That is a strange plan. Sorta backwards of my own, I planned on finding a nice girl, which I did(the second time) kids just come about when you spend alot of time with the nice girl, which then requires a house, cars are sort of the last item, well ATVs and Dirt bkes come last. Id have to say you have the priorities of a 20 year old that a nice girl hasnt located yet, unless you are gay then you have it made,enjoy your plan. Little advice my Dad once told me, "Anything with a deed will make you money, anything with a title will lose money".
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Originally Posted By: Panzerman
That is a strange plan. Sorta backwards of my own, I planned on finding a nice girl, which I did(the second time) kids just come about when you spend alot of time with the nice girl, which then requires a house, cars are sort of the last item, well ATVs and Dirt bkes come last. Id have to say you have the priorities of a 20 year old that a nice girl hasnt located yet, unless you are gay then you have it made,enjoy your plan. Little advice my Dad once told me, "Anything with a deed will make you money, anything with a title will lose money".
Glad you're happily married with kids - seems to be a vanishing reality these days.
Funny you mention the word "gay" - that word comes up a lot when I mention my upcoming plans. However, I am as straight as an arrow, it's not that I'm not attracted to girls, they're great eye candy and heck there are many with wholesome personalities - but I am just absolutely sickened by this whole concept of marriage: You go on the altar, make a "covenant with [censored]", then you take your 50% chance of staying married til death do you part...or til divorce do you part. (The latter is one of the biggest causes of heartache in America, even worse if someone has kids.)
In any case, I don't just don't feel I need a certain woman in my life to keep me happy. I will derive happiness out of celebrating personal achievements and helping others' lives when I go into practice as a physican assistant or pharmac
ist.
That is a strange plan. Sorta backwards of my own, I planned on finding a nice girl, which I did(the second time) kids just come about when you spend alot of time with the nice girl, which then requires a house, cars are sort of the last item, well ATVs and Dirt bkes come last. Id have to say you have the priorities of a 20 year old that a nice girl hasnt located yet, unless you are gay then you have it made,enjoy your plan. Little advice my Dad once told me, "Anything with a deed will make you money, anything with a title will lose money".
Glad you're happily married with kids - seems to be a vanishing reality these days.
Funny you mention the word "gay" - that word comes up a lot when I mention my upcoming plans. However, I am as straight as an arrow, it's not that I'm not attracted to girls, they're great eye candy and heck there are many with wholesome personalities - but I am just absolutely sickened by this whole concept of marriage: You go on the altar, make a "covenant with [censored]", then you take your 50% chance of staying married til death do you part...or til divorce do you part. (The latter is one of the biggest causes of heartache in America, even worse if someone has kids.)
In any case, I don't just don't feel I need a certain woman in my life to keep me happy. I will derive happiness out of celebrating personal achievements and helping others' lives when I go into practice as a physican assistant or pharmac
ist.
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Originally Posted By: Chuck1986
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
That is a strange plan. Sorta backwards of my own, I planned on finding a nice girl, which I did(the second time) kids just come about when you spend alot of time with the nice girl, which then requires a house, cars are sort of the last item, well ATVs and Dirt bkes come last. Id have to say you have the priorities of a 20 year old that a nice girl hasnt located yet, unless you are gay then you have it made,enjoy your plan. Little advice my Dad once told me, "Anything with a deed will make you money, anything with a title will lose money".
Glad you're happily married with kids - seems to be a vanishing reality these days.
Funny you mention the word "gay" - that word comes up a lot when I mention my upcoming plans. However, I am as straight as an arrow, it's not that I'm not attracted to girls, they're great eye candy and heck there are many with wholesome personalities - but I am just absolutely sickened by this whole concept of marriage: You go on the altar, make a "covenant with [censored]", then you take your 50% chance of staying married til death do you part...or til divorce do you part. (The latter is one of the biggest causes of heartache in America, even worse if someone has kids.)
In any case, I don't just don't feel I need a certain woman in my life to keep me happy. I will derive happiness out of celebrating personal achievements and helping others' lives when I go into practice as a physican assistant or pharmac
ist.
Chuck1986, I for one have ONLY encouragement for your plans. And I speak from experience, having been married twice, being 47 years old, two kids (17 & 19), big house, rentals, high paying career, very well traveled, well read, etc, etc.
