What is now considered the holy grail of dino?
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Originally Posted by kstanf150
How about a 50/50 blend ?
How will they brand that when PYB starts branding as a blend?
How about a 50/50 blend ?
How will they brand that when PYB starts branding as a blend?
Originally Posted by kstanf150
How about a 50/50 blend ?
And this is one of the handful of blends that meets D1G2 (but @$20 why not just buy a full syn?)... which I suspect will become the norm amongst blends/dino's, once GF6 is ready for prime time. I don't know that a fully Grp2 will be able to meet the Dexos like GF6 requirements???
How about a 50/50 blend ?
And this is one of the handful of blends that meets D1G2 (but @$20 why not just buy a full syn?)... which I suspect will become the norm amongst blends/dino's, once GF6 is ready for prime time. I don't know that a fully Grp2 will be able to meet the Dexos like GF6 requirements???
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I'm assuming you want dino for cost reasons and you want holy grail for engine protection reasons. Assuming 5K OCI.
Havoline 6 qt smart change at walmart $15, Chevron supreme 5qt ~ $12.5, and Supertech (high prices spread
@ ~$13 top the list. Price and performance are hard to beat.
Havoline 6 qt smart change at walmart $15, Chevron supreme 5qt ~ $12.5, and Supertech (high prices spread
Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
Pyb was the golden child forever on here. Is it still the king of dino oils?
Chevron Supreme for $12/5quart jug at wal mart com
Pyb was the golden child forever on here. Is it still the king of dino oils?
Chevron Supreme for $12/5quart jug at wal mart com
For good dino (technically a semi-syn) oil at a great price, I use Philips Choice Shield (formerly TropArtic). Is said to be the same (or extremely similar) as Motorcraft [Ford] Semi-Syn oil. Can be found fairly regularly in the mid-west, not sure about availability elsewhere in the country. I can buy a case of 12 for about $20 when they go on sale about once a month. Chevron Supreme is another personal favorite, but is near impossible to find where I live.
Originally Posted by paoester
Dinos are extinct. Almost all of them are now sythetic blends. And full syns are pretty cheap.
Agreed. At current prices, there is no reason to consider dino oils.
Dinos are extinct. Almost all of them are now sythetic blends. And full syns are pretty cheap.
Agreed. At current prices, there is no reason to consider dino oils.
Originally Posted by paoester
Dinos are extinct.
Dinos are alive...
https://www.sinclairlubricants.com/.../sinclair-conventional-10w-30-motor-oil/
Dinos are extinct.
Dinos are alive...
https://www.sinclairlubricants.com/.../sinclair-conventional-10w-30-motor-oil/
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Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
Pyb was the golden child forever on here. Is it still the king of dino oils?
Chevron Supreme for $12/5quart jug at wal mart com
Chevron is my favorite, it's a great value and a great oil. Every car I've owned has had Chevron Supreme in it at some point.
Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
Pyb was the golden child forever on here. Is it still the king of dino oils?
Chevron Supreme for $12/5quart jug at wal mart com
Chevron is my favorite, it's a great value and a great oil. Every car I've owned has had Chevron Supreme in it at some point.
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Originally Posted by paoester
Dinos are extinct. Almost all of them are now sythetic blends. And full syns are pretty cheap.
Agreed. At current prices, there is no reason to consider dino oils.
Not everyone wants Synthetic.
Originally Posted by paoester
Dinos are extinct. Almost all of them are now sythetic blends. And full syns are pretty cheap.
Agreed. At current prices, there is no reason to consider dino oils.
Not everyone wants Synthetic.
Originally Posted by wemay
Originally Posted by Astro_Guy
Originally Posted by paoester
Dinos are extinct. Almost all of them are now sythetic blends. And full syns are pretty cheap.
Agreed. At current prices, there is no reason to consider dino oils.
Not everyone wants Synthetic.
Besides my manual states conventional oil but synthetic oil can be ran. I find blends are great for 6 month oil changes and most manufacturers state conventional oil change at 10k or once a year as well as oil companies are standing by there product if you follow manufacturers guide. No reason not to run a good conventional oil and less reason to run synthetic. Conventional costs me 19.95 and Synthetic costs 33.00 for my van as I run Valvoline. Tried cheap synthetic and wound up costing me more. Personal experience.
