when there is no vw 508…

[930.engineering]

Where are you finding this info? I'm curious what it says about the DKFA variant.

I'm sorry, I only have Euro spec engines on this (DKLx and DKRx, which are both 1.0 TSI, so not NA).
You'd probably need to politely ask a dealer. Any of them have access to ETKA and ELSA. Independent garage can get access to ERWIN ($$ daily) at least in Europe.
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[bigjl]

Nope. More baseless nonsense to try and support an incorrect assumption.

You’re trying hard I’ll give you that, but you’re just grasping at straws.

So VAG didn’t intend to use 508/509 oil and they specced it by accident?

I hope you Email VAG Engineering Department straight away and inform them of their mistakes.

In the mean time can you confirm you will make good on any possible damage caused to engines where the owner doesn’t use 508/509 based on your opinion and has a lubrication related engine failure?


Or course you won’t

 

[Audiman]

You’re never going to have an oil related failure on an engine that has 508/509 specifications if you maintain correct oil level, change frequency and use any of the current VAG specifications. It’s just not going to happen!

 

[bigjl]

You’re never going to have an oil related failure on an engine that has 508/509 specifications if you maintain correct oil level, change frequency and use any of the current VAG specifications. It’s just not going to happen!

You going to guarantee that for the life of the engine?

In this instance I will stick to VAG specs

Daughters car got one too up of 5w30 and was then given an interim Oil and Filter change of 508/509

 

[kschachn]

So VAG didn’t intend to use 508/509 oil and they specced it by accident?

I hope you Email VAG Engineering Department straight away and inform them of their mistakes.

In the mean time can you confirm you will make good on any possible damage caused to engines where the owner doesn’t use 508/509 based on your opinion and has a lubrication related engine failure?


Or course you won’t

They "specced" it to comply with their fuel economy requirements, both here in the US and in the EU/UK. Not for any technical or mechanical requirement. It's idiotic to think the engine requires a lower viscosity oil for some mechanical reason.

And as to damage from 504 00 oil, fortunately I read my owner's manual and my warranty book and found no requirement for 508 00. It was a real nail biter for 50,000 miles but somehow I squeaked by. Hopefully not too much damage was done, those poor people in areas where 504 00 or even 502 00 is "specced" for the same engine must live in a real hell from the damage.

This is getting beyond ridiculous. Damage. Do you actually believe that?

 

[edyvw]

So VAG didn’t intend to use 508/509 oil and they specced it by accident?

I hope you Email VAG Engineering Department straight away and inform them of their mistakes.

In the mean time can you confirm you will make good on any possible damage caused to engines where the owner doesn’t use 508/509 based on your opinion and has a lubrication related engine failure?


Or course you won’t

Do you actually read your posts and posts of other people?
How many times people mentioned here what is the reason for going VW508.00/509.00?
If you want to discuss something, at least read other posts, maybe yours too.

 

[Audiman]

You going to guarantee that for the life of the engine?

In this instance I will stick to VAG specs

Daughters car got one too up of 5w30 and was then given an interim Oil and Filter change of 508/509

I am happy to put my money where my mouth is on the vehicles I own.

Im currently running 502 in a LR 3.0 TDV6, 504/507 in two different Ingenium evoque’s and 504/507 in a BMW M57.

You definitely seem to have an opinion that a manufacturer oil spec is the only spec that should be used judging by your previous various posts on BITOG.

 

[bigjl]

Do you actually read your posts and posts of other people?
How many times people mentioned here what is the reason for going VW508.00/509.00?
If you want to discuss something, at least read other posts, maybe yours too.

Do you actually read your posts and posts of other people?
How many times people mentioned here what is the reason for going VW508.00/509.00?
If you want to discuss something, at least read other posts, maybe yours too.

I don’t advise people to not use 508/509 as IMHO the 1.5TFSi engine is designed to use 508/509

Maybe you should read what I have been saying in my posts

VAG advise one top up of a non 508/509 oil, a max of 1 litre.

They do that for a reason.

What do you think the reason for that is?

What do you think the use of an additive/dye to allow them to tell if you have used 508/509 is?

 

[Audiman]

Maybe you should read what I have been saying in my posts

VAG advise one top up of a non 508/509 oil, a max of 1 litre.

They do that for a reason.

What do you think the reason for that is?