So why do I personally think that your plans are good ones? Because these days, to raise children means to compete (as a parent) with the MTV mentality of our society, and this can be daunting to say the least. These days, we parents do our best to raise our children in the ways they should go, but their peers, the media, college professors, and especially the family counselors that we might see from time to time do more harm then good, and they NEVER encourage our rebellious kids to honor and respect us parents. In other words friend, being a parent is VERY OFTEN a thankless job, a job full of pain, as one sees their children go the wrong way, being influenced by the wrong people, watching them perceive you as some kind of idiot.
Listen to Don Ickess (spelling), and follow most (not all) of his advise, and you will be a VERY happy man; now in your youth, and later in your older years.
Having a family (these days) is not 1/3 as good as what many others may claim, even in the best of conditions. Smoke and Mirrors, sir, sadly....
In another bygone time, era, yes, having a family was a wonderful fantastic thing a young person such as yourself could look to in their future, but that was then.....
....2008...this is now :-(
Still, all is not lost for me, personally...I'm single again, the kids are nearly on their own, and I'm having a great time...and NO, I will NEVER marry again, as doing so is 90% financial proposition (good or bad depending on your sex), and 10% or less actual love.
So, no, I am not writing all this from a heavy and sad heart....no, actually I'm very happy now, but I hope my words might help you stay away from LOTS of potential pain in your future....my girlfriend is a P/A and she makes about $120,000, so you are on the right tract....sure, go ahead and reward yourself, as you have earned it bucko, but also put some aside, and get into rentals, man....pick them up every few years and let your tenents pay the mortgage for you (their rental pmts offset your mortagage pmts), and before you know it, you're my age with 7-10 rentals, still in good health and full of vitality, and you too will be glad you didn't go over board with throwing too much of your $$ away on stupid cars (too much ;-)).....most important Bucko, have fun, but keep an eye to the future ;-)
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
That is a strange plan. Sorta backwards of my own, I planned on finding a nice girl, which I did(the second time) kids just come about when you spend alot of time with the nice girl, which then requires a house, cars are sort of the last item, well ATVs and Dirt bkes come last. Id have to say you have the priorities of a 20 year old that a nice girl hasnt located yet, unless you are gay then you have it made,enjoy your plan. Little advice my Dad once told me, "Anything with a deed will make you money, anything with a title will lose money".
Glad you're happily married with kids - seems to be a vanishing reality these days.
Funny you mention the word "gay" - that word comes up a lot when I mention my upcoming plans. However, I am as straight as an arrow, it's not that I'm not attracted to girls, they're great eye candy and heck there are many with wholesome personalities - but I am just absolutely sickened by this whole concept of marriage: You go on the altar, make a "covenant with [censored]", then you take your 50% chance of staying married til death do you part...or til divorce do you part. (The latter is one of the biggest causes of heartache in America, even worse if someone has kids.)
In any case, I don't just don't feel I need a certain woman in my life to keep me happy. I will derive happiness out of celebrating personal achievements and helping others' lives when I go into practice as a physican assistant or pharmac
ist.
Chuck1986, I for one have ONLY encouragement for your plans. And I speak from experience, having been married twice, being 47 years old, two kids (17 & 19), big house, rentals, high paying career, very well traveled, well read, etc, etc.
So why do I personally think that your plans are good ones? Because these days, to raise children means to compete (as a parent) with the MTV mentality of our society, and this can be daunting to say the least. These days, we parents do our best to raise our children in the ways they should go, but their peers, the media, college professors, and especially the family counselors that we might see from time to time do more harm then good, and they NEVER encourage our rebellious kids to honor and respect us parents. In other words friend, being a parent is VERY OFTEN a thankless job, a job full of pain, as one sees their children go the wrong way, being influenced by the wrong people, watching them perceive you as some kind of idiot.
Listen to Don Ickess (spelling), and follow most (not all) of his advise, and you will be a VERY happy man; now in your youth, and later in your older years.
Having a family (these days) is not 1/3 as good as what many others may claim, even in the best of conditions. Smoke and Mirrors, sir, sadly....
In another bygone time, era, yes, having a family was a wonderful fantastic thing a young person such as yourself could look to in their future, but that was then.....
....2008...this is now :-(
Still, all is not lost for me, personally...I'm single again, the kids are nearly on their own, and I'm having a great time...and NO, I will NEVER marry again, as doing so is 90% financial proposition (good or bad depending on your sex), and 10% or less actual love.
