Why do certain news stories get major coverage?
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In the words of Nigel Tuffnel from Spinal Tap: "Death Sells."
The media lies by not reporting all facts, leaving huge gaps in the story allowing you the viewer to fill in the large gaps with ones own beliefs and agendas.
I have heard purposly bad facts being reported in this case by some media outlets, for what end I can only guess.
The nurses 'testimony' was nver heard in a court.
It was an affidavit submitted to the judge in Sept. 2003 about incidents supposedly happening in the mid 90's, the judge heard all the facts about the nurse who suddenly came forward for the family with these revelations. "Judge Greer has rejected affidavits by both Iyer and Law, calling their accounts "incredible." meaning he thought they were lying. If you knew the charting proceedures of healthcare, those 'insulin' low blood sugar incidents would have been documented... they weren't.
Iyer and Law were the accusing and ultimitly not credible nurses (their story kept changing one of them said she found a vial of insulin in Terri's room... then backed off of that accusation as she never reported it to anyone... ANYONE!)
Another example of the media is lying again by not reporting the whole story leaving out pertinent facts in order to keep the story sensational and spun to its agenda, and to allow the 'personally filled in' story to be passed along as has been done on this thread.
Has anyone considered that Terri actually did say she didn't wat to be kept alive in a situation such as this (there was a situation where she experienced a family member being kept alive by life support and therefore led to the conversation she had with her husband).
He could very well be carrying out her wishes, being true to her word.
Now he's being portrayed as a monster for having the resolve to carry out her wishes.
Anyone ever consider that he just might be a good guy making good on a promise she had him agree to?
He could have cashed in many times, the latest was a 1 million payoff to give guardinship over to the parents. He has turned down offers of 10 million in the past.
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Federal political opportunism.
Which is sickening.
In the words of Nigel Tuffnel from Spinal Tap: "Death Sells."
The media lies by not reporting all facts, leaving huge gaps in the story allowing you the viewer to fill in the large gaps with ones own beliefs and agendas.
I have heard purposly bad facts being reported in this case by some media outlets, for what end I can only guess.
The nurses 'testimony' was nver heard in a court.
It was an affidavit submitted to the judge in Sept. 2003 about incidents supposedly happening in the mid 90's, the judge heard all the facts about the nurse who suddenly came forward for the family with these revelations. "Judge Greer has rejected affidavits by both Iyer and Law, calling their accounts "incredible." meaning he thought they were lying. If you knew the charting proceedures of healthcare, those 'insulin' low blood sugar incidents would have been documented... they weren't.
Iyer and Law were the accusing and ultimitly not credible nurses (their story kept changing one of them said she found a vial of insulin in Terri's room... then backed off of that accusation as she never reported it to anyone... ANYONE!)
Another example of the media is lying again by not reporting the whole story leaving out pertinent facts in order to keep the story sensational and spun to its agenda, and to allow the 'personally filled in' story to be passed along as has been done on this thread.
Has anyone considered that Terri actually did say she didn't wat to be kept alive in a situation such as this (there was a situation where she experienced a family member being kept alive by life support and therefore led to the conversation she had with her husband).
He could very well be carrying out her wishes, being true to her word.
Now he's being portrayed as a monster for having the resolve to carry out her wishes.
Anyone ever consider that he just might be a good guy making good on a promise she had him agree to?
He could have cashed in many times, the latest was a 1 million payoff to give guardinship over to the parents. He has turned down offers of 10 million in the past.
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Federal political opportunism.
Which is sickening.
Dude, you are misinformed on many many points and have been in previous posts as well.
I don't have the time or inclination to educate you on the actual real facts, go and research it on your own, and stop watching that lying assbrain Sean Hannity.
He is truly a liar about everything he reports... EVERYTHING.
