what about those "other" HDEO's ??

[Jeffy_D]

Its oil change time again. Gonna do a HDEO run just to see if it can clean in 3k what PU left behind after 5k. Also want a lil more protection for summertime. Money is a bit tight right now, so dont wanna pay alot for slightly better results.

Question: ive heard the praising of rotella, delvac,and delo.

What makes them more popular/ recommended compared to castrol tection, valvoline blue, motorcraft diesel, Kendall super-d , mystic grease diesel oil, supertech(Warren), even the boutique brands: amsoil, red line, lubro-moly. Old posts mention scheaffers, what happened? Any good experience with these brands??

( dumb question alert)Do any resist fuel dillution well??

Is it price-performance value? Availability? Or are " the big 3" truly in a class all thier own? Would the weakest ( Dino) hdeo be better at cleaning and oil consumption than most( or all) pcmo's?

 

[skellyman]

The oils you mention are all good oils, but availablity is the biggest reason you see Delo , Delvac an Rotella in truckstops an WalMart.
Other HDEO can be found in tractor supply stores or parts houses.
Many ppl swear by other oils ie: Schaffers or Amsoil , usually because someone they know sold them the oil, not because they looked for themselves at specs of the oil.

 

[KCJeep]

Just about any HDEO is going to make most PCMO look weak. As he said, availability is a big factor. You can occasionally catch VPB and Tection on sale, but day in day out Delvac, Rotella and Delo are all available at Walmart for $13-14 dollars or so.

 

[Rob_Roy]

Quote:
Question: ive heard the praising of rotella, delvac,and delo.

What makes them more popular/ recommended compared to castrol tection, valvoline blue, motorcraft diesel, Kendall super-d , mystic grease diesel oil, supertech(Warren), even the boutique brands: amsoil, red line, lubro-moly.


Distribution and marketing.

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Old posts mention scheaffers, what happened? Any good experience with these brands??


Schaeffer's used to be a site sponsor, and they make excellent products. On-the-shelf availability isn't as great as the "majors" you mentioned earlier, but they sell a lot of products to industrial/commercial accounts.

 

[dparm]

I'd consider Renewable Lubricants' HDEOs, too. They're a boutique oil but their offering is very strong, in my opinion.

 

[rufushusky]

Originally Posted By: Rob_Roy


Distribution and marketing.


^^^ agreed, it is tough to meet CJ-4 and have a "bad oil" IMHO.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

In your car? To clean up what? Never found them benificial in any way esp delo 15w40 in a small car engine application and they are gas hogs to boot.

 

[Jeffy_D]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
In your car? To clean up what? Never found them benificial in any way esp delo 15w40 in a small car engine application and they are gas hogs to boot.


Yes , in the lebaron.

Never said.I was gonna.use 15w40.
they make lighter weight oils.

Many members on here and other forums seem to have good luck with it.

So far delvac super 10w30 and motorcraft diesel 10w30 are canidates. Ill get T5 if I can find it cheap since its dual rated for diesel and gas.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Jeffy_D
What makes them more popular/ recommended compared to castrol tection, valvoline blue, motorcraft diesel, Kendall super-d , mystic grease diesel oil, supertech(Warren), even the boutique brands: amsoil, red line, lubro-moly. Old posts mention scheaffers, what happened? Any good experience with these brands??


It's all what you can reasonably get. Up here, Rotella and Delvac 1300 are the easiest to get. Tection is rather easy to get; all our Walmarts have them. Delo has similar availability to that of Tection. The others, aside from Supertech, are much harder to obtain up here. I'd have no problems with any of them; one just has to stick with what's available, though.

 

[tommygunn]

Hah, good point! Personally I think its because Rotella and them are pretty competitively priced as it is due to marketing.

But I'd bet alot of those storebrands are actually the same as the name oils anyhow. At any rate if it meets the same HDEO specs, Im sure you're in good hands.