So, no, I am not writing all this from a heavy and sad heart....no, actually I'm very happy now, but I hope my words might help you stay away from LOTS of potential pain in your future....my girlfriend is a P/A and she makes about $120,000, so you are on the right tract....sure, go ahead and reward yourself, as you have earned it bucko, but also put some aside, and get into rentals, man....pick them up every few years and let your tenents pay the mortgage for you (their rental pmts offset your mortagage pmts), and before you know it, you're my age with 7-10 rentals, still in good health and full of vitality, and you too will be glad you didn't go over board with throwing too much of your $$ away on stupid cars (too much ;-)).....most important Bucko, have fun, but keep an eye to the future ;-)
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Originally Posted By: Chuck1986
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
That is a strange plan. Sorta backwards of my own, I planned on finding a nice girl, which I did(the second time) kids just come about when you spend alot of time with the nice girl, which then requires a house, cars are sort of the last item, well ATVs and Dirt bkes come last. Id have to say you have the priorities of a 20 year old that a nice girl hasnt located yet, unless you are gay then you have it made,enjoy your plan. Little advice my Dad once told me, "Anything with a deed will make you money, anything with a title will lose money".
Glad you're happily married with kids - seems to be a vanishing reality these days.
Funny you mention the word "gay" - that word comes up a lot when I mention my upcoming plans. However, I am as straight as an arrow, it's not that I'm not attracted to girls, they're great eye candy and heck there are many with wholesome personalities - but I am just absolutely sickened by this whole concept of marriage: You go on the altar, make a "covenant with [censored]", then you take your 50% chance of staying married til death do you part...or til divorce do you part. (The latter is one of the biggest causes of heartache in America, even worse if someone has kids.)
In any case, I don't just don't feel I need a certain woman in my life to keep me happy. I will derive happiness out of celebrating personal achievements and helping others' lives when I go into practice as a physican assistant or pharmac
ist.
Chuck1986, I for one have ONLY encouragement for your plans. And I speak from experience, having been married twice, being 47 years old, two kids (17 & 19), big house, rentals, high paying career, very well traveled, well read, etc, etc.
So why do I personally think that your plans are good ones? Because these days, to raise children means to compete (as a parent) with the MTV mentality of our society, and this can be daunting to say the least. These days, we parents do our best to raise our children in the ways they should go, but their peers, the media, college professors, and especially the family counselors that we might see from time to time do more harm then good, and they NEVER encourage our rebellious kids to honor and respect us parents. In other words friend, being a parent is VERY OFTEN a thankless job, a job full of pain, as one sees their children go the wrong way, being influenced by the wrong people, watching them perceive you as some kind of idiot.
Listen to Don Ickess (spelling), and follow most (not all) of his advise, and you will be a VERY happy man; now in your youth, and later in your older years.
Having a family (these days) is not 1/3 as good as what many others may claim, even in the best of conditions. Smoke and Mirrors, sir, sadly....
In another bygone time, era, yes, having a family was a wonderful fantastic thing a young person such as yourself could look to in their future, but that was then.....
....2008...this is now :-(
Still, all is not lost for me, personally...I'm single again, the kids are nearly on their own, and I'm having a great time...and NO, I will NEVER marry again, as doing so is 90% financial proposition (good or bad depending on your sex), and 10% or less actual love.
So, no, I am not writing all this from a heavy and sad heart....no, actually I'm very happy now, but I hope my words might help you stay away from LOTS of potential pain in your future....my girlfriend is a P/A and she makes about $120,000, so you are on the right tract....sure, go ahead and reward yourself, as you have earned it bucko, but also put some aside, and get into rentals, man....pick them up every few years and let your tenents pay the mortgage for you (their rental pmts offset your mortagage pmts), and before you know it, you're my age with 7-10 rentals, still in good health and full of vitality, and you too will be glad you didn't go over board with throwing too much of your $$ away on stupid cars (too much ;-)).....most important Bucko, have fun, but keep an eye to the future ;-)
Very well said. I'm glad to see a gentleman with 26 more years of experience than I, verifying my philosophy.
You're very correct about parenting being a thankless job. I don't have kids (never will), but I've grown up seeing my close friends (as well as much of my generation) disrespect their parents, take them for granted, mentally abuse them, leave past curfew time while slamming the door and cursing, you name it. All this happens while their loving, selfless parents STILL desperately try to salvage a halfway decent future for their kids. It's amazing how the term "unconditional love" can be adhered to.
