Who cares if she is a moron who wrecked her engine.
The more important question...Is she hot??
The more important question...Is she hot??
what 25,000 mile oil changes can do to a '03 Toyota
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Oh yeah Al: I bet ya her car is so hot that the engine bearings are going to "seize" due to lack of proper lubrication....
LOL!
LOL!
Her punishment should be she must look at this site everyday for 4 hours a day for a year.
Also in her next car alarms should go at the 5k mark and not stop till she gets the oil changed
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Also in her next car alarms should go at the 5k mark and not stop till she gets the oil changed
Pabs,I already said it wasn't Amsoil.
I don't mean to step on anyones feelings but I wouldn't buy any used car with 10,000, 15,000, or 25,000 mile OCI's whether they used amsoil or not...
Sure they may keep it topped off at the right level with Amsoil...They may even use a bypass filter....I'd still run from it.
I'd be much happier purchasing a used vehicle where some guy "wasted his money" on 3k-5k OCI's with synthetic.
All things being equal (except fo OCI's) which would you purchase ? Both cars using Amsoil, one with 5,000 mile OCI's or one with 15,000 mile OCI's ?
Sure they may keep it topped off at the right level with Amsoil...They may even use a bypass filter....I'd still run from it.
I'd be much happier purchasing a used vehicle where some guy "wasted his money" on 3k-5k OCI's with synthetic.
All things being equal (except fo OCI's) which would you purchase ? Both cars using Amsoil, one with 5,000 mile OCI's or one with 15,000 mile OCI's ?
You are sooooooooooooooooo right.
Sands-
Well what’s does the 3 to5K gain you?
Not saying they are” the gospel” but when you can use a synthetic and get the same, if not better wear number (along with longer drains) all around…then the 3 to 5K gains you nothing. Plus not many manuals even start 3 to 5K drains. Most are 7,500 or 10K.
Even with my Lexus ES300 sludge engine (98) I do not even need to do the 3 to 5K drains.
Unless you are testing the oil, you are guessing and the 3 to 5K are the “feel good” oil changes.
Based on all things equal, in your example, unless you have an oil test (showing data) for both engines could be the same in wearing results, or one bad and one good & for either engine. It is not that simple here.
Well what’s does the 3 to5K gain you?
Not saying they are” the gospel” but when you can use a synthetic and get the same, if not better wear number (along with longer drains) all around…then the 3 to 5K gains you nothing. Plus not many manuals even start 3 to 5K drains. Most are 7,500 or 10K.
Even with my Lexus ES300 sludge engine (98) I do not even need to do the 3 to 5K drains.
Unless you are testing the oil, you are guessing and the 3 to 5K are the “feel good” oil changes.
Based on all things equal, in your example, unless you have an oil test (showing data) for both engines could be the same in wearing results, or one bad and one good & for either engine. It is not that simple here.
what does a 3-5k OCI gain you? Simple: peace of mind. and cheaply. Yes you can spend more and stretch them out, but why?
cars are too valuable to play "i can make longer OCIs than you" games...
let's face it, most of the gamers here love to play one-upmanship on this stuff, it's like all hobbyists. Yes, hobbyists.
"I spent $2000 on a camera, so that makes me a better photogrpaher."
"I can tell the difference between CDs with and without a green magic marker circle so I'm a better audiophile."
"I bought up all the GC in the SW USA, store it in a temperature controlled vault 47 feet underground, change my oil myslef garbed in surgical grade disposable overalls and have my oil analyzed daily. I'm a better oilologist."
They agonize over which oil to use then buy it like there is no tomrrow, collecting it as if it were $20 gold pieces, seeing how long they can stretch it, spend unnecesasary $$ on analysis, fret over a $3 filter vs a $3.50 filter..... then smuggly crow about some bozo selling cow magnets....."we're smarter than that!"
yep...
This gal is the poster girl for the 3000 mi OCI w/ dino SuperTech.
The three-point oil change was about 12 bucks at Walmart, last I checked.
The three-point oil change was about 12 bucks at Walmart, last I checked.
I wonder if she got a free hot dog with the rollback!
Nah, leave the knives deeply planted in her figurative back, just where they belong. . .
So Ken, please forgive the slight vulgarity, but do you run to the bathroom to relieve yourself every 15 minutes, whether you feel the urge or not? My bladder usually takes me for hours, unless I've been consuming an exess of German liquids (of the amber type, not green...). Between 3-4 UOA I've done myself, and those I've seen here at BITOG, I've satisfied myself that 3-5k is gross overkill, pure and simple. And it's not as if over-frequent oil changes aren't without risk. Years ago (early 90s) I found that I had actually fatigued the threads on my oil drain opening in the Honda I owned at the time. And lampooning the purchasing habits of other BITOG members proves nothing. In a week or so, I'll post the UOA on the GC that was in my wife's Sequoia for 13 months and about 12k miles. Judging from the continuing outstanding, A+ performance of the engine, and the very blonde appearance of the replacement fill of GC, no problem. So how would you call this one???
