I'm okay with it.
No problem.
We can't act "lite" in WAR
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..better to be tried by (how many in a court martial??) than carried by 6.quote:
So maybe he was a bit more leery this time around for self preservation
I was amazed by the gutsiness of the cameraman when I watched it last night on the 7:00pm ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) news and later on SBS news. He was right in there. The audio/video quality is d@mn good too. Getting shot himself the day before may get the soldier out of the sh!t with a half decent military lawyer. It was reported that he's been removed from the frontline along with his unit.
Either way, terrorist will be using this as an excuse to behead more Americans. Just like they used Abu Ghariab. This is why this shouldn't be shown on public TV. This endangers our soldiers and our citizens. So, basically now you have the media pi$$ing off more people at our soldiers and our citizens.
We as civilians don't need to know all the stories of war. My dad has never told me about his Vietnam experiences, I know one thing, he was a gunner on a helecopter. My grandpa was a medic in WWII in Europe. Never heard stories from him either. I was in the USAF, but never in a war. Only my imagination can tell my what they went through. We don't need to know, nor should we know.
I think you'll see some actions taken against the media folks embedded with our soldiers, especially our Marines. They won't allow anymore stories like this, you can bet on that. There won't be a reporter to tell the story...
This just sucks. I'm flat out flabbergasted that this even made the news. It goes to show what side our media is on.
I just read about how Muslims are mad that this happened in their mosque. BUT it's ok to have insurgents in them with their weapons??? Shows their IQ.
We as civilians don't need to know all the stories of war. My dad has never told me about his Vietnam experiences, I know one thing, he was a gunner on a helecopter. My grandpa was a medic in WWII in Europe. Never heard stories from him either. I was in the USAF, but never in a war. Only my imagination can tell my what they went through. We don't need to know, nor should we know.
I think you'll see some actions taken against the media folks embedded with our soldiers, especially our Marines. They won't allow anymore stories like this, you can bet on that. There won't be a reporter to tell the story...
This just sucks. I'm flat out flabbergasted that this even made the news. It goes to show what side our media is on.
I just read about how Muslims are mad that this happened in their mosque. BUT it's ok to have insurgents in them with their weapons??? Shows their IQ.
Hahahahaha..me tooquote:
Originally posted by JohnnyO:
I'm okay with it.No problem.
My Dad served in World War II and was in North Africa and in France during D-Day. He never much talked about his experiences. My cousin served in Vietnam and he never talked much either. Whenever my Dad WOULD talk about WWII he mostly talked about humorous stuff, places he had seen, etc. I can't remember him talking about combat except he did say that D-Day was really terrible.
I do not approve of cold blooded murder. But in war every situation can be very different. For example, you might be on a patrol and you are told you cannot take prisoners. If an enemy soldier gets wounded, what do you do? Kill him or leave him alive to report your presence to other enemy soldiers? Leave him alive to be eaten by rats? Think about it. Finishing the enemy soldier off might be the most humane thing to do. I am not trying to be gross. But am I not telling the truth?
Think of the pressure these Marines were under. They are fighting an enemy who is more then willing to die, who will put explosives on the bodies of the dead, who will attack after showing a white flag of surrender, who will fake death to try to kill American soldiers, who will hide behind civilians. The Marine who shot the wounded terrorist saw that he had been faking death. The Iraqi might have been trying to do anything-explode explosive devices, pull out a concealed weapon, etc. Would you be quick on the trigger?
War is an ugly thing. It would be nice if all war could be ended. It has been said that every soldier who has ever really experienced warfare would prefer to never fight again (except for the crazy people, of course). We should not do things like torture and murder, but we do have to be able to defend ourselves. Don't send young men (and women) in harm's way if you are unable to deal with the consequences of war. I am not trying to defend the young Marine if he was wrong. If he was wrong he will be punished. You notice the enemy we face does not punish its member's who behead, torture, and murder other human beings.
