What happened to motorking?

[dlundblad]

I didnt know they made TRD filters.. Interesting. Here's what I found.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3088149

 

[KCJeep]

Originally Posted By: steveh
That is because he was to busy bashing Wix. He made claims that the bypass on the Wix leaked and that the efficiency was only 80% when Wix claimed it was 95%.


You might have his comments confused. MK's reference to the Wix efficiency as I understand it was in regard to their low level filters like the ProSelect and Napa Silver and he was referring to the combo valve those filters use. The efficiency of 80% for those would be very reasonable if not even a bit optimistic being all paper cellulose filters. The Napa Gold/Wix branded filters are advertised at 95% as you mentioned and I've never seen him challenge that, although he is quick to point out similar priced Fram filters feature much higher efficiency at 99 percent.

 

[jrmason]

An interesting thread Ive been following regarding a Fram filter.

http://www.turbodieselregister.com/threa...ht=Fram+filters

 

[jk_636]

OCOD ^ gets you every time.

 

[goodtimes]

Originally Posted By: jrmason
An interesting thread Ive been following regarding a Fram filter.

http://www.turbodieselregister.com/threa...ht=Fram+filters
They seem to think a filter gasket was left inside the center tube, now that's a rare thing to happen, or even suggest, rather than the material dislodged from somewhere or foul play was involved. Overstressing a diesel engine and overheating it can melt a piston. I had a diesel car years ago that did that, doesn't take that much overheating either with the high compression and aluminum pistons.

 

[goodtimes]

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
I didnt know they made TRD filters.. Interesting. Here's what I found.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3088149

I don't know if they make TRD filters either until Motorking answers the question, but they look alike inside. I was going to buy ten TRDs for $92 on ebay until I saw the Denso first time fit and Fram Ultras for much less from auto stores. Suddenly, I have more filters than I know what to do with.

 

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted By: jrmason
An interesting thread Ive been following regarding a Fram filter.

http://www.turbodieselregister.com/threa...ht=Fram+filters
That's an interesting one-spends around $50 big ones, runs a programmer, tows heavy & pushes it, NO EGT GAUGE?? That's a disaster waiting to happen!

 

[jrmason]

I'm not blaming the filter here but his failure had nothing to do with over heating/over fueling. The top of the piston would have been melted down if that were the case. This was clearly a lack of lubrication. The only real question is, was it or was it not caused by the filter. I find it interesting that Fram turned it over to their claims dept so quickly, but obviously its not over yet.

 

[jrmason]

[quote doesn't take that much overheating either with the high compression and aluminum pistons. [/quote]

Correct, especially with a plugged piston cooling nozzle.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted By: Motorking
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
FRAM decided they can get more product support and advertising from ZeeOSix and 901Memphis without even paying a dime.

Haha Ha ha.
The reason I am not on here every day is because we have recently won new business at CARQUEST, Factory Motor Parts and Valvoline. Also just won the business of the entire government owned mining industry in China. I have been traveling non stop every week since September. That is the reason I include my email and cell phone in my signature. You know, so I can be easily reached. Honestly, some day it will no longer be cool to bash FRAM. I though we were there but I guess not.

Jay/MK, congratulations on landing all the new business.

I have to admit, I usually bash the FRAM OCOD, but it's all in good fun. I just prefer to use Motorcraft oil filters on my Ford engine. But, guess what is currently on it now? You got it, a FRAM ULTRA! And, I think it's doing a fine job.
I wish you the best of luck with all of your new business and hope you pick up much more!

 

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted By: jrmason
I'm not blaming the filter here but his failure had nothing to do with over heating/over fueling. The top of the piston would have been melted down if that were the case. This was clearly a lack of lubrication. The only real question is, was it or was it not caused by the filter. I find it interesting that Fram turned it over to their claims dept so quickly, but obviously its not over yet.
He got something bad in there somehow-I personally don't despise the Extra Guard filters-but, even with the redesign, I would be leery of running them on a Cummins. Too much bad history!