Seems like some here are missing my point. If she's in a vegetative state, as the husbands side contends, and is not aware of a single thing like feeling, emotion, discomfort, joy, sadness etc., then what purpose does death serve? The so called husband is not really a husband at all, he has broken the marriage covenant a long time ago and has a whole separate life. Killing her, and yes, that's what it is, serves only the husbands desire to end her life....but not because she's in pain (she's not, according to him), so why not let the people that will really suffer if she is left for dead, take care of her? It's the only logical and honorable thing to do....not let her die for crying out loud. He needs to step aside and allow these kind, loving and caring parents look after their daughter. On the legal side of things no living will exists, and some former friends of both Terri and her husband have questioned his honesty and integrity. At the very least the husbands claims and those of others that differ, need to be looked into much deeper than just taking his word for it. What if he isn't telling the truth? From what many have said about him, some doubt would be prudent when we are talking about killing a woman on his word.
It's a shame that we have come to have little regard for human life these days. And we are supposed to be so "enlightened"....what a sad nation we have become.
It's a shame that we have come to have little regard for human life these days. And we are supposed to be so "enlightened"....what a sad nation we have become.
That is a most interesting comment, considering that hearsay is the primary reason the plug is being pulled on Terri. (there is no written living will, only hearsay).
I haven't bothered turning on the TV news the last few days. It's wall to wall Terri.
Now, if only we could get Congress to move this quickly to fix the Social Security ponzi scam and Medicare and enact a real energy policy and round up and deport illegals
It is very possible that Mr. Schiavo is completing a promise to his ex-wife. He may, in fact, be doing this for the noblest of causes.
Her parents may also have a most noble cause. I would just weigh in a little more on their side as I feel that watching one's own child die is the worst of all possible experiences.
The lawyers say that we are a nation of laws, I would like to think that we are a nation of people. That right from wrong supercedes the law. At least that what is said when citizens protest a war or some other government action through civil disobedience.
I guess I'm wrong.
Her parents may also have a most noble cause. I would just weigh in a little more on their side as I feel that watching one's own child die is the worst of all possible experiences.
The lawyers say that we are a nation of laws, I would like to think that we are a nation of people. That right from wrong supercedes the law. At least that what is said when citizens protest a war or some other government action through civil disobedience.
I guess I'm wrong.
XS650: I also agree that Congress should stay out of most of our business. I also agree in strong seperation of church and state and do not consider myself a very religious person (I do believe in God). However, unlike most people on the left in this country, I do not consider religious people evil. As far as abortion goes I am somewhere in the middle-I believe there are times when it should be allowed ie: rape,incest,
fetus with known severe birth defects etc...I don't think it should be used for birth control especially when a women has several because she is too careless to use proper birth control. I have NO PROBLEM with the Death penalty for viscous
murderers. I guess to sum it up I believe life is precious but that some people (violent murderers) have forfeited their right to live.
Here is another untruth being circulated in the media that is completely incorrect and has been offered here, that Micheal Schiavos recounting of Terri's wish is NOT HEARSAY! In the definition of hearsay there are many exceptions:
j) a statement which explains a person's future intentions.
Do you really think you are so much smarter than 20 judges or Jeb Bush?
"In his order, Greer said he relied upon the testimony of witnesses regarding Terri's views about right-to-die issues. Schiavo, his older brother Scott and Joan Schiavo, wife of another of Schiavo's brothers, all said Terri had said or indicated that she would not want to be kept alive if her brain stopped working.
Scott Schiavo testified that after the 1988 funeral for his grandmother, who was briefly kept alive on artificial life support, a clutch of relatives sat around a luncheon table in Langhorne, Pa., talking about the way she had died. "And Terri made mention ... that, 'If I ever go like that, just let me go. Don't leave me there. I don't want to be kept alive on a machine.' "
Joan Schiavo testified that she and Terri, whom she described as "my best friend and like a sister that I never had," had discussed artificial life support as many as 12 times. Joan Schiavo testified that she had a girlfriend who had decided to take her baby off life support, and that Terri indicated she would have done the same thing."
