What happened to PP on the GM Dexos1 approved list

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To be honest I do not really care about GM'S DEXOS spec it makes GM look like GM is using oil companies as another revenue source. Pennzoil's syn blend meets the spec so I am sure Ultra and PP do also because if the syn's could not meet it but the semi-syn did do you know how much that would get people talking?
 
Some interesting stuff on that list. Also last time i checked the PP bottle still has dexos1 on the front.

Idemitsu dexos1™ 0W-30 Idemitsu dexos1 0W-30 Global
Idemitsu dexos1™ 0W-20 Idemitsu dexos1 0W-20 Global
TBD S-Oil Total Lubricants Company dexos1 5W-20 Korea
GM Genuine Motor Oil dexos1™ 5W-20 General Motors dexos1 5W-20 Korea
Edge with SPT 5W-20 Wakefield Canada dexos1 5W-20 Canada
Edge with Titanium 5W-20 Wakefield Canada dexos1 5W-20 Canada
 
Here is some more on dexos, this is why I do not support GM on this.


http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/alerts/alt192.shtm

and this

Owners manuals for 2011 GM cars state: “In the event that dexos-approved engine oil is not available at an oil change or for maintaining proper oil level, you may use substitute engine oil displaying the API Starburst symbol and of SAE 5W30 viscosity grade. Use of oils that do not meet the dexos specification, however, may result in reduced performance under certain circumstances.”
 
Originally Posted By: dave1251
This is from Valvoline.

Valvoline will not however license any of our products with General Motors.


It'll be their loss in the long run.

I'm not a big fan of the dexos thing but other car companies do the same thing.
 
Well, GM will not be pushing the DExos to much longer...


All I can say right now.


Let's just say Valvoline is not the only company they will have to deal with...
 
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: dave1251
This is from Valvoline.

Valvoline will not however license any of our products with General Motors.


It'll be their loss in the long run.

I'm not a big fan of the dexos thing but other car companies do the same thing.


No if more companies start paying GM license fees for motor oil it is your and my loss. This is just a terrible idea for GM to try receive more money that was not earned. This is just sleazy that is my opinion.
 
You may be right...if you check the Pennzoil site the PP spec no longer lists Dexos1 approval. Maybe SOPUS told them to stick it. As for me with several vehicles under GM warranties I guess the wise thing to do to avoid any potential issues would be to switch back to M1 or M1EP. Too bad, I thought the Pennz was an excellent product.
 
Confusing documentation, questions about data, and an overall lack of communication. If that's whats happening with PU its no wonder a standard like dexos is difficult to maintain for the bloated bureaucracie's other products. These blunders raise quality concerns.
 
The oil companies do not pay constant "royalties" to the automobile manufacturers based upon their market share of the business. License fees and royalties are two different costs, in my opinion. In my opinion, GM wants to have constant income coming from the oil companies that are based upon its' market share of the oil change business. I applaud those oil companies that will not get licensed nor pay for GM's market share of the business. Those costs are borne by the consumer ultimately.
 
As more oil marketers refuse to pay to play, Dexos 1 will gradually fade.
It will take GM years to back off of this standard, since it generally takes years for GM to admit to an error.
Were I BP, SOPUS or Ashland, I wouldn't be allowing GM to panhandle income from me either.
 
Originally Posted By: SLO_Town
Originally Posted By: bp09
I was just up looking to see if GM had updated the approved oil list to include PU and discovered that PP is no longer listed. What's the deal?

http://www.gmdexos.com/licensedbrands/dexos1licensedbrands.html


Look at this list. Dexos or not, I wouldn't use many of these oils in my lawnmower! Total trash. This is a shakedown by GM!

Scott


Please tell me you are not being honest, there is not a total trash company on the list, there are some that the average consumer will not recognize, but hardly total trash even though I am not a fan of GM at the moment I would not say GM is total trash and you can argue GM is the most shady company on that list.
 
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: SLO_Town
Originally Posted By: bp09
I was just up looking to see if GM had updated the approved oil list to include PU and discovered that PP is no longer listed. What's the deal?

http://www.gmdexos.com/licensedbrands/dexos1licensedbrands.html


Look at this list. Dexos or not, I wouldn't use many of these oils in my lawnmower! Total trash. This is a shakedown by GM!