 

[dlundblad]

What did the old design look like?

 

[jrmason]

I'm honestly not sure what the differences are in the old and new design. Were talking a span of 12 years or so since Cummins released the TSB regarding Frams filters. If you read the article and noticed MWilsons posts he works at a Freightliner dealer and sells dozens of Frams a year for the 5.9/6.7 Cummins with zero issues. I'm not really sure what to think of the media found in that guys filter. I do believe the new Frams are infinitely better than the design of years ago, or Cummins would still have a TSB out on them. They keep a very close eye on the filtration world from all sides and their Fleetgaurd filters are pretty good evidence of that. They are not afraid to voice their concern when filters are not up to their minimum efficiency standards, like K&N for example.

 

[Motorking]

Three quick questions for MotorKing:
1. Is the Ultra mesh screen stainless steel like the RP?

YES

2. The TRD oil filter looks identical almost to the RP, also made by Fram?
Yes
3. What are the can thicknesses on an Ultra, Tough Guard, Extra Guard, and RP?
All the same and RP is much thicker, same thickness as a FRAM Racing filter. Dont have time to pull prints and cant tell you on the Royal Purple filter, you would need to ask them.

 

[Motorking]

The only voice of reason in the whole thread
What was the material clogging the cooling nozzle??? More rubber or something else??

I can't help but wonder why the #6 rod bearing didn't suffer more damage if it wasn't getting enough oil??? If it had transferred material to the crank then yes, the galley was plugged. Where it did not do so I am kinda' starting to entertain the Big Papa way of thinking.

The bulletin referenced above is from 2001. The problem was addressed.

I have told you all before that we sell Fram, customers demand that we offer these along with the Fleetguard, Cat, Donaldson and Detroit Diesel filters from the OEM's. Some customers want the OEM, others are quite content paying a little less and getting a Fram.

I am in my 19th year with this dealership and I have only seen one Fram issue ever (and it was NOT on a Cummins). I directed the customer to the Fram helpline and NEVER heard another word about it.
Irving Oil is a huge fuel and oil supplier here in the tri-state area. They ran "B" series Cummins engines for years on Fram filters with zero issues. These are not weekend horse-haulers or toys, they are oil delivery units with PTO set-ups for oil and propane delivery. In the winter they run steady. Overloaded, in the cold, huge idle and PTO times accumulate.
If the post 2001 Fram filters were junk I would know about it. There would have been a failure.

Now I just looked at my 5 store history for grins, I have sold (92) PH3976AFP Fram filters in a year. If the Frams are junk I should have dead "B" series laying around everywhere and customers just screaming. That is not the case so far.

I am not a member of the Fram fan club but I do not like to see something go under a bus without some proof first. It gives the whole thing a kinda' witch hunt vibe without it.....

I am sorry that the OP had this kind of trouble but I really don't know if the filter caused it. No Pyrometer and pushing it may be the trouble. I know that my '06 would dribble piston juice out the tail pipe if I let it keep pulling without watching the EGT. It builds heat fast.

JMHO>

Mike.

FRAM blew up about 6 Cummins engines from using neoprene adhesive causing plugged piston jets, We paid for them and immediately redesigned the filter, that was 15 yrs ago. Further, the guy is really stretching here. That filter has no adbv so he is implying that a piece of square cut o ring was somehow shoved inside the filter? And that disintegrated and plugged his engine. Nothing to do with aftermarket controller, modded exhaust and hammering around towing 10,000lbs? Our lab can tell if the rubber in those parts came from one of our filters, hopefully he contacts them and follows instructions, no the legal experts in that forum. He filed a claim and FRAM is paying his his problem promptly, cant beat a company that stands behinds its products eh?

 

[CDX825]

Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
From what I've seen of the Royal Purple filters they are right with Fleetguard Stratapores, Donaldson Endurance, & Amsoil EaO for the BEST money can buy. Jay-been wondering-do you guys (still) build the Luberfiner Imperial XL synthetic oil filters, & how do they compare to the RPs?