Case in point here you are doing 3 to 5K drain (as you posted above) for “peace of mind and cheaply”. Are you really benefiting from it, doubtit since you are not spending the money to test it for the data; you hope so but do not know for sure. You could be 100% right and 100% incorrect. Never mind not seeing a trend line and being pro-active here on fixes. Plus there is no manual that even states these low intervals. These numbers in manuals do have padding in them as any engineer knows it.
I for one and not going these silly non-beneficial drains but not going 25K drain either. Based on my data (oil tests) I am going safely 37% longer then noted in my manual and not even pushing the oil here. Nevemind I do not even need go by what they recommend in the manual, since per my Lexus letter staring no drain intervals. Again this is with there sludge engine during these selected years. I have compared my tests to another dino user at 5K miles with the same engine and model year, and lets say it was bad on his end.
As noted, not even going that long by “extended drains here. I spend $29.XX for an oil change here. Not breaking the bank. Nevermind Lexus is $90 for a cheap dino Mobil 5000 oil change at the stealer.
Again without a cheap oil test you are guessing in every direction. As you stated, “cars are too valuable to play “ but on the other hand you do not do a cheap and simple $20 oil test that is priceless on data….
There is a lot more to an oil test then just monitoring the oil condition.
[ August 23, 2005, 12:34 PM: Message edited by: mburnickas ]
I for one and not going these silly non-beneficial drains but not going 25K drain either. Based on my data (oil tests) I am going safely 37% longer then noted in my manual and not even pushing the oil here. Nevemind I do not even need go by what they recommend in the manual, since per my Lexus letter staring no drain intervals. Again this is with there sludge engine during these selected years. I have compared my tests to another dino user at 5K miles with the same engine and model year, and lets say it was bad on his end.
As noted, not even going that long by “extended drains here. I spend $29.XX for an oil change here. Not breaking the bank. Nevermind Lexus is $90 for a cheap dino Mobil 5000 oil change at the stealer.
Again without a cheap oil test you are guessing in every direction. As you stated, “cars are too valuable to play “ but on the other hand you do not do a cheap and simple $20 oil test that is priceless on data….
[ August 23, 2005, 12:34 PM: Message edited by: mburnickas ]
I spend approx $15 and 30 minutes of my time for an oil change.
Yes, it is cheap insurance.
For me, it's priorities: I have better things to spend time and energy upon. If this is how you enjoy spending your time and money, so be it. I'll never criticize anyone who merely states "I enjoy doing this." I have some pretty bizarre hobbies myself, thank you.
Start trying to justify it economically and I'll ask you for economic data until you turn blue in the face.
my company spent lots of $$ on oil analysis on vehicles when doing work on the Alaska Pipeline. It was money well spent as replacement parts often took 6 months to make and could only be delivered within a few-month window. The replacement parts had to be predicted and on hand before they were needed. Oil analysis was valuable tool, but only one of many.
No one in this entire company does oil analysis on their personal vehicles, we don't even do it on company vehicles. We have a conservative maintenance plan, stick with it and go on about our business.
We're in the business to make money, not play games or second guess others.
Yes, it is cheap insurance.
For me, it's priorities: I have better things to spend time and energy upon. If this is how you enjoy spending your time and money, so be it. I'll never criticize anyone who merely states "I enjoy doing this." I have some pretty bizarre hobbies myself, thank you.
Start trying to justify it economically and I'll ask you for economic data until you turn blue in the face.
my company spent lots of $$ on oil analysis on vehicles when doing work on the Alaska Pipeline. It was money well spent as replacement parts often took 6 months to make and could only be delivered within a few-month window. The replacement parts had to be predicted and on hand before they were needed. Oil analysis was valuable tool, but only one of many.
No one in this entire company does oil analysis on their personal vehicles, we don't even do it on company vehicles. We have a conservative maintenance plan, stick with it and go on about our business.
We're in the business to make money, not play games or second guess others.
so I do 1 oil change every 12 K miles and it takes too much time???? If I did the 3 to 5K I would be doing 3 to 4 oil changes per year. Now that is a lot of time and waster money and oil.
Nevermind the cost on top of it and manpower issues (aka. labor).
Again not tests = major "guessing" it is cheap insurance. Nothing to support you claim. Data does not lie, by liers can.
I guess I am the oppsite since our company of over 220K people use analysis on everything. We have to since we need to be better and the military and comm market mandates it.
PS, and yes there are lots of people here that tests there ois on there cars. Just walk over the the testing facality and talk to some people. Or the Env groups.
Nevermind the cost on top of it and manpower issues (aka. labor).
Again not tests = major "guessing" it is cheap insurance. Nothing to support you claim. Data does not lie, by liers can.
