What happened to motorking?

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Originally Posted By: jk_636
Last I checked, Royal Purple was made by champion labs.

If Fram actually does make them, well then Im glad they finally got something right! And they do use metal end caps right? Just checking. Seems like flagship filters always use metal endcaps and lower tier filters typically use cardboard. I wonder why that is.
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Have fun in china. The OCOD will really catch on there. That is, until the Chinese govt. commandeers your factory and makes rip off filters. Just like they did to Audi, BMW, etc.

Good luck Motorking! Its good to have you back.
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You do know who Champion Labs is right?
 
Originally Posted By: Nate1979

http://www.aftermarketnews.com/executive-interview-with-bob-larson-president-of-fram-filtration/


From the link above:

"FRAM Filtration, our new company name, is the largest global supplier of filtration products for the automotive and commercial transportation industries. We formed the company in January of this year by merging two companies that had been acquired by Rank – Champion Laboratories, which was part of UCI International and FRAM, formerly part of Honeywell."
 
It looks like they were both bought out together by the Rank Group. So my filter is not made by Fram, it is made by a subsidiary of the Rank Group. Ok, Im still safe.
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^^^ I'm gonna come over there in the middle of the night and stencil FRAM on the side of those Royal Purple filters.
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Exactly 2010 FX4. IMO he was an asset to the board, and very helpful. He wasn't an engineer, but given a little time he could consult one if needed.

At least Fram made an attempt here, that's more than I can say about Purolator with their recent history. I guess ignoring their issues was the path they took. As a result they lost my business to Fram.

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+1 for me; I have even stopped using the Purolator made MCs (not due to anything at Purolator, but because the quality of the FRAM Ultra cannot be beat).
 
Originally Posted By: Motorking
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
FRAM decided they can get more product support and advertising from ZeeOSix and 901Memphis without even paying a dime.
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That or he grew tired of constantly reading all of the lame jabs at FRAM and decided he had something better to do with his time.


My guess is this:
50% what you state
50% that when truly challenged with detailed, specific questions he struggled to give competent answers at times.

IMO he's good at this job. His job is to promote some knowledge flow while encouraging sales. He's a sales-tech; he's not an engineer in a manner that I can discern. I harbor no ill-will; he does his job well. Those that don't like him simply don't understand what his job is.


I, myself, have had to rethink my position on Fram, especially the OCOD. I used it exclusively when I was younger. Then I became fearful of the "cardboard" caps. Now, I understand that it's all a means to an end. Because I run longer OCIs, my new "go to" filter is the TG for $6 at W/M. Very hard to beat that for the long runs I do.


Why Jay has left the building is anyone's guess. I would prefer to think he's just tired of this, as opposed to being sickly or some other malady. Never wish that on anyone.


Didn't leave the building, my email and cell number are all over this forum, I couldn't be easier to reach, just don't have the time to be here every day. I get 50 phone calls and over 100 emails per day in addition to having to travel he world conducting technical presentations on our products. We have won over 100 million dollars in new business in the last 6 months so yes, been waaaaaay busy.
That said I challenge this statement
50% that when truly challenged with detailed, specific questions he struggled to give competent answers at times. Would love an example where I didn't answer a question with facts. I have immediate access to the two most experienced chief engineers in the filter industry and outside of disclosing propietary information, I think I have always answered as quickly as possible.


I owe you an apology here.

It was not my intent to imply you were incapable of developing the answers. It was my intent to convey that you were likely constrained from providing answers (IP, proprietary info, legal considerations, etc). When I'm in a hurry (most always it seems) things come out quickly, then when reread, I realize I didn't put it the way I wanted. I don't think you're ignorant of the filtration topics; I think at times you're perhaps not allowed to give away secrets and/or may struggle to answer to a degree that satisfies the AR BITOGer in his nit-picking manner.

I have these challenges everyday in my job, too; between Sarbanes/Oxley, IP criteria, and all other manner of restrictions, I cannot always answer a question fully despite being completely aware of a topic.