What do you think the use of an additive/dye to allow them to tell if you have used 508/509 is?

I’ve already told you the reason for this. It’s emissions. Nothing more.

 

[kschachn]

Maybe you should read what I have been saying in my posts

VAG advise one top up of a non 508/509 oil, a max of 1 litre.

They do that for a reason.

What do you think the reason for that is?

What do you think the use of an additive/dye to allow them to tell if you have used 508/509 is?

Explained already twenty times and ways.

Fuel economy standards and only that. And the magic, mysterious dye is to prevent and detect the use in an engine where the low HT/HS of 508 00 oil may and can cause damage. No engine, none, zip and zero engines are damaged by a somewhat higher HT/HS. But they can be damaged by one that’s too low.

Of course this has been explained 20 times too but like the rest it’s just ignored.

 

[edyvw]

Maybe you should read what I have been saying in my posts

VAG advise one top up of a non 508/509 oil, a max of 1 litre.

They do that for a reason.

What do you think the reason for that is?

What do you think the use of an additive/dye to allow them to tell if you have used 508/509 is?

Yes they do. So other companies. That is how manuals are written.
This has been discussed her xxxxxx times.
When company gets fuel ratings they cannot write in manual: “once you buy our car, shift to 5W40 bcs. we did it only to get good fuel ratings.”

Start reading other discussions, bcs. no one owes you answers and you are speeding absolute nonsense. What do you think it will happen to that engine once it sees 3 owners and 4th wants to lower oil consumption and puts 15W50? Or Lucas “oil stabilizer?”

 

[shortyb]

Nothing whatsoever in that article about oil specification.

That was just the start. It stated that the actuator solenoids failed to keep the intake camshaft in the proper position.

Then go here:
https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2020/vw-service-action-24fd.shtml

Because of the low oil pressure, VW started installing a redesigned high volume oil pump on the EA888 to allow use of a thinner oil (ie; 0W-20) to allow for proper actuation pressure on the timing gear.

 

[shortyb]

In this instance I will stick to VAG specs

Good on you. Doesn't mean the rest who believe an oil outside the 508/509 are wrong and will cause harm. Just like there is no known documentation using the 508/509 had caused damaged engines (in recommended applications), the is no known documentation to support using an oil other than 508/509 has caused damaged engines in the same application. (see chart posted by 930engineering for axample)

And asking if someone will support their position by "warrantying" someone else's engine for life because they use an oil other than recommended? Well thats acting like a pillock

 

[dubber09]

That was just the start. It stated that the actuator solenoids failed to keep the intake camshaft in the proper position.

Then go here:
https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2020/vw-service-action-24fd.shtml

Because of the low oil pressure, VW started installing a redesigned high volume oil pump on the EA888 to allow use of a thinner oil (ie; 0W-20) to allow for proper actuation pressure on the timing gear.

Lol, they had to change design to accommodate the oil.. why not redesign streets so there are less stops and idling, oh yeah, there is idle stop go system in your engine for that.... Lol

 

[achoox]

(Owned multiple ea888 Passats until 2 years ago, rarely used 504, usually used 502 (M1 0w40) since low-sulphur gas status was iffy.)

Just purchased a leftover 23 Arteon (in the US). I rather wondered what the oil situation would be; happy that gas appears OK these days to use 504 without absurdly brief OCIs; a bit worried since Golf 8 Rs with this engine tend to have 508 stickers.

Manual says "change/top up oil according to the underhood sticker; if that oil is not available, up to 1 qt. of 504 oil may be used."
The sticker? 504. Well. Since 504 is ubiquitous and inexpensive now, I guess I won't have to resort to 504.
Still have jugs of 502 left due to buying ahead for those Passats. 0w40 502 would be a bit much in the ea888 evo4, right?

 

[edyvw]

(Owned multiple ea888 Passats until 2 years ago, rarely used 504, usually used 502 (M1 0w40) since low-sulphur gas status was iffy.)

Just purchased a leftover 23 Arteon (in the US). I rather wondered what the oil situation would be; happy that gas appears OK these days to use 504 without absurdly brief OCIs; a bit worried since Golf 8 Rs with this engine tend to have 508 stickers.

