What happened to Dodge & Chrysler?

[edyvw]

Not saying that the GC-L is competition to the Yukon/Yukon XL, but that Grand Cherokee/Grand Cherokee L are the same arrangement, with the 3-row version tacked on as a sub-model after the fact.

Well, it is in the top 5 if we aren't restricting it to the "L" version and instead going by just "Grand Cherokee", which includes the 2-row version the vehicle has historically sold as. The 3-row version is a new addition to the lineup and most of the sales, unsurprisingly, are of the 2-row version.

I don't think people are shunning the "L" version due to reliability issues, as if that were the case, the non-L version, which is the same vehicle, would also be impacted and combined, they wouldn't be in the top-5.

Also, the L was available with the 5.7L HEMI up until quite recently. The pictures I posted in this thread were of that model, but apparently, even though they show on the website, you can't order that configuration anymore.

Price may be a factor. The L with the HEMI that I posted pictures of stickers for $94,000. A Palisade Ultimate at my local Hyundai dealer is $62,000. That's a rather huge difference.

Hurricane first appeared in the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer combo and is now in the RAM. It is not yet available in Grand Cherokee. Meanwhile, in the WK2, you could get he 475HP 6.4L (what I have) or the 707HP 6.2L Supercharged.

I know they offered these big V8's, but not sure that helped them sales wise. Image wise? Maybe.
I actually did not know HEMI is out from GC L. Really don't understand that strategy. As I said, GC L should already have Hurricane to help sales, competitiveness. I know that GC L is new, but other do have covered both two row segment and three grown unibody segment. That is their problem. They are so reactive, and then once they do react to market, there are issues.
Wagoneer, regardless that I think it looks hideous, looks like a good move.

 

[OVERKILL]

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@edyvw

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2024-u-s-suv-sales-figures-by-model-with-rankings/

Yeah, Grand Cherokee isn't in the first chart there unfortunately. The quarterly figures, it's 4th place, which is actually up from last year.

 

[OVERKILL]

I know they offered these big V8's, but not sure that helped them sales wise. Image wise? Maybe.
I actually did not know HEMI is out from GC L. Really don't understand that strategy. As I said, GC L should already have Hurricane to help sales, competitiveness. I know that GC L is new, but other do have covered both two row segment and three grown unibody segment. That is their problem. They are so reactive, and then once they do react to market, there are issues.
Wagoneer, regardless that I think it looks hideous, looks like a good move.

I agree, the JGC is really targeted, at least in the higher trim levels with the 3rd row (so, the L), at the X5, if we look at the prices. That they would delete the competitive engine there (5.7L) without replacing it with the Hurricane, which aligns well with BMW's powerplant, is utterly moronic. While I do expect we'll see Hurricane show up, the fact that it wasn't a transition from the 5.7L to the 3.0LTT is just ridiculous.

 

[edyvw]

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@edyvw

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2024-u-s-suv-sales-figures-by-model-with-rankings/

The numbers for CHevrolet Travers is what got my attention.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Yeah, Grand Cherokee isn't in the first chart there unfortunately. The quarterly figures, it's 4th place, which is actually up from last year.

The legacy 3 only report quarterly - have for a while. They still report monthly numbers, just at the end of quarter.

YTD it behind last year - for 2 quarters. How this compares to the rest of their segment I do not know.

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/jeep-grand-cherokee-sales-figures/

 

[edyvw]

I agree, the JGC is really targeted, at least in the higher trim levels with the 3rd row (so, the L), at the X5, if we look at the prices. That they would delete the competitive engine there (5.7L) without replacing it with the Hurricane, which aligns well with BMW's powerplant, is utterly moronic. While I do expect we'll see Hurricane show up, the fact that it wasn't a transition from the 5.7L to the 3.0LTT is just ridiculous.

For GC L they should have 3.0TT and 4cyl turbo to boost mpg.

 

[KGMtech]

This situation will damage the basis for some people describing Nissan as the "Chrysler of Japan"

What to do?

 

[SC Maintenance]

And to think, GC used to compete with things like 4-Runner, and tout off road prowess.

Its now glorified minivan.

 

[edyvw]

OK, I saw winner: Toyota Sequoia. This is the biggest question: "what were they thinking?"

 

[sohccammer427]

Here's an interesting fact.

Starting with Duryea in 1895, at least 1,900 different American companies have been formed, producing over 3,000 makes of American automobiles.

 

[Kira]

This situation will damage the basis for some people describing Nissan as the "Chrysler of Japan"

1) What situation?
2) Is "Nissan [being] the Chrysler of Japan" refer to Nissan foundering and possibly disappearing as a name, as Chrysler is today or as Chrysler claiming itself to be, "The Engineering Company"?