That is what I meant. Sorry.
 
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Originally Posted By: jk_636
Last I checked, Royal Purple was made by champion labs.

If Fram actually does make them, well then Im glad they finally got something right! And they do use metal end caps right? Just checking. Seems like flagship filters always use metal endcaps and lower tier filters typically use cardboard. I wonder why that is.
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I have explained that several times on the forum. Synthetic glass media has no strength when pleated. It must have a steel screen pleat or even plastic. Not possible to capture the pleated steel screen without a flanged steel end cap. FRAM Filtration and Champion Labs merged, they are the same company-Fram Filtration is the official name
Have fun in china. The OCOD will really catch on there.It has, they actuall love american brands over there That is, until the Chinese govt. commandeers your factory and makes rip off filters. Just like they did to Audi, BMW, etc. We have no factory there, we ship from america into china, imagine that!

Good luck Motorking! Its good to have you back.
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Thanks, I enjoy my time here seriously
 
Originally Posted By: Tony10s
Originally Posted By: Motorking
.... You do know that we make Royal Purple oil filters right? ....


I didn't know that, but I guess I wouldn't since I have never considered buying one anyway due to its high price and lack of availability in the local stores.


The Royal Purple filter is a very high quality filter. Stainless steel pleated screen, synthetic glass microfiber media, very high capacity, 99%@ 20 microns efficiency, can and tapping plate built like a racing filter. The high cost is due it being built in small volume with the highest quality components and that fancy purple paint job and purple adbv are pricey. They choose to only sell the higher volume part numbers because it only makes sense.
 
From what I've seen of the Royal Purple filters they are right with Fleetguard Stratapores, Donaldson Endurance, & Amsoil EaO for the BEST money can buy. Jay-been wondering-do you guys (still) build the Luberfiner Imperial XL synthetic oil filters, & how do they compare to the RPs?
 
Originally Posted By: Motorking
Originally Posted By: Tony10s
Originally Posted By: Motorking
.... You do know that we make Royal Purple oil filters right? ....


I didn't know that, but I guess I wouldn't since I have never considered buying one anyway due to its high price and lack of availability in the local stores.


The Royal Purple filter is a very high quality filter. Stainless steel pleated screen, synthetic glass microfiber media, very high capacity, 99%@ 20 microns efficiency, can and tapping plate built like a racing filter. The high cost is due it being built in small volume with the highest quality components and that fancy purple paint job and purple adbv are pricey. They choose to only sell the higher volume part numbers because it only makes sense.


I already knew that the Royal Purple filter is a high quality filter and that it is built like a tank; however, like I said, I am not going to pay that much for a filter, especially when I can get other quality filters for less, like the FRAM Ultra for example (which in my opinion is possibly a better filter since it is also built like a tank and has the same efficiency along with two layers of synthetic media ... not to mention it is readily available in the local stores). I haven't seen a Royal Purple filter in any of the stores in my area so far. I know I can order filters and have them shipped to me, but I don't want to deal with the hassle of possibly having to send a filter back due to damage (i.e. dents). I prefer to buy my filters in the store where I can inspect them before making the purchase; thus, this alone rules out RP filters for me since they are not stocked in my area.
 
It would be hard to dent an RP filter, but I agree on the price-I've usually gotten them from Pep Boys or Amazon when they've had a deal on them, a lot of $ (compared to the Ultra)-the can is definitely stronger than an Ultra, though.
 
^^^ I'm sure that if I decided to buy/order one, I wouldn't be wasting my money because I know that it is of very high quality and built like a tank ... and I wouldn't say that I would never buy one, but it is highly unlikely due to the reasons I mentioned above, in addition to the fact that other less expensive filters meet my needs just fine.
 
Three quick questions for MotorKing:
1. Is the Ultra mesh screen stainless steel like the RP?
2. The TRD oil filter looks identical almost to the RP, also made by Fram?
3. What are the can thicknesses on an Ultra, Tough Guard, Extra Guard, and RP?
 
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