What happened to Dodge & Chrysler?

[PF52]

....we'll see how Hornet does...

I don't think I've even seen a single Hornet. That doesn't bode well for developing it into a big seller or even a medium seller.

Its a cool looking little SUV, regardless of whatever its been badge-engineered from. I would think there would be more of them around?

 

[edyvw]

Stellantis happened

Because they were doing really good before bought by FIAT? Stellantis is just bigger tent.

 

[edyvw]

Around here CDOT and CSP love the Durangos (maybe they just thought it was cute in Durango, CO).

I rode past three CDOT guys the other day on a quiet state highway. They had each driven a Durango individually to a small bridge and were just standing there looking over the edge. Three guys, three new Durangos, just standing there. Now I know why I pay .29 per package delivered to me with our new Colorado tax.

CSP does rely on Dodge mostly. But, CAPD and EPCSO here moved away mostly. Some Chargers are still with CSPD.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

JEEP Grand Cherokee should be their huge money maker. But everything I read it is absolute POS. Anyone doing long term reviews constantly has issues with them.

Every time I see one I keep thinking it's a rebadged Suburban.

 

[edyvw]

Every time I see one I keep thinking it's a rebadged Suburban.

But it is unibody, it has ZF8, and yet, Hyundai/KIA outsold it by 100,000 units. And the government buys those Cherokees.

 

[OVERKILL]

I don't think I've even seen a single Hornet. That doesn't bode well for developing it into a big seller or even a medium seller.

Its a cool looking little SUV, regardless of whatever its been badge-engineered from. I would think there would be more of them around?

Yeah, I'm not seeing a ton of them either, so we'll see how that goes. They struggle getting people excited about stuff that doesn't have a familiar name. Ford had a similar problem with the Edge and Fusion.

 

[OVERKILL]

But it is unibody, it has ZF8, and yet, Hyundai/KIA outsold it by 100,000 units. And the government buys those Cherokees.

Do you mean combined? Because KIA isn't on Motortrend's top-25 list and the Hyundai Tucson is at #15 with 209,624 units, while the GC is at #10 with 244,595 units.

 

[edyvw]

Do you mean combined? Because KIA isn't on Motortrend's top-25 list and the Hyundai Tucson is at #15 with 209,624 units, while the GC is at #10 with 244,595 units.

I was referring to Palisade/Telluride models compared to Grand Cherokee L. The segment where the money really is.
And Grand Cherokee is actually good seller for JEEP.

 

[OVERKILL]

I was referring to Palisade/Telluride models compared to Grand Cherokee L. The segment where the money really is.
And Grand Cherokee is actually good seller for JEEP.

OK, neither of them are even on the list, are you combining them?

 

[edyvw]

OK, neither of them are even on the list, are you combining them?

Yes. bcs. same vehicle. They are both 3 row SUV's, and most people cross shop them. Together they are close to 200,000 units in 2023, far exceeding L version of Grand Cherokee. Grand Cherokee combined does exceed in 2023 Palisade/Telluride by 30,000 units, but in 2024 is going to go below Palisade/Telluride.

 

[OVERKILL]

Yes. bcs. same vehicle. They are both 3 row SUV's, and most people cross shop them. Together they are close to 200,000 units in 2023, far exceeding L version of Grand Cherokee. Grand Cherokee combined does exceed in 2023 Palisade/Telluride by 30,000 units, but in 2024 is going to go below Palisade/Telluride.

Why are we isolating the L (three row) version of the GC from the non-L? They are the same platform, the L is just a touch longer. Motortrend just has "Grand Cherokee" at 244,595 units, which is greater than 30,000 units more if combined H/K figures are below 200K as you note.

 

[edyvw]

Why are we isolating the L (three row) version of the GC from the non-L? They are the same platform, the L is just a touch longer. Motortrend just has "Grand Cherokee" at 244,595 units, which is greater than 30,000 units more if combined H/K figures are below 200K as you note.

Ok, I have seen different number, so 44,000 units.
Because. three rows is where the game is. For the same reason Toyota had to come up with Grand Highlander when they saw that small one cannot compete anymore.
Both Palisade/Telluride are L's competition. And IMO, strictly from technical perspective, poor competition, but....

 

[Bill7]

They're selling what sells and not selling what isn't. Unless it's the really good voyager which got discontinued for being too good of a value as it was cannibalizing Pacifica sales. Or the hornet which isn't a good value in the space and doesn't align with what 90% of the people in sub 35k small suv space want but rather the loud 10% which still wouldn't buy it. If they made a cheaper sxt vesion with a bit less stuff, no awd, and no turbo on that 2.0 for 2-3k less it'd be more competitive and efficient. But now the delusional out of touch ceo wants to sell us electric trash chargers or a "daytona" for I think 60k minimum. It's laughable they actually believe people are going to want them. Those that spend 60k+ on a charger/challenger do so for the loud rowdy fun v8 and if they're spending 35k they're getting the v6. So it's going to get even worse for them because of the awful management they've got over there. The Chrysler family knows it's so bad they're trying to buy the company back.