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Originally Posted by Astro_Guy
Originally Posted by paoester
Dinos are extinct. Almost all of them are now sythetic blends. And full syns are pretty cheap.
Agreed. At current prices, there is no reason to consider dino oils.
Not everyone wants Synthetic.
Besides my manual states conventional oil but synthetic oil can be ran. I find blends are great for 6 month oil changes and most manufacturers state conventional oil change at 10k or once a year as well as oil companies are standing by there product if you follow manufacturers guide. No reason not to run a good conventional oil and less reason to run synthetic. Conventional costs me 19.95 and Synthetic costs 33.00 for my van as I run Valvoline. Tried cheap synthetic and wound up costing me more. Personal experience.
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Since my -3 Crown Vic now sees very few driving days and sits at 206k miles I figured PYB should keep it happy. I used to run M1 but I barely put 5k a year on the car. This sound reasonable?
Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
Pyb was the golden child forever on here. Is it still the king of dino oils?
Define dino. I guess you mean Group II. Both Group II and Group III are petroleum-based, so they are equally dino in that respect, even though Group III can be legally labeled synthetic in US.
I guess the four-letter derogatory word "dino" (no offense on actual dinosaurs) go back to early days of BITOG, when many people still didn't consider anything other than PAO (Group IV) and Group V base stocks synthetic.
Here is a long read on the history of "What is synthetic?" wars:
A defining moment for synthetics: Parts I & II -- Katherine Bui, Lubricants World, Oct/Nov 1999
All this said for our purposes, let's assume dino means Group II, as few oils use Group I these days except in small amounts as solvents. In fact let's drop the word dino and use Group II.
Group II oils excel in pressure - viscosity coefficient in comparison to Group III and PAO oils. By the way GTL is considered to be a Group III oil, albeit a very high-quality one.
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While some downplay the importance of the pressure - viscosity coefficient, one BITOG user who rebuilds race engines told me that they got far lower wear rates in unambiguous UOAs with Group II than with PAO. Is it the pressure - viscosity coefficient that makes the difference? It's possible. That was his explanation and I couldn't come up with a different explanation myself.
Finally to answer OP's question, I don't even know if PYB is Group II. We know Pennzoil has used generous amounts of GTL in PYB, and many times PYB has been fully GTL.
What's the king of Group II then? It is conventional HDEO. Group II doesn't get any better than in a conventional HDEO in terms of the base-oil quality as well as the additive package. If you are OK with the viscosity in your climate, you can't find a better Group II oil than a conventional HDEO.
Pyb was the golden child forever on here. Is it still the king of dino oils?
Define dino. I guess you mean Group II. Both Group II and Group III are petroleum-based, so they are equally dino in that respect, even though Group III can be legally labeled synthetic in US.
I guess the four-letter derogatory word "dino" (no offense on actual dinosaurs) go back to early days of BITOG, when many people still didn't consider anything other than PAO (Group IV) and Group V base stocks synthetic.
Here is a long read on the history of "What is synthetic?" wars:
A defining moment for synthetics: Parts I & II -- Katherine Bui, Lubricants World, Oct/Nov 1999
All this said for our purposes, let's assume dino means Group II, as few oils use Group I these days except in small amounts as solvents. In fact let's drop the word dino and use Group II.
Group II oils excel in pressure - viscosity coefficient in comparison to Group III and PAO oils. By the way GTL is considered to be a Group III oil, albeit a very high-quality one.
While some downplay the importance of the pressure - viscosity coefficient, one BITOG user who rebuilds race engines told me that they got far lower wear rates in unambiguous UOAs with Group II than with PAO. Is it the pressure - viscosity coefficient that makes the difference? It's possible. That was his explanation and I couldn't come up with a different explanation myself.
Finally to answer OP's question, I don't even know if PYB is Group II. We know Pennzoil has used generous amounts of GTL in PYB, and many times PYB has been fully GTL.
What's the king of Group II then? It is conventional HDEO. Group II doesn't get any better than in a conventional HDEO in terms of the base-oil quality as well as the additive package. If you are OK with the viscosity in your climate, you can't find a better Group II oil than a conventional HDEO.
So true, and I have the UOAs to prove it.
Gokhan, when did you suddenly become pragmatic?
Gokhan, when did you suddenly become pragmatic?
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