which 5w-30?

[Pao99]

Hello everyone from Italy. I'm writing to ask which oils to use and whether they're worth it.
In my Vag 2.0 TDI 150hp, I've always used Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30. Later, I removed the DPF, re-mapped it, and excluded the EGR. I was advised to use a 0W-40, so for the past 5-6 years, I've been using Mobil 1 FS 0W-40.

1) However, I read that Mobil 1 has lost quality in the ESP line... is that true?

2) The new ESP 5W-30 has a poorer base oil. While the 5W-30 ESP Formula P version continues to have the old base oil, with PAO GTL ESTER, etc. Do you confirm?
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new formula P

3) I was thinking of starting to use Ravenol. The tests are all excellent. What's the difference between Ravenol VSW 0W-30 and VMP 5W-30?

4) In my car without a DPF, do you recommend continuing to use 0W-40? Or go back to 0/5W30?

5) I have another VAG, a completely original 2.0 TDI with DPF, AdBlue, etc. I live in an area where summer temperatures reach 40°C (104°F) and winter temperatures reach -5°C (23°F). Do you recommend 0W30 or 5W30?

Thanks everyone

 

[fantastic]

The 0w-40 is a great option for you. I'd continue that. If you must use the 30 grade then Mobil ESP 0w-30 has the ester you're after.

 

[JavierH19]

0w-40 is still great. If by lost quality you're referring to the drop in PAO then sure but it's not that important as it's still able to meet strict performance approvals and that matters more. It being deleted and you could run regular diesel oil if you so wanted but you can keep using m1 0w-40 or use esp. The engine will be happy either way. Ravenol is good but I'm not paying much extra for it over any other oil with approvals. Truthfully I'd look for the cheapest oil with the vw approval to use and keep those savings or use it to change more frequently.

 

[ceecbtg]

0w40, 0w30 and 5w30 will work similar, but most times 0w is better oil.
M1 FS 0w40 is a very good oil, you can keep it, anyway Petronas 7000 0w40, Castrol 0w40 or Eni 0w40 too. Even you can use super M1 ESP X3/X4 mid-saps. Ravenol is good but if I won't paid overprice 20-30€ vs above oils, you won't see any difference in 7 lifes, for that go with Amsoil or RedLine.

 

[Pao99]

You can watch the video with subtitles. ESP has lost quality. Does anyone have any data to confirm this?

I'd also like to understand the difference between 0W30 ESP - 0W30 ESP Formula P - 0W40FS.
Mobil 1 costs a little less than Ravenol, but I could still get Ravenol for a little more.

Another question: I've always changed my oil every 15,000 km. But I read that most oils need to be changed after 10,000 km. They lose viscosity and don't protect the engine from acids...and they oxidize.

Ravenol, on the other hand, doesn't seem to, or rather, much less so.

Mobil 1 ESP 5W30 is definitely out of the question. I don't know if the 0W30 has also lost quality. Do we have any information?

Do we have data to verify this?

 

[svenson]

2) The new ESP 5W-30 has a poorer base oil. While the 5W-30 ESP Formula P version continues to have the old base oil, with PAO GTL ESTER, etc. Do you confirm?
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but in the picture the left one is not an old 5-30 you are trying to compare,its a 0-30

 

[Pao99]

but in the picture the left one is not an old 5-30 you are trying to compare,its a 0-30

The photos are just to understand the old packaging and the new packaging

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

You can watch the video with subtitles. ESP has lost quality. Does anyone have any data to confirm this?

I'd also like to understand the difference between 0W30 ESP - 0W30 ESP Formula P - 0W40FS.
Mobil 1 costs a little less than Ravenol, but I could still get Ravenol for a little more.

Another question: I've always changed my oil every 15,000 km. But I read that most oils need to be changed after 10,000 km. They lose viscosity and don't protect the engine from acids...and they oxidize.

Ravenol, on the other hand, doesn't seem to, or rather, much less so.

Mobil 1 ESP 5W30 is definitely out of the question. I don't know if the 0W30 has also lost quality. Do we have any information?

Do we have data to verify this?

The ESP line meets the latest approvals for a large number of european makes. It is becoming the flagship line for M1 with the automotive industry moving to OPF/DPF. Also, it has been suggested that 5w30 ESP contains a unique additive (alkylated naphthalenes?) in order to meet the more stringent oxidation requirements of BMW (LL04).

