium product at a reasonable price. HPL is extremely forthcoming with information that was previously only a WAG on many details. The chatter is from actual product users, so how is that a "fairly shrewd plan"?
Organic feedback from actual users is not "advertising" in the sense you're implying, that there are shills for HPL here, especially when HPL frequently offers positive feedback about the quality of their competition. This isn't Amazon Marketplace.
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You're implying there is something shady going on, or that they are shilling. You're painting them in a questionable or negative light. Specifically this comment of yours:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...ertised-as-a-long-oci-oil.365735/post-6537654
Note the quotes you put around "regular folk".
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Excellent point.
Let me say something for me, personally. I am an HPL "fanboy;" I am in the minority of people that choose to spend the money
and buy High Performance Lubricants of Manteno, IL (that's just regular available information they put it on their bottles. I am as regular as they come.. just a bit eccentric and that's fine. They will sell you oil there if you're in town and want to buy) - I choose to spend the money on their oil INSTEAD OF whatever is on sale or your favorite color jug at Walmart (which, if the oil meets the spec and is the appropriate grade, is pretty much always how you "could" choose motor oil and be fine.. with some exception, I'm sure.) I think their oil is 1. Superior to other oils, 2. Made with the pride and passion a chef that speaks the language of the cuisine he cooks puts into his food, or the level of exacting standards a hand-assembled AMG engine that bears the assemblers signature is held to, and 3. Sold by THE most hospitable and kind business I've had the pleasure of interacting with. I still ask Dave oil questions to this day. He is one of the most kind people I've ever met.And I'm going to pick up a quart of 10W-40 SuperTech 5,000 mile oil (if I can find it) because I'm taking a long trip, and I want to see if my engine burns less oil than it has on the 14,000 soon to be ~16,000 miles on my fill of HPL oil.. filter changed twice, just to see engine health.
So I am someone that could be called a "shill".... I can assure you, I know full well other oils are available (I have a small stash of oil from a TSC discount score. Don't feel like opening a 5 quart jug because just to get one quart of xW-40) so..... yeah I don't think we are "shills"... I think @TiGeo uses HPL oils (and his vehicles can actually probably fully utilize the capabilities of said oil.. not just a "feel-good" when other oils may be good enough... "When good enough isnt good enough" resonated with me.) as well as others. I don't think they are "shills" either. And @Pablo isn't a "shill" for AMSOIL and others also use AMSOIL.. I hope I'm making sense, I'll conclude my post now.
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Note the double quotes he put around "regular folk". His intent with his post was subtle but unmistakable, now he's just attempting to wiggle out.
Anyway I've said all I can on this and will move on. Not worth fighting about and he's either gotten the point by now or he never will.
They don't advertise because they are smart knowing no oil lasts 20K miles! lol
I think the max I've gone with my favorite M1 EP 10W-30 is 8K miles. Jug says 20K miles.
Also lots of engines these days are junk DI so that's another challenge for the oil companies! That's why you ignore what the jug says. 20K miles with a DI (with or w/o port injection) and you'll most likely need to buy a new engine after the 2nd oil change.
Older MPFI engines are another story. They are much easier on oil.
I think the max I've gone with my favorite M1 EP 10W-30 is 8K miles. Jug says 20K miles.
Also lots of engines these days are junk DI so that's another challenge for the oil companies! That's why you ignore what the jug says. 20K miles with a DI (with or w/o port injection) and you'll most likely need to buy a new engine after the 2nd oil change.
Older MPFI engines are another story. They are much easier on oil.
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Actually, their primary focus is industrial lubricants. Oil for cars is a very, very small part of their business.
Hasn't @wwillson gone more than 20,000 miles on an OCI using HPL?They don't advertise because they are smart knowing no oil lasts 20K miles! lol
I think the max I've gone with my favorite M1 EP 10W-30 is 8K miles. Jug says 20K miles.
Also lots of engines these days are junk DI so that's another challenge for the oil companies! That's why you ignore what the jug says. 20K miles with a DI (with or w/o port injection) and you'll most likely need to buy a new engine after the 2nd oil change.
Older MPFI engines are another story. They are much easier on oil.
iirc, he's on his 1st oil change, he will order a new engine before his 3rd oil change. lol J/K
Maybe so, here is a definition.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/shrewd
[ shrood ]See synonyms for: shrewdshrewdestshrewdlyshrewdness on Thesaurus.com
adjective,shrewd·er, shrewd·est.
- having or showing astute or sharp judgment in practical matters, sometimes at the cost of moral compromise: a shrewd businessman.
- cunning or tricky; artful.
I was thinking within the realm of PCMO
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