What can beat a Civic?
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Not FAIR, Union!
That guy was a REALLY good driver!!!
That guy was a REALLY good driver!!!
You'd have to be a really good driver to wreck that way on a road, that by the looks of it, is straight as a ruler.
Excellnt driv..
WERA and SCCA-certified I hear..
Ok, Ok, I'll shut up now..
WERA and SCCA-certified I hear..
Ok, Ok, I'll shut up now..
Excellent driver..
WERA and SCCA-certified I hear..
Ok, Ok, I'll shut up now..
WERA and SCCA-certified I hear..
Ok, Ok, I'll shut up now..
I had to chime in here really quick...
First off, I heard from someone that Nurburgring in Germany is technically considered part of the public road system over there. He said that to race on it cost about the equivilent of $30...can anyone support/deny this? He said it was built to let people get the racing bug out of them so they drive calmer on the autobahn.
The reason why I bring that up is because I think if the US made something like that it might cut down on those sort of accidents.
Track days anywhere around here cost about $350-$600 for a street car...wayyyy to expensive for me, and for most people that would be doing street racing. I would love to take my TA out on a track to just have fun and burn through a set of brakes, but since its so expensive, its just a dream.
I used to do very mild forms of street racing, just against friends, but I eventually grew out of it. Like most of the people on here I think I realized that my life and other people's lives are more important than passing someone at 130mph on a road.
I have a feeling that if a racetrack that cheap was ever set up, however, it would very quickly be shut down after several lawsuits were filed from people who can't accept responsibility for bad driving...
First off, I heard from someone that Nurburgring in Germany is technically considered part of the public road system over there. He said that to race on it cost about the equivilent of $30...can anyone support/deny this? He said it was built to let people get the racing bug out of them so they drive calmer on the autobahn.
The reason why I bring that up is because I think if the US made something like that it might cut down on those sort of accidents.
Track days anywhere around here cost about $350-$600 for a street car...wayyyy to expensive for me, and for most people that would be doing street racing. I would love to take my TA out on a track to just have fun and burn through a set of brakes, but since its so expensive, its just a dream.
I used to do very mild forms of street racing, just against friends, but I eventually grew out of it. Like most of the people on here I think I realized that my life and other people's lives are more important than passing someone at 130mph on a road.
I have a feeling that if a racetrack that cheap was ever set up, however, it would very quickly be shut down after several lawsuits were filed from people who can't accept responsibility for bad driving...
Nudging this thread back on topic, I took a look at the VW Rabbit while waiting for someone the other day. It looks pretty good in person and on paper, and I'm sure the hatch will come in handy.
2007 Rabbit 2.5L 4-dr, 6-speed Automatic
Electronic Stability Program
16" Alloy Wheels
$18,700 (invoice)
2007 Honda Civic EX Auto
$18,200 (invoice)
In other words, for $500 more, I'm trading off a sunroof for ESP and wagon capability. Something to look into...
2007 Rabbit 2.5L 4-dr, 6-speed Automatic
Electronic Stability Program
16" Alloy Wheels
$18,700 (invoice)
2007 Honda Civic EX Auto
$18,200 (invoice)
In other words, for $500 more, I'm trading off a sunroof for ESP and wagon capability. Something to look into...
Just found something neat. On carsmart.com, they tested both the Civic EX and Rabbit/Jetta.
The Civic averaged 33 mpg in their urban driving test, while the Jetta/Rabbit averaged 19.4MPG!
The Civic averaged 33 mpg in their urban driving test, while the Jetta/Rabbit averaged 19.4MPG!
JHZR2
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I wouldnt doubt it... I wouldnt think that a 2.5L engine is the epitome of economy in such a smallish car.
JMH
JMH
JHZR2
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Just wanted to add that everytime there is mention of a Japanese car, you bring up comparison between your W123, just do a introspect of your posts here and you will see that, its just pointless and futile to compare a diesel relic of the past to present cars, however good the diesel relic maybe so now who is taking up the bandwidth?
OK, good point. Thanks for bringing this up!
I give credit where credit is due, based upon my experiences. Ill say good things to no end about our toyotq previa, which will be a 500k vehicle like your accord... Ill say good things about our plymouth breeze, which, despite being an American made vehicle, runs great, gives excellent fuel economy, etc., etc. even after 100k miles. Nothing to be unhappy about there. But, all in all, given our experiences with an integra, corolla, dodge colt (mitsubishi product), in reality, in my experiences, nothing can beat an old w123, when you look at engineering for ease of service, safety, longevity, etc., etc. And it is every bit as refined as any 4-cyl Japanese product from that era, for sure, as well as a vehicle, that IMO gives a lot of newer cars a run for their money in a lot of areas.
Offer a counterpoint? fine! You talk about your experiences in your vehicles, I will in mine. Is my 83 MB as 'refined' as our 96 E300D? nope... will it return 36 MPG like our 96? nope. Is there a lot less to go wrong on it, and is it a lot simpler to repair if needs be? For sure. Are either of those vehicles as excellent economy wise as my 04 saab 9-3? nope. WIll they last longer, a function of having diesel engines? probably. Will I get long, efficient, economical service and utility out of all of them for as long as I car to (which will be >200k for all), yes.
So in the end all, whats the issue? you have your points and experiences, I have mine. You may not wish to give good credit to my MB cars due to your experiences with your 300TD, I may not wish to give good credit to your honda cars with my experience with our 94 integra.
That is why a forum can be such a great wealth of information, because a LOT of people have a LOT of viewpoints. The key is to prevent them from turning into petty sqwuabbling (like this), and just present ones' personal experience-based knowledge in a concise manner.
JMH
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I love the new Rabbit from a design and build quality standpoint, and that's why I can't wait until VW drops the new 1.9L TDI engine in it!
I'll seriously consider one as soon as that happens!
The Rabbit is smooth and quiet on the highway, a step above other econo-cars, and the interior quality is the usual top-shelf VW fare...
I really don't care for the 2.5L engine, though.
I'll seriously consider one as soon as that happens!
The Rabbit is smooth and quiet on the highway, a step above other econo-cars, and the interior quality is the usual top-shelf VW fare...
I really don't care for the 2.5L engine, though.
Bleh. No longer interested in the Civic. Wasn't impressed with the test drive at all. Junk.
It's all about the Camry Hybrid or TSX now. (for me)
It's all about the Camry Hybrid or TSX now. (for me)
Civic, junk? Them's pretty strong words, ain't they?
You'll have to rule out the TSX since it's in its last year (or two?). Let's hope Toyota can make the next Corolla/Matrix not so boring: a young man on the move, such as yourself, needs a hatch! (And it wouldn't hurt for you to learn to drive a stick...)
You'll have to rule out the TSX since it's in its last year (or two?). Let's hope Toyota can make the next Corolla/Matrix not so boring: a young man on the move, such as yourself, needs a hatch! (And it wouldn't hurt for you to learn to drive a stick...)
Here is a video of how the r18 engine in the civics works. Kind of interesting.
R18 Civic Engine Video
R18 Civic Engine Video
I was just disappointed with that car. Noisy, chopping ride, etc. Lack of space as well.
Space is going to become an issue since this next car will be used for long trips. So the Corolla is pretty much out, IMO.
TSX is favorable since it's slightly smaller than a Camry yet is larger than a Corolla. It is also made in Japan, which is what I prefer. But it requires premium fuel...
Accord 4cyl with MTX - can't beat it for the usable space while sipping fuel.
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