Scott


Please tell me you are not being honest, there is not a total trash company on the list, there are some that the average consumer will not recognize, but hardly total trash even though I am not a fan of GM at the moment I would not say GM is total trash and you can argue GM is the most shady company on that list.


Dave, I am dead serious.

Colorado Petroleum Products Co. took me to a site where my anti-virus said was unsafe. I tried again and it now take me to something else, totally unrelated.

Smitty's Oil, from their website "more than 400 dedicated employees", and much of their business revolves around packaging and distributing other company's products. How stout do you think their chemical engineering department is?

Bob Johnson Lubricants and Hartland Oil. Bob Johnson is a distributor of that product. Find a website for Hartland Oil.

Coastal Blending & Packaging, a blender and packager of many things. How big is their chemical engineering department?

CHS Inc. Maxtron. That appears to be Cenex oil. Never heard of them.

MFA Oil. A farmer owned co-op. Without farmers, we'd die. You have to love them. Seriously. But is this co-op the best way to get a quality automotive oil?

There are others, but I think I made my case. Understand, just because a company is huge does not mean it is a good company that makes quality products. But, given the fact that a new factory engine on my dog hauling Honda Element probably costs $10K, why take a chance with an unknown company?

I am an "equal opportunity" brand person. For example, I'd never use Valero or Arco products even with them being very large corporations. I'd never buy Costco gas; whose gas is it?

Even if I didn't do all my own automotive work, I'd never use bulk oil from a quick lube place, regardless of the brand. Many people on this very forum say that additives settle out and they shake their oil bottles. Some Blackstone VOAs have even made mention of the same thing. If true, the bottom of a bulk oil drum has to be very additive rich!

Let's take a small company, for example. Redline Oil. At least they have a track record of many seemingly satisfied users - and many VOAs and UOAs as well. Plus, they are active in the racing world. In this sense, a small company like Redline is a safe bet.

But, Hartland, MFA, Coastal, etc.? Not for me. Go ahead, you use it on your own basic $10K Honda motor. I cannot imagine someone using these unknown products on a GM LS, BMW M, or Audi S motor!

Scott
 
All you really need to produce a quality oil is a reliable supplier of consistent basestock, an additive pack supplier, a supplier of plastic bottles and a filling line.
You can even contract the blending, packaging and distribution.
The chemical engineering will be done by the suppliers.
If your own company costs are low, and you'll accept low margins, you could even be profitable.
I really doubt that any of the Dexos 1 approved oils would hurt your Honda, since they meet a standard intended to protect much higher performance engines, some of which are turbos, for however long the OLM lets the OCI go.
Just because you haven't heard of a given brand of oil doesn't mean that it's not a good product.
 
I think that the Dexos "requirement" (not using a Dexos approved oil can void your warranty if you have a related failure) is geared toward having customers return to the dealer for service out of fear of voiding their warranty. At least that seemed the jist of things when I worked as a GM salesman.
 
Originally Posted By: dave1251
To be honest I do not really care about GM'S DEXOS spec it makes GM look like GM is using oil companies as another revenue source.
What Gm is doing is nothing new. Globally companies have been "certifying" oils for awhile. Volkswagen specifies that owners should only use oils from their approved VW list. So too does Mercedes..... they've done if for over a decade now. I hear in Japan that Honda and Toyoa also require owners use only the oils listed on H & T's certified lists.

So GM is just doing what other Euro and Japanese companies have done since the 90s.
 
Originally Posted By: rrrrrroger
Originally Posted By: dave1251
To be honest I do not really care about GM'S DEXOS spec it makes GM look like GM is using oil companies as another revenue source.
What Gm is doing is nothing new. Globally companies have been "certifying" oils for awhile. Volkswagen specifies that owners should only use oils from their approved VW list. So too does Mercedes..... they've done if for over a decade now. I hear in Japan that Honda and Toyoa also require owners use only the oils listed on H & T's certified lists.

So GM is just doing what other Euro and Japanese companies have done since the 90s.


Nobody is balking at GM's certifications. GM had a number of certifications PRIOR to DEXOS. The issue is with the royalties GM charges.
 
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