In any case, I can live myself a perfectly happy life without a wife, kids, divorce(s), debt, child support, heartache and the all the other goodies that come with most marriage deals today. Your wisdom was definitely spot on and I'm sure you still have many great years ahead to enjoy a life that is centered around your principles of well-being.
Originally Posted By: Chuck1986
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
That is a strange plan. Sorta backwards of my own, I planned on finding a nice girl, which I did(the second time) kids just come about when you spend alot of time with the nice girl, which then requires a house, cars are sort of the last item, well ATVs and Dirt bkes come last. Id have to say you have the priorities of a 20 year old that a nice girl hasnt located yet, unless you are gay then you have it made,enjoy your plan. Little advice my Dad once told me, "Anything with a deed will make you money, anything with a title will lose money".
Glad you're happily married with kids - seems to be a vanishing reality these days.
Funny you mention the word "gay" - that word comes up a lot when I mention my upcoming plans. However, I am as straight as an arrow, it's not that I'm not attracted to girls, they're great eye candy and heck there are many with wholesome personalities - but I am just absolutely sickened by this whole concept of marriage: You go on the altar, make a "covenant with [censored]", then you take your 50% chance of staying married til death do you part...or til divorce do you part. (The latter is one of the biggest causes of heartache in America, even worse if someone has kids.)
In any case, I don't just don't feel I need a certain woman in my life to keep me happy. I will derive happiness out of celebrating personal achievements and helping others' lives when I go into practice as a physican assistant or pharmac
ist.
Chuck1986, I for one have ONLY encouragement for your plans. And I speak from experience, having been married twice, being 47 years old, two kids (17 & 19), big house, rentals, high paying career, very well traveled, well read, etc, etc.
So why do I personally think that your plans are good ones? Because these days, to raise children means to compete (as a parent) with the MTV mentality of our society, and this can be daunting to say the least. These days, we parents do our best to raise our children in the ways they should go, but their peers, the media, college professors, and especially the family counselors that we might see from time to time do more harm then good, and they NEVER encourage our rebellious kids to honor and respect us parents. In other words friend, being a parent is VERY OFTEN a thankless job, a job full of pain, as one sees their children go the wrong way, being influenced by the wrong people, watching them perceive you as some kind of idiot.
Listen to Don Ickess (spelling), and follow most (not all) of his advise, and you will be a VERY happy man; now in your youth, and later in your older years.
Having a family (these days) is not 1/3 as good as what many others may claim, even in the best of conditions. Smoke and Mirrors, sir, sadly....
In another bygone time, era, yes, having a family was a wonderful fantastic thing a young person such as yourself could look to in their future, but that was then.....
....2008...this is now :-(
Still, all is not lost for me, personally...I'm single again, the kids are nearly on their own, and I'm having a great time...and NO, I will NEVER marry again, as doing so is 90% financial proposition (good or bad depending on your sex), and 10% or less actual love.
So, no, I am not writing all this from a heavy and sad heart....no, actually I'm very happy now, but I hope my words might help you stay away from LOTS of potential pain in your future....my girlfriend is a P/A and she makes about $120,000, so you are on the right tract....sure, go ahead and reward yourself, as you have earned it bucko, but also put some aside, and get into rentals, man....pick them up every few years and let your tenents pay the mortgage for you (their rental pmts offset your mortagage pmts), and before you know it, you're my age with 7-10 rentals, still in good health and full of vitality, and you too will be glad you didn't go over board with throwing too much of your $$ away on stupid cars (too much ;-)).....most important Bucko, have fun, but keep an eye to the future ;-)
Very well said. I'm glad to see a gentleman with 26 more years of experience than I, verifying my philosophy.
You're very correct about parenting being a thankless job. I don't have kids (never will), but I've grown up seeing my close friends (as well as much of my generation) disrespect their parents, take them for granted, mentally abuse them, leave past curfew time while slamming the door and cursing, you name it. All this happens while their loving, selfless parents STILL desperately try to salvage a halfway decent future for their kids. It's amazing how the term "unconditional love" can be adhered to.
In any case, I can live myself a perfectly happy life without a wife, kids, divorce(s), debt, child support, heartache and the all the other goodies that come with most marriage deals today. Your wisdom was definitely spot on and I'm sure you still have many great years ahead to enjoy a life that is centered around your principles of well-being.
It always amazes me that so many people feel they can't have a good relationship with their S.O. without the legal complications of a formal marriage. Any fool with $5 can get a marriage license, but to get a divorce will likely cost him half or more of everything he owns. It doesn't seem equitable.
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