I guess I am the oppsite since our company of over 220K people use analysis on everything. We have to since we need to be better and the military and comm market mandates it.
PS, and yes there are lots of people here that tests there ois on there cars. Just walk over the the testing facality and talk to some people. Or the Env groups.
Like that old commercial used to say, "pay me now or pay me later". I worked at an Olds dealer in the early 80's, a lady bought a brand new Cutlass in '81 and never changed or even checked the oil, by '83 it was in the shop for a new motor. Expensive lesson but I think she learned.
I've got no argument with the obvious truth of what happens if you leave oil in an engine long past the point when it's used up and saturated with filth. That does not, however, support a conclusion that the only way to avoid this awful fate is to routinely change your oil when it's only 1/3 to 1/2 used up. Nope, you'll probably never have a sludge problem doing the 3/3 routine, but you will be needlessly draining your wallet in addition to your crankcase. But again, it's your wallet, your money, and a free country so if 3/3 makes you feel good, go for it.
To most of you here it is a waste of time to change your oil every 3 to 5k.But eveybody has their own opinion and i respect that.
But it dosen't cost a fortune to change your oil and the peace of mind it brings is worth it.
It only costs around 28 bucks to change it with semi-syntheic or if you don't change it yourself just bring your favorite full syntheic to whoever changes it and just pay to have them change it.
Here in Miami i wouldn't think of letting it go beyond 5k due to 100 degree heat/a/c on all the time /idling in hours of traffic on a weekly basis.
But than again to each their own.
But it dosen't cost a fortune to change your oil and the peace of mind it brings is worth it.
It only costs around 28 bucks to change it with semi-syntheic or if you don't change it yourself just bring your favorite full syntheic to whoever changes it and just pay to have them change it.
Here in Miami i wouldn't think of letting it go beyond 5k due to 100 degree heat/a/c on all the time /idling in hours of traffic on a weekly basis.
But than again to each their own.
um... yea, this thread kinda veared into an OCI arguement from what was originally an interesting post with some really great pictures showing the results of OCIs that are WAY overdue..
I think we can all agree that running oil for too long results in engine problems- primarily deposits, varnish, sludge- all these contaminations will evetually destroy the engines ability to properly circulate oil and keep parts cool. Some of us will stretch the OCI with UOAs, others will use a safe routine with shorter OCIs- in the end- we are all oil nuts here and we are all doing WAY better than the general public at keeping our engines running up to par. No need for us to argue about which method is superior. We are all superior for giving a d*mn to begin with and finding this site and getting informed.
anyways... on the subject of sludge..
I bought this 2001 swift a few months ago.. ran it for 2500 miles on some castrol GTX to get a feel for consumption and such, 0 consumption after 2500.. switched it over to EP.. started consuming slightly.. had it in the garage to top it off the other night.. was peering down into the oil filler... decided I better have a closer look.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b72/mdocod/zooki before arx/
I have a hunch, that this car was owned by a female prior to my purchasing it. Had ~53.5k on it when I bought it. (now at about 57k)
I have no idea what kinda OCI this car saw before I got ahold of it.. but this really upsets me.. It's a sad day when I'm out shopping for used cars and I'll have to ask if I can remove the valve cover before I can make a decision on buying it. I might buy new from now on- if I can ever afford to.
At least it doesn't look as bad as the toyota with 25k OCI!!!
I think we can all agree that running oil for too long results in engine problems- primarily deposits, varnish, sludge- all these contaminations will evetually destroy the engines ability to properly circulate oil and keep parts cool. Some of us will stretch the OCI with UOAs, others will use a safe routine with shorter OCIs- in the end- we are all oil nuts here and we are all doing WAY better than the general public at keeping our engines running up to par. No need for us to argue about which method is superior. We are all superior for giving a d*mn to begin with and finding this site and getting informed.
anyways... on the subject of sludge..
I bought this 2001 swift a few months ago.. ran it for 2500 miles on some castrol GTX to get a feel for consumption and such, 0 consumption after 2500.. switched it over to EP.. started consuming slightly.. had it in the garage to top it off the other night.. was peering down into the oil filler... decided I better have a closer look.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b72/mdocod/zooki before arx/
I have a hunch, that this car was owned by a female prior to my purchasing it. Had ~53.5k on it when I bought it. (now at about 57k)
I have no idea what kinda OCI this car saw before I got ahold of it.. but this really upsets me.. It's a sad day when I'm out shopping for used cars and I'll have to ask if I can remove the valve cover before I can make a decision on buying it. I might buy new from now on- if I can ever afford to.
At least it doesn't look as bad as the toyota with 25k OCI!!!
Yeah MNDOCOD. That is sad to look at that.
I would never ever by a car from a young female as they will spend money on partying but not on changing they oil.
I would never ever by a car from a young female as they will spend money on partying but not on changing they oil.
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