Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Gosh, doesn't anyone get it?
Simply take the MILLIONS of cars times MILLIONS of unique personalities driving them times MILLIONS of unique usage habits and duty cycles... simple math will easily tell you that no one oil could ever meet every single person's needs.
More mindless self-aggrandizing blather won't change the numbers...
I think you, me, and a few others get it.
And it would seem the same math leads one to conjecture that no one ADDITIVE could ever answer all the needs out there.
Then you must also remember that due to their very nature these additives will be used in many 'hopeless causes' where they will appear ineffective or harmful. Perhaps that's where Skyship lives?
As stated previously, I love anecdotal information and would support his right to post it. Just so everyone knows that....
He can copy, paste, then Preach until He$$ freezes over, he can't change my mind about what I know works, ever. I've used some of his so called snake oils since the 1970's and have proven time and time again they work in many situations where dirt or sludge is causing a problem. It beats the heck out of ripping engines apart to replace or manually clean parts. Does it work in every situation? No. Has it worked in many situations, saved money, and cured problems like ticking or sticking lifters? You bet. Still everyone has a right to an opinion, and if they have the time, and money to rip things apart that don't always need to be ripped apart, more power to them! I'm still waiting on seeing all these engines destroyed as a direct result of using Kreen or MMO. Lots of people here are waiting to see them too, or hoping to see them..............
There is no point posting pictures of failed turbos as a person who is a dedicated additives fan will just say there is another reason for the failure. You can just use Google to find the reports. What I can't understand is why an additives fan ignores good advice from an engine manufacturer about how to safely clean an engine. The only cost involved is a few gaskets as you don't have to take the engine apart. A new turbo is a lot more expensive.
The at idle flushes that are made by several oil companies will do the same as any more dangerous drive around flush, although you will need to do the job twice in a bad case. They are in effect the more modern version and because the turbo is not spinning at high revs won't do any damage, although all the dealers approvals insist you watch the oil pressure light just in case the oil pump feed screen blocks, which is fairly rare.
I will see what I can do about posting some gearbox and turbo bearing failure reports, but it will be another week before I am back at work. The causes list solvent additives (Turbo), Moly related corrosion (Gearbox) and thickner related poor oil flow (Turbo) as reasons for the failures and rejected warranty claims.
The really odd thing about turbos is most of them are designed to last as long as the engine, BUT only about half manage to succeed and the main reason is poor lubrication. Sometimes it's just bad oil or poor filtration but in the US (I worked in the US for 6 years) about a third of the failures are from debris dislodged by solvents in combination with a lowered viscosity and loss of anti wear additive properties. In Germany the situation is different as for older turbos the autobahn pee stop is the real killer, as the driver can go from full power to shutdown in 30 seconds, rather than the 2 mins required for cool down. Bad oil or filters is a close second and additives less than 10%.