 

[dnewton3]

So many Q's, Jeffy_D ...

The "big three" (Delo, Delvac, Rotella) are just that because of two things: market preferrence and marketing dollars. That does NOT make them the best (because I'm convinced there is no "best"). But they certainly are very good, and turn in consistently excellent VOAs and UOAs.

But other "red headed step kids" in the market such as VPB, Tection Extra, and all the others you list, also perform very well.

Often, because of the marketing dollars, the big three perpetuate their run of success. I know that Mobil Delvac has a $5/gallon rebate going on right now. Get a gallon at any store for $13 retail, take off $5, and you have excellent HDEO that is essentially $2/qrt!!!!!!!!! Kind of hard to turn one's nose up to that, is it not? I know that Peak 15w40 is on sale for $10/gallon right now at AAP (or at least was the last time I checked).


ANY major brand name oil is going to be a good HDEO, generally. Some folks practice brand loyality, others practice fiscal loyality. Either one works well because the fluids are great performers. And I'll even extend that to many of the house brands. I've seen excellent work come from the blue ST bottles, but few want to admit how well it can do because of it's origin.


As for the dilution, I don't really know that you'll see a significant differnce in that regard. That is the great problem with fuel dilution in most common oils; the lube cannot avert the effects of the fuel after some contamination level is surpassed.


I do find a bit of irony in your thoughts that a dino HDEO is going to clean what PU cannot ... What makes you believe that one is superior to the other, in either direction??? I see no evidence either way. Generally, a dino HDEO is going to outperform a dino PCMO in soot control and detergency due to the nature of the targeted use. However, comparing/contrasting a dino HDEO to a top-tier syn such as PU may not offer any advantage. I've seen no clear evidece one way or the other. However, on a "performance per dollar" basis, if you can get Delvac 1300 with a $5 rebate, and it cleans as well as PU, then you'll save a LOT of money using HDEO for the same results, would you not? I don't know that Delac is going to clean "better" than PU, but I most assuredly know it will clean "cheaper" than PU!

 

[ac_tc]

You wont note any fuelconsumption differenses
between a 15w40 and a 10w-30.
I tried that in a -95 voyager 3.3 and i went from a 10w-40 hdeo to a 5w30 passcar oil, could note any difference except that my
wallet got a bit lighter when paying for the oil...
I used hdeo for almost five years in that 3.3 and it just
keept working.
As for fuel dilution... my durango kills a plug now and then and cosicvently runs on 7 cyl´s or so sometimes so it dilutes the oil so it smells gas badly but its still the same tacky behaviour
of the oil when i change it- so i BELIVE that hdeo have better handling capabilities than pcmo ( in my experience pcmo comes out like water when diluted, wery scientific i know but...)

 

[SEMI_287]

Cummins factory fill is Valvoline Premium Blue, so I would consider that a great oil.

 

[kmrcstintn]

WalMart's Super Tech brand, Tractor Supply Company's Traveller brand, and Peak brand are all Warren Performance Products/ Warren NorthEast products and their stuff is considered good quality among the minor brands...

not that it pertains to your situation, but Shell also carries JASO-MA certification for motorcycles (designates applicable for use in wet clutches) and I don't think any other HDEO's have it...adds to their popularity

 

[TiredTrucker]

For the last couple of changes in my Cummins ISX, I started using Mystik JT-8 syn blend 15w40 I got from my local farm supply store. It seems to be a pretty good product. Not saying it will do as well in another engine, but in my 847,000 mile ISX, I have had less oil consumption and mpg went up a little. But then, I find that engines and oils are like .22 rifles and ammunition. Some engines seem to "prefer" a particular oil, much like some .22 ammunition performs better in certain rifles. You just have to find what works best for you.

 

[Gene K]

http://extranet.detroitdiesel.com/Suppor...rint_93K218.asp

This list is a good starting point. Its oils approved for 50,000 mile drains on DD15 Detroits.