Why do we let China have anything to do with our FOOD and DRUGS?

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Voting can make a small difference but if people want real societal change, you go after the ones hiring the lobbyists and heads of industry. That's the problem with a lot of media and protests, they complain about those in government when the real people that need protesting are the CEOs and boards.

Go after industry leaders and maybe we can see results. The occupy Wallstreet movement was on the right track here. If the protesting NPCs can be reprogrammed to go after Verizon, Xfinity, and other companies, then you'd see change.

I agree but unfortunately the few times the executives of the company were gone after, nothing really lasting happened (Enron, Arthur Andersen, Nissan/Ghosn, Chrysler CEO, Ford internal emails about failing PowerShift transmissions, etc.) I feel like USA [as a whole] has a short memory and even shorter planning.
 
No one. Sovereign immunity basically.

The voice of the people is too small when compared to billionaires and politicians on the take.

That's just how the world works. At the core of it all it's CYA or suffer. The issue with CYA is we can't see all things coming and prepping will only last so long.

Voting can make a small difference but if people want real societal change, you go after the ones hiring the lobbyists and heads of industry. That's the problem with a lot of media and protests, they complain about those in government when the real people that need protesting are the CEOs and boards.

Go after industry leaders and maybe we can see results. The occupy Wallstreet movement was on the right track here. If the protesting NPCs can be reprogrammed to go after Verizon, Xfinity, and other companies, then you'd see change.
Thank you. 4+ pages of whining, complaining, and cynicism.

Now, I challenge everyone to list possible REAL solutions that us average folk can engage in to actually turn things around............. 68 years young and I'm clueless.
 
What is your opinion of how much smaller chips can go, Aren't we near the limit of the materials used already?
We are close to the physical tech node limits. New materials are certainly promising and the future.
But it's fair to say not every application needs a 5nm (or smaller) node. Cars, for example.

Perhaps review 3d NAND flash that vertically stacks layers to increase density.

To me the big issue is who has the technology. TSMC is Taiwan Semiconductor Company and is the biggest wafer fab company. What happens if China wants Taiwan back again? And there is more than TSMC there.
 
Thank you. I try, but it is difficult. I.E., brake rotors. I have EBC now, but it is difficult to verify if they are still UK made (no labels like the pads have). Imagine if China cut off our rotor supply????
A key reason I bought the Model 3 in Dec 2018 was the reopening of the ex-GM ex-NUMMI plant in Fremont, right up the road from me.
I did not need another vehicle at the time.
 
Thank you. 4+ pages of whining, complaining, and cynicism.

Now, I challenge everyone to list possible REAL solutions that us average folk can engage in to actually turn things around............. 68 years young and I'm clueless.
Raise kids who have a healthy respect for Capitalism but who also do not worship it like a religious dogma. It’s almost talked about by some like a God which has moral tenets and demands rather than just a financial system. I am definitely a proponent of capitalism however I will not let it drive my morals. Money is a tool. Capitalism is how we get said tool. Morals should be the compass.
 
I've been angry about this for years. A good U.S. government should ban the importation of anything edible by man or beast from the Chicoms. Remember the intentional pet food melamine contamination to falsely boost the nutritional values? How about the recall of the widely prescribed blood pressure medication Valsartin as once it went generic and the Chinese cut corners on formulating and producing it leaving a cancer causing compound in it? We so need to step up and embrace making it here.

the FDA is quite capable of leaving cancer causing components in food by itself.
 
We are close to the physical tech node limits. New materials are certainly promising and the future.
But it's fair to say not every application needs a 5nm (or smaller) node. Cars, for example.

Perhaps review 3d NAND flash that vertically stacks layers to increase density.

To me the big issue is who has the technology. TSMC is Taiwan Semiconductor Company and is the biggest wafer fab company. What happens if China wants Taiwan back again? And there is more than TSMC there.

UMC is pretty small compared to TSMC, and they don’t have any of the more advanced processes.

But it’s complicated. China wouldn’t be able to gain access to TSMC’s fabs in Taiwan by force. Support for the manufacturing equipment would dry up. Plus support ending for manufacturing equipment in mainland Chinese fabs. On top of that, I’m sure there’s already a plan to sabotage the equipment in case of a Chinese invasion.

What that would succeed in doing would be killing most of the world’s supply of wafer production, and especially the most advanced (where only Samsung is remotely comparable). Basically economic suicide that would create immeasurable damage to the world’s economy. I don’t think it will ever happen, but I suppose practical considerations may give way.
 