Also wondering what the specs are on the Luberfiner Imperial XL filters.

 

[jrmason]

Originally Posted By: Motorking
Nothing to do with aftermarket controller, modded exhaust and hammering around towing 10,000lbs? Our lab can tell if the rubber in those parts came from one of our filters, hopefully he contacts them and follows instructions, no the legal experts in that forum. He filed a claim and FRAM is paying his his problem promptly, cant beat a company that stands behinds its products eh?


Deletes have proven very problematic on trucks no doubt, generally it is in the form of high cylinder pressures blowing head gaskets or the ever popular too much fuel not enough air flow method that results in a melted piston or valves. While his decision to not be able to watch his EGT's wasn't a smart one, I don't believe it had anything to do with this failure. Over fueling would have scorched the top of the piston yet it looks very clean. It very much points to a lack of oil cooling with that being said I don't have any opinions of the true cause. I would love to of seen the pieces that were inside that filter and know once and for all if it indeed was operator error but since he sent it away that will likely not happen.

I am in no way bashing your company and I hope you didn't take offense in me posting that link. There was no ill intentions involved. I thought it would be of interest to the members on an oil forum but perhaps I should have started a separate thread.

 

[goodtimes]

Originally Posted By: Motorking

Three quick questions for MotorKing:
1. Is the Ultra mesh screen stainless steel like the RP?

YES

2. The TRD oil filter looks identical almost to the RP, also made by Fram?
Yes
3. What are the can thicknesses on an Ultra, Tough Guard, Extra Guard, and RP?
All the same and RP is much thicker, same thickness as a FRAM Racing filter. Dont have time to pull prints and cant tell you on the Royal Purple filter, you would need to ask them.


Good info, thanks. Having the stainless screen is good to know for storage. Pretty expensive feature I would think. In fact, I don't know how they make much money on these things, with all the steel, manufacturing, painting, boxing, on and on, volume production I guess.

 

[martinq]

Originally Posted By: Motorking
He filed a claim and FRAM is paying his his problem promptly, cant beat a company that stands behinds its products eh?

It's very good to hear about a company that delivers on a promise. Thanks for the update.

 

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted By: jrmason
Originally Posted By: Motorking
Nothing to do with aftermarket controller, modded exhaust and hammering around towing 10,000lbs? Our lab can tell if the rubber in those parts came from one of our filters, hopefully he contacts them and follows instructions, no the legal experts in that forum. He filed a claim and FRAM is paying his his problem promptly, cant beat a company that stands behinds its products eh?


Deletes have proven very problematic on trucks no doubt, generally it is in the form of high cylinder pressures blowing head gaskets or the ever popular too much fuel not enough air flow method that results in a melted piston or valves. While his decision to not be able to watch his EGT's wasn't a smart one, I don't believe it had anything to do with this failure. Over fueling would have scorched the top of the piston yet it looks very clean. It very much points to a lack of oil cooling with that being said I don't have any opinions of the true cause. I would love to of seen the pieces that were inside that filter and know once and for all if it indeed was operator error but since he sent it away that will likely not happen.

I am in no way bashing your company and I hope you didn't take offense in me posting that link. There was no ill intentions involved. I thought it would be of interest to the members on an oil forum but perhaps I should have started a separate thread.
I'm with you-somehow the guy clogged the spray hole in the con rod & was getting NO oil to the wrist pin & cylinder wall area. If he really clogged a cooling nozzle, it didn't melt the piston, so he couldn't have gotten it that hot. How it didn't destroy the cylinder wall completely is a testament to how strong Cummins' blocks are-any passenger car engine would need bored & all new O/S pistons & rings for sure. Reading the thread, I can't help thinking that one of his OLD filter gaskets was stuck to the block (he said that had happened numerous times) & gotten into the filter adapter-just a case of VERY bad luck, it's hard to see up there from below unless your truck is on a lift with a strong light.