I used to have a 1973 Plymouth Valient 4 door sedan. Those and their sister car (Dodge Dart) would easily go 150,000+ miles during an era when most cars never made it to 100,000 miles. Those slant 6 engines would run forever.

But Chrysler/Dodge in current day has one of the worst reliability across the whole brand of any car manufacturer according to Consumer Reports. The Pacifica is a nice van. I drove one as a rental vehicle for a month. But, the nice thing was that any repairs it would eventually need would not have to be paid for by me (as it was a rental car).

There are 3 major expenses with owning a car: Depreciation, Gasoline cost, and repair cost.
Dodge/Chrysler's probably are expensive in the Depreciation and repair cost categories.

 

[SC Maintenance]

FWIW - only numbers I trust on the www. Palisade / Telluride sales YTD are like 150K units combines. Last year was like 200K units.

If you put a Jeep trail rated badge on a Telluride the iconic nameplate would double its sales tomorrow .

I think this thread is about Dodge / Chrysler brand labels. I don't think anyone doesn't think the Jeep label is valuable. I still want a Jeep and I of all people know better.

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/kia-telluride-sales-figures/

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/hyundai-palisade-sales-figures/

 

[KrisZ]

I want to see a Jeep minivan Trailhawk edition. C’mon Stellantis, get to it!

 

[OVERKILL]

Ok, I have seen different number, so 44,000 units.
Because. three rows is where the game is. For the same reason Toyota had to come up with Grand Highlander when they saw that small one cannot compete anymore.
Both Palisade/Telluride are L's competition. And IMO, strictly from technical perspective, poor competition, but....

Durango has traditionally been the 3-row version, the L is "new", and didn't exist on WK2 and older. GC and GC-L are now like Yukon and Yukon XL, same vehicle, two configurations. Unless there's a 2-row version of Palisade/Telluride, I don't see how it's reasonable to isolate a single variant of the GC from the lineup to compare to the entirety of another marque's offerings

 

[edyvw]

Durango has traditionally been the 3-row version, the L is "new", and didn't exist on WK2 and older. GC and GC-L are now like Yukon and Yukon XL, same vehicle, two configurations. Unless there's a 2-row version of Palisade/Telluride, I don't see how it's reasonable to isolate a single variant of the GC from the lineup to compare to the entirety of another marque's offerings

I know Durango was.
Not sure GC L is competition to Yukon and Yukon XL. Body on frame, much bigger trunk etc. I mean, I can see some people cross shopping.I would say Yukon XL is competition to Wagoneer.
As for comparing, my point is that price wise and technically GC L should be absolute leader in that segment of unibody three row family SUV's. But it is not. It is not bcs. of all reliability image issues (like the fact that they cannot/don't want fix heat exchanger issue). They are late in introducing Hurricane engines, etc. Others are just much faster and more flexible in this game.

 

[Allaneddie]

Electric Dodge Charger ordering is available.

https://www.stellpower.com/news-2024/2024-charger-is-officially-on-sale/

 

[OVERKILL]

I know Durango was.
Not sure GC L is competition to Yukon and Yukon XL. Body on frame, much bigger trunk etc. I mean, I can see some people cross shopping.I would say Yukon XL is competition to Wagoneer.

Not saying that the GC-L is competition to the Yukon/Yukon XL, but that Grand Cherokee/Grand Cherokee L are the same arrangement, with the 3-row version tacked on as a sub-model after the fact.

As for comparing, my point is that price wise and technically GC L should be absolute leader in that segment of unibody three row family SUV's. But it is not. It is not bcs. of all reliability image issues (like the fact that they cannot/don't want fix heat exchanger issue).

Well, it is in the top 5 if we aren't restricting it to the "L" version and instead going by just "Grand Cherokee", which includes the 2-row version the vehicle has historically sold as. The 3-row version is a new addition to the lineup and most of the sales, unsurprisingly, are of the 2-row version.

I don't think people are shunning the "L" version due to reliability issues, as if that were the case, the non-L version, which is the same vehicle, would also be impacted and combined, they wouldn't be in the top-5.

Also, the L was available with the 5.7L HEMI up until quite recently. The pictures I posted in this thread were of that model, but apparently, even though they show on the website, you can't order that configuration anymore.

Price may be a factor. The L with the HEMI that I posted pictures of stickers for $94,000. A Palisade Ultimate at my local Hyundai dealer is $62,000. That's a rather huge difference.

They are late in introducing Hurricane engines, etc. Others are just much faster and more flexible in this game.

Hurricane first appeared in the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer combo and is now in the RAM. It is not yet available in Grand Cherokee. Meanwhile, in the WK2, you could get he 475HP 6.4L (what I have) or the 707HP 6.2L Supercharged.

 

[wemay]

@OVERKILL

@edyvw

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2024-u-s-suv-sales-figures-by-model-with-rankings/