I agree but unfortunately the few times the executives of the company were gone after, nothing really lasting happened (Enron, Arthur Andersen, Nissan/Ghosn, Chrysler CEO, Ford internal emails about failing PowerShift transmissions, etc.) I feel like USA [as a whole] has a short memory and even shorter planning.
I'm talking about the public going after them. Kind of like how the summer of love protests drew attention.

The issue here is the useful idiots (protestors) are guided by the same interests that control the media, it's all coordinated. The plan is diabolical and it works for their interests only. It's not organic that it just happens to be this way.

With almost total control of MSM, Google SERPS, TikTok, YT, etc, there is a giant informational firewall that mostly prevents anti-narratives from coming out. This is why Elon is getting so much flak despite doing so much for the green movement and tech. It shows the hypocrisy of many because they prioritize propaganda over having some truth speak expose the lies they are trying to cover up.
 
https://www.theepochtimes.com/epoch...of-americas-food-supply-chain-kip-tom-5734267

"“Food security is our national security. Any nation that’s not food secure is only three meals from chaos. And I think Xi Jinping knows that very well,” says Kip Tom, a 7th generation farmer in Indiana and a former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. agencies for food and agriculture."
China was importing garlic for less than it cost them to make. The Government finally stepped in with a 25% Tariff. At one point there were 12 main garlic farms in California there are only 3 left. Christopher Garlic ranch is one. We grow a ton of food in the USA.
 
When I saw garlic at Trader Joe’s from China, that kinda scared me. I thought Gilroy, California was the garlic capital of the world?
It is. Look up the 15 minute segment on Christopher garlic ranch in California. They had to put up with alot. Not sure why China or how they can still sell here with huge Tariffs.
 
This is what happens when there is capitalism but no moral restraints is place.

It’s just business is what is usually said in these situations. But that is meant as a moral get out of jail free card to justify potentially harming others for one’s own gain.

Just because it isn’t illegal (ie, the govt intervenes to stop it) doesn’t mean it is moral.
But the next question you need to answer is just WHO decides what is moral? Certainly not our government. Name a better system that has helped more people than Capitalism?
 
But the next question you need to answer is just WHO decides what is moral? Certainly not our government. Name a better system that has helped more people than Capitalism?
Morals are certainly subjective. But some times it is a layup like this topic. Who except those profiting thinks this is a good thing?

None. Hence why I said I’m a proponent. I can call out issues while still being an advocate. It’s the best. But it isn’t perfect.
 
My question is who is being held accountable for the outsourcing and subsequent issues to begin with… I keep hearing about manufacturing being “brought back” after it fails and that is great and all. But it never should have left in the first place and if it has to (for whatever reason) then not into the hands of a known hostile country.

If I leave my gate open and my dog gets out and hurts someone then I’m liable for it. Who’s liable in these situations?
Interesting question. In the micro level, our research scientists develop a bunch of molecules and test them and pick one that they think will be beneficial in treating diseases. It hits my side of the business and we explore how to manufacture it at large scale and source the raw materials. Sometimes we can source things from European or American suppliers and sometimes we cannot. Since only about 4% of molecules at this stage get marketing approval, we're mostly focused on timeliness, not global supply chain concerns. The medical team decides what diseases to test it in and designs the clinical trials.

We're getting better and switching to non China suppliers earlier in the development lifecylcle.
 
Raise kids who have a healthy respect for Capitalism but who also do not worship it like a religious dogma. It’s almost talked about by some like a God which has moral tenets and demands rather than just a financial system. I am definitely a proponent of capitalism however I will not let it drive my morals. Money is a tool. Capitalism is how we get said tool. Morals should be the compass.
Exactly. That's why we are a blended capitalism and socialism economy.
 
What that would succeed in doing would be killing most of the world’s supply of wafer production, and especially the most advanced (where only Samsung is remotely comparable). Basically economic suicide that would create immeasurable damage to the world’s economy. I don’t think it will ever happen, but I suppose practical considerations may give way.
Spot on. That's the point.
 
1) First ALL food and drugs should absolutely by Federal Law require source of origin, for all ingredients. No exception. Including penalties for USA importers cheezing the system.

2) Begin banning all foods from countries who can't comply legitimately with 1. Doesn't matter what the food is, say 3 different manufacturers in said country caught with no label and show proof, or just caught cheating, 3 strikes per country you are out.

3) I am not sure about an all out food/drug ban because a country hacks, sends in hooker spies, has foreign agents elected in NY, interferes with our elections, etc, but that seems like a pretty easy start.

4) People's boycott. Don't buy and consume the garbage.
 
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