Funny how Hannity never goes near this, the facts of the actual testimony that was heard before the courts...
Instead he propagates lies like 'hearsay' and 'polygamist' on to the husband. I don't like Hannity because he is a malicious liar and provokes and panders good people believe those lies which then they offer them here on this very board. Politics have nothing to do with it, accuracy and honesty does.
that lying assbrain Sean Hannity.
He is truly a liar about everything he reports...
Tweeker: I don't agree with everything Hannity says (Hannity is a down the line Republican,I'm not) but to say that he lies about everything is
ridiculous and untrue.
The liberal adgenda is morally bankrupt.
hello, pot? this is kettle. [/QB][/QUOTE]
That's MY opinion which I am entitled to.
Loudist states that Hannity is a liar as a fact whereas I give my opinion.
I don't think that everything Al Franken says is a lie but there must be a reason why millions listen to Hannity and 19 people listen to Franken in the whole country.
He is truly a liar about everything he reports...
Tweeker: I don't agree with everything Hannity says (Hannity is a down the line Republican,I'm not) but to say that he lies about everything is
ridiculous and untrue.
The liberal adgenda is morally bankrupt.
hello, pot? this is kettle. [/QB][/QUOTE]
That's MY opinion which I am entitled to.
Loudist states that Hannity is a liar as a fact whereas I give my opinion.
I don't think that everything Al Franken says is a lie but there must be a reason why millions listen to Hannity and 19 people listen to Franken in the whole country.
I guess President Bush changed his philosophy (or politics did) from his years as Texas Governor.:
"Washington — The federal law that President Bush signed early Monday in an effort to prolong Terri Schiavo's life appears to contradict a right-to-die law that he signed as Texas governor, prompting cries of hypocrisy from congressional Democrats and some bioethicists.
In 1999, then-Gov. Bush signed the Advance Directives Act, which lets a patient's surrogate make life-ending decisions on his or her behalf. The measure also allows Texas hospitals to disconnect patients from life-sustaining systems if a physician, in consultation with a hospital bioethics committee, concludes that the patient's condition is hopeless.
Bioethicists familiar with the Texas law said Monday that if the Schiavo case had occurred in Texas, her husband would be the legal decision-maker and, because he and her doctors agreed that she had no hope of recovery, her feeding tube would be disconnected.
"The Texas law signed in 1999 allowed next of kin to decide what the patient wanted, if competent," said John Robertson, a University of Texas bioethicist.
While Congress considered legislation recently in the Schiavo case, Bush's Texas law faced its first high-profile test. With the permission of a judge, a Houston hospital disconnected a critically ill infant from his breathing tube last week against his mother's wishes after doctors determined that continuing life support would be futile "
..But the one difference here is that this was "only" a black baby.
I assume a lot of Democrats around are just sitting back with big smiles on their faces (and keeping their mouths shut
"Washington — The federal law that President Bush signed early Monday in an effort to prolong Terri Schiavo's life appears to contradict a right-to-die law that he signed as Texas governor, prompting cries of hypocrisy from congressional Democrats and some bioethicists.
In 1999, then-Gov. Bush signed the Advance Directives Act, which lets a patient's surrogate make life-ending decisions on his or her behalf. The measure also allows Texas hospitals to disconnect patients from life-sustaining systems if a physician, in consultation with a hospital bioethics committee, concludes that the patient's condition is hopeless.
Bioethicists familiar with the Texas law said Monday that if the Schiavo case had occurred in Texas, her husband would be the legal decision-maker and, because he and her doctors agreed that she had no hope of recovery, her feeding tube would be disconnected.
"The Texas law signed in 1999 allowed next of kin to decide what the patient wanted, if competent," said John Robertson, a University of Texas bioethicist.