Manual says "change/top up oil according to the underhood sticker; if that oil is not available, up to 1 qt. of 504 oil may be used."
The sticker? 504. Well. Since 504 is ubiquitous and inexpensive now, I guess I won't have to resort to 504.
Still have jugs of 502 left due to buying ahead for those Passats. 0w40 502 would be a bit much in the ea888 evo4, right?

No problems using VW502.00.

 

[dbias]

(Owned multiple ea888 Passats until 2 years ago, rarely used 504, usually used 502 (M1 0w40) since low-sulphur gas status was iffy.)

Just purchased a leftover 23 Arteon (in the US). I rather wondered what the oil situation would be; happy that gas appears OK these days to use 504 without absurdly brief OCIs; a bit worried since Golf 8 Rs with this engine tend to have 508 stickers.

Manual says "change/top up oil according to the underhood sticker; if that oil is not available, up to 1 qt. of 504 oil may be used."
The sticker? 504. Well. Since 504 is ubiquitous and inexpensive now, I guess I won't have to resort to 504.
Still have jugs of 502 left due to buying ahead for those Passats. 0w40 502 would be a bit much in the ea888 evo4, right?

Most 0w-40 are just a hair thicker than 30 weight oils so it’s not a stretch to use it. I have an EVO4 in my GTI and I’ve moved it to 0w-30 504 for the same reason. A bit more better.

 

[Torrid]

(Owned multiple ea888 Passats until 2 years ago, rarely used 504, usually used 502 (M1 0w40) since low-sulphur gas status was iffy.)

Just purchased a leftover 23 Arteon (in the US). I rather wondered what the oil situation would be; happy that gas appears OK these days to use 504 without absurdly brief OCIs; a bit worried since Golf 8 Rs with this engine tend to have 508 stickers.

Manual says "change/top up oil according to the underhood sticker; if that oil is not available, up to 1 qt. of 504 oil may be used."
The sticker? 504. Well. Since 504 is ubiquitous and inexpensive now, I guess I won't have to resort to 504.
Still have jugs of 502 left due to buying ahead for those Passats. 0w40 502 would be a bit much in the ea888 evo4, right?

I don’t think 502 0w40 would be an issue. The previous gen EA888 called for it anyway.

 

[achoox]

Thanks.
However, it seems that the "could use 504" line in the manual would imply that the manual assumed something "better" on the sticker, i.e. 508 in the evo4 case. (Using 504 instead of 504 was a joke, not a typo.) Perhaps they just didn't bother pushing for 508 for gas mileage due to the low production numbers? (vs. the nearly identical engine now in the Atlas, which does get the 508 sticker.)

Even with the 508 standard existing purely to increase gas mileage, at the expense of longevity, aren't there advantages to the 504 standard vs. the 502? Anything possibly more important than the disadvantage of being thinner?
The main reason I remember for 504 over 502 with the EA888 gen 3 was carbon deposits; that problem hasn't changed wit the evo4, I assume.

The other way round: Now that the low-sulphur gas can be assumed ubiquitous enough to use 504 not just in fairly short OCIs, will a EA888 gen 3 that I've maintained with M1 502 gain anything (like magically decarbonized intake passages) from switching to 504 ASAP rather than using up the old 502?

 

[skyactiv]

Thanks.
However, it seems that the "could use 504" line in the manual would imply that the manual assumed something "better" on the sticker, i.e. 508 in the evo4 case. (Using 504 instead of 504 was a joke, not a typo.) Perhaps they just didn't bother pushing for 508 for gas mileage due to the low production numbers? (vs. the nearly identical engine now in the Atlas, which does get the 508 sticker.)

Even with the 508 standard existing purely to increase gas mileage, at the expense of longevity, aren't there advantages to the 504 standard vs. the 502? Anything possibly more important than the disadvantage of being thinner?
The main reason I remember for 504 over 502 with the EA888 gen 3 was carbon deposits; that problem hasn't changed wit the evo4, I assume.

The other way round: Now that the low-sulphur gas can be assumed ubiquitous enough to use 504 not just in fairly short OCIs, will a EA888 gen 3 that I've maintained with M1 502 gain anything (like magically decarbonized intake passages) from switching to 504 ASAP rather than using up the old 502?

There is a EA888 gen 3 intake valve video and that engine doesn't carbon up the intake valves like say a 2013 VW GTI does.
Either the Humble Mechanic or Deutsch Auto Parts posted it.