M1 FS 0w40 is still their premier product for the A3/B4 space.

In the US the european makes have a 16k km (10k mile) OCI.

I would just keep doing what you're doing or use the cheaper Ravenol. Your engine will unlikely wear any differently.

 

[Pao99]

La linea ESP soddisfa le ultime omologazioni di un gran numero di marchi europei. Sta diventando la linea di punta per M1, con l'industria automobilistica che sta passando a OPF/DPF. Inoltre, è stato suggerito che l'ESP 5w30 contenga un additivo esclusivo (naftaleni alchilati?) per soddisfare i più severi requisiti di ossidazione di BMW (LL04).

M1 FS 0w40 è ancora il loro prodotto di punta per lo spazio A3/B4.

Negli Stati Uniti i marchi europei hanno un OCI di 16.000 km (10.000 miglia).

Continuerei a fare quello che stai facendo tu o userei il Ravenol più economico. Il tuo motore difficilmente si usurerà in modo diverso.

Does the new ESP 5.30 have a new, specific formula? Is anything known about it? Is the ESP 5.30 better than the ESP 0.30?

are you basically disproving the video?

 

[chris719]

I would use one of the ESP 0W-40 if available: Supercar, X3, or X4. However, all of the oils you mentioned will work.

 

[Pao99]

I would use one of the ESP 0W-40 if available: Supercar, X3, or X4. However, all of the oils you mentioned will work.

I can only use 0W40 in the car where I removed the DPF. In the other car I can't use 0W40 but 0W30 or 5W30.

 

[Glenda W.]

ESP 0W-30. Still the GTL/PAO/Ester formula.

 

[FowVay]

With the modifications that you've done to your "macchina veloce" you don't need oils that cater to emissions system protection. You could go back to using a good old VW 505.00 in a 0W-40 or 5W-40 if you wanted. In fact, that's precisely what I'd do.

 

[edyvw]

I can only use 0W40 in the car where I removed the DPF. In the other car I can't use 0W40 but 0W30 or 5W30.

You can use either.
Shell Helix PurePlus 5W40 is also very good option, as well as Castrol Edge 0W40.
It is not grade that matters, if you are going for protection, but HTHS.

 

[Pao99]

Ravenol has a lot of PAO base, while ESP 0-30 has less PAO but more ester and GTL. Isn't Ravenol better? Are we also sure that the new 0-30 has a PAO base? Are there any tests on the new packaging?

 

[kschachn]

Ravenol has a lot of PAO base, while ESP 0-30 has less PAO but more ester and GTL. Isn't Ravenol better? Are we also sure that the new 0-30 has a PAO base? Are there any tests on the new packaging?

Better how?

What kinds of tests?

 

[Pao99]

Is it a better oil in terms of base and additives? In this sense. The tests, I mean, like the one in the video, with graphs and spectroscopy?

 

[kschachn]

Is it a better oil in terms of base and additives? In this sense. The tests, I mean, like the one in the video, with graphs and spectroscopy?

If you or anyone is able to predict comparative future performance based on a spectrographic analysis then you're doing a lot better than me. Graphs or no graphs.

Mobil 1 ESP as already noted is a superior oil with several demanding approvals. including VW 504 00. That's a reliable indicator of performance. @edyvw also gives a couple of good alternatives.

 

[edyvw]

Is it a better oil in terms of base and additives? In this sense. The tests, I mean, like the one in the video, with graphs and spectroscopy?

Ravenol does not have any special additives. Ravenol buys additives from large additive companies like Lubrizol, Infineum (Mobil1) etc.
I really cannot remember who supplies Ravenol, but it is probably one of those two I mentioned.
Ravenol does have a higher % of PAO in its base stocks. But the final product is what matters.
For example, Shell uses GTL mostly in its Helix products, and this is one exceptional product:
https://www.oil-club.ru/forum/topic/46866-shell-helix-ultra-5w-40-api-sp-svezhee/

The final product is what matters.

 

[Pao99]

OK for the 0.40. I understand that it is still a good oil. My problem was to understand if the new 0.30 and 5.30 are as good.