While Congress considered legislation recently in the Schiavo case, Bush's Texas law faced its first high-profile test. With the permission of a judge, a Houston hospital disconnected a critically ill infant from his breathing tube last week against his mother's wishes after doctors determined that continuing life support would be futile "
..But the one difference here is that this was "only" a black baby.
I assume a lot of Democrats around are just sitting back with big smiles on their faces (and keeping their mouths shut
I stand by my assessment of Hannity, those millions are trusting him because he wraps lies in retoric they want to hear but they don't realize that he isn't telling the whole truth.quote:
Originally posted by pbm:
that lying assbrain Sean Hannity.
He is truly a liar about everything he reports...
Tweeker: I don't agree with everything Hannity says (Hannity is a down the line Republican,I'm not) but to say that he lies about everything is
ridiculous and untrue.
The liberal adgenda is morally bankrupt.
Loudist states that Hannity is a liar as a fact whereas I give my opinion.
I don't think that everything Al Franken says is a lie but there must be a reason why millions listen to Hannity and 19 people listen to Franken in the whole country.
As I posted before, He doesn't come close to relaying fully factual information but will instead purposly leave out pertinent information, that is lying by omission. Disinformation always has a small percentage of truth to it.
You might want to check your Frankin / Hannity number comparison again, you might be surprised.
Media has degenerated in tabloid mentality, and its working to pit us against each other.
Look at this little peeing match going on here, if we had the same accurate information pbm and I could probably come to a consensus instead of pitching our unique versions of reality.
Of course my version is more right than his
Well at least better researched.
The recent polls are showing that the president has dropped 6% in the polls in the last week due to the Schiavo matter. And the new Darling of the party in Pa., Senator Santorium who also has been a big backer will likely be swept out of office also.quote:
Originally posted by buster:
Yep, Al posted something I was going to earlier. I think it's going to back fire on the Republicans. Bush has contradicted himself once again on this issue.
Loudist: You are absolutely right that I don't have all the facts and maybe if I did I would think differently. As a parent I emphatize with the Schindlers. Seeing your daughter starve to death and being unable to do anything is horrible.
We all have seen ****bag husbands (Scott Petersen for one) so it is easier for me to trust the intentions of the parents. As far as Hannity goes I don't agree with him on everything. I actually find myself more inline with the no-spin meister, O'Reilly. I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican but I do find myself voting more for Republicans . The Ted Kennedys' kill the Democrat party with their far left agenda. The Democrats lost a lot of middle-class white votes with their staunch support for racial quotas under the guise of 'affirmative action'. The GOP on the other hand is anti-labor and they will lose middle class
whites if they push it too hard. So whats a working guy to do.....
We all have seen ****bag husbands (Scott Petersen for one) so it is easier for me to trust the intentions of the parents. As far as Hannity goes I don't agree with him on everything. I actually find myself more inline with the no-spin meister, O'Reilly. I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican but I do find myself voting more for Republicans . The Ted Kennedys' kill the Democrat party with their far left agenda. The Democrats lost a lot of middle-class white votes with their staunch support for racial quotas under the guise of 'affirmative action'. The GOP on the other hand is anti-labor and they will lose middle class
whites if they push it too hard. So whats a working guy to do.....
Not exactly factual.....but partly. The drop in the poll numbers is true, but as far as why this has occured has not been determined. Ideas have ranged from the cost of the war in Iraq, to the price of gasoline, and yes, perhaps the Schiavo case. But to say that it's "due to the Schiavo matter" would be stretching it a tad as well as showing a bit of partisan hope. Sorry my friend, but when this is all said and done, the dems will still be in the same position that they are now....on the bottom, looking up!
There are no winners in the Schievo case.
Even the politicians who are trying to advance their agenda and distract us from the countries real problems by turning this into "panem et circenses", are finding that 70% of the country is against Congress interfering in this.
Even the politicians who are trying to advance their agenda and distract us from the countries real problems by turning this into "panem et circenses", are finding that 70% of the country is against Congress interfering in this.
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