 

[SC Maintenance]

This situation will damage the basis for some people describing Nissan as the "Chrysler of Japan"

What to do?

I realize there are about as many Nissan fan's here as there are flat earth society members at NASA. But there not really the same issues.

Nissan sales are growing - especially in Japan.

Nissan profit per vehicle is increasing - globally.

Ghosn ruined them. Since Renault, nor Mitsubishi could ever get traction in the USA, they leaned on Nissan. They followed the same BS strategy they tried with Mits in the late 90's - make cheap, bad cars and sell them by financing people that otherwise did not deserve financing. It ended the same.

The Japanese have retaken control. There getting rid of the CVT's slowly. There trying to return to the original Nissan model - build only a few models, make them simple and highly reliable and cheaper than Toyota. It served them well for years, they just forgot in recent years. The Nissan's in my signature are the most reliable vehicles I have ever owned by a long shot.

 

[wag123]

They could sell rebadged Dacia / Renault / Citroën / Fiats as Dodges here.

Not!

 

[Allaneddie]

And to think, GC used to compete with things like 4-Runner, and tout off road prowess.

Its now glorified minivan.

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all that depends on the trim that you buy. There are quite off road capable 4X$ Grand Cherokees available if you are willing to pay for it.

 

[ripcord]

I realize there are about as many Nissan fan's here as there are flat earth society members at NASA. But there not really the same issues.

Nissan sales are growing - especially in Japan.

Nissan profit per vehicle is increasing - globally.

Ghosn ruined them. Since Renault, nor Mitsubishi could ever get traction in the USA, they leaned on Nissan. They followed the same BS strategy they tried with Mits in the late 90's - make cheap, bad cars and sell them by financing people that otherwise did not deserve financing. It ended the same.

The Japanese have retaken control. There getting rid of the CVT's slowly. There trying to return to the original Nissan model - build only a few models, make them simple and highly reliable and cheaper than Toyota. It served them well for years, they just forgot in recent years. The Nissan's in my signature are the most reliable vehicles I have ever owned by a long shot.

There were, and still are, a good number pre-Renault Nissan's in my extended family. I would agree that those Nissan's were extremely reliable. Definitely on par or better than Toyota or Honda for us.

 

[edyvw]

There were, and still are, a good number pre-Renault Nissan's in my extended family. I would agree that those Nissan's were extremely reliable. Definitely on par or better than Toyota or Honda for us.

If they did due diligence with QC, 2025 Armada might be a winner. It is everything that current Sequoia is not.

 

[andrew_j]

Yeah, I'm not seeing a ton of them either, so we'll see how that goes. They struggle getting people excited about stuff that doesn't have a familiar name. Ford had a similar problem with the Edge and Fusion.

They are struggling with their own name Dodge. You can’t get past that with majority of consumers.

Jeep and RAM is all they have.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Stellantis is seemingly dismantling the company, almost as if on purpose. Firing experienced US workers and replacing them with inexperienced third world country new hires, closing US factories and moving production to places outside the US (South America / Mexico / Egypt / Canada), and dropping vehicles from their lineup. One could speculate that they really only ever wanted Jeep, and they aren't even trying to do any good with their other brands. The CEO thinks that the main issue with the company is that they do not have an affordable EV for sale. They are also trying to go upscale in the US simply by raising prices without providing anything other then a higher price tag. They have quality issues which people might otherwise overlook if they vehicles were affordable, but they are not. Also, Chrysler is supposedly famous for having weak electrical systems, and for a company trying to go electric, that's a challenge. They are run by Europeans who don't understand the US market.

If they were interested in selling cars in the US, they have affordable models that they could sell here, but don't. They could sell rebadged Dacia / Renault / Citroën / Fiats as Dodges here.

I could go for a Dacia Duster, if the pricing was comparable to Europe - nicely equipped in the mid $20's.

 

[edyvw]

I could go for a Dacia Duster, if the pricing was comparable to Europe - nicely equipped in the mid $20's.

Dacia is killing in EU.

 

[KGMtech]

1) What situation?
2) Is "Nissan [being] the Chrysler of Japan" refer to Nissan foundering and possibly disappearing as a name, as Chrysler is today or as Chrysler claiming itself to be, for"The Engineering Company"?

The first thing is I am a fan of Nissan, they have been fine and I'm on # 4 so far. What I meant was that so many online mechanics jokingly refer to Nissan as a lower quality 3rd place offering from Japan with Toyota and Honda being #1 and #2 respectively. This goes back to the 1960's ++ era when the Big 3 were GM, Ford, Chrysler. No conspiracy theories considered or implied.