I do not approve of cold blooded murder. But in war every situation can be very different. For example, you might be on a patrol and you are told you cannot take prisoners. If an enemy soldier gets wounded, what do you do? Kill him or leave him alive to report your presence to other enemy soldiers? Leave him alive to be eaten by rats? Think about it. Finishing the enemy soldier off might be the most humane thing to do. I am not trying to be gross. But am I not telling the truth?
Think of the pressure these Marines were under. They are fighting an enemy who is more then willing to die, who will put explosives on the bodies of the dead, who will attack after showing a white flag of surrender, who will fake death to try to kill American soldiers, who will hide behind civilians. The Marine who shot the wounded terrorist saw that he had been faking death. The Iraqi might have been trying to do anything-explode explosive devices, pull out a concealed weapon, etc. Would you be quick on the trigger?
War is an ugly thing. It would be nice if all war could be ended. It has been said that every soldier who has ever really experienced warfare would prefer to never fight again (except for the crazy people, of course). We should not do things like torture and murder, but we do have to be able to defend ourselves. Don't send young men (and women) in harm's way if you are unable to deal with the consequences of war. I am not trying to defend the young Marine if he was wrong. If he was wrong he will be punished. You notice the enemy we face does not punish its member's who behead, torture, and murder other human beings.
My dad was the same. Up until he died he was the last surviving Lancaster pilot who flew on the 3 main air raids in WW II. Told me nothing about it evan after I joined the RAAF at 17. I don't even know what he did to win a DFC. War is just bad news and nobody ever wins.
Fighter Command will forever bask in glory for it's role in WWII, and it's unfortunate that the sacrifices of Bomber Command's haven't been as appreciated. As I recall Bomber Command suffered more casulaties than US air crews during the war, in spite of the publicity of US losses. Part of it was because for three years Bomber Command was about the only allied arm carrying the war to Germany, as they had been flying missions since late 1939 and the US 8th Air Force wasn't active until the fall of 1942. As I recall in the 'World at War' Speer commented that a few more raids like the one that resulted in the firestorm at Hamburg may have ended the war, as Germany wasn't prepared for such devastation. But the allies weren't able to mount a series of such raids at the time, and by the time that they were Germany was able to endure such raids and continue production.
I've been able to talk to B29, B24 and B17 crew over the years, and shaken the hand of the pilot of the Memphis Belle, but I never did meet anyone who had served in Bomber Command. My hat's off to your dad.
I've been able to talk to B29, B24 and B17 crew over the years, and shaken the hand of the pilot of the Memphis Belle, but I never did meet anyone who had served in Bomber Command. My hat's off to your dad.
Yes Bomber Command lost 55,573 airman about 50%. About 11,000 Australian's flew with BC and some 3500 odd died. 8,953 aircraft lost. I can't think of anybody who lost so many as BC and when you think about how they died (burnt) even worse. I think my father flew back with only him alive out of the 7 on-board. When your only about 20 yrs of age that will affect you. He told me it ws hard on your back as the pilot (no co-pilot in a Lanc) and died from bone cancer started in his back of course.
Yes Bomber Command lost 55,573 airman about 50%. About 11,000 Australian's flew with BC and some 3500 odd died. 8,953 aircraft lost. I can't think of anybody who lost so many as BC and when you think about how they died (burnt) even worse. I think my father flew back with only him alive out of the 7 on-board. When your only about 20 yrs of age that will affect you. He told me it ws hard on your back as the pilot (no co-pilot in a Lanc) and died from bone cancer started in his back of course.
When our guys keep fighting after they are wounded, it is heroism. When they do, it is treachery. So let them have their medals post humously. It is so much safer to check if they are armed after they are dead.
Agreed! But make sure there are no camera's around first.
One thing for sure, for the majority of people who have actually been in combat, you will notice they don't normally talk much about it. People who have not actually been in combat but claim to have been in combat are the ones doing all the talking.
And that really says everything that needs to be said about war. The men and women who have actually seen it really don't like to talk about it much.
And that really says everything that needs to be said about war. The men and women who have actually seen it really don't like to talk about it much.
I went to a lot of work earlier this year typing in this quote. Some of you may remember it, but I think my work entitles to post it one more time. It just seems very appropriate here. I found it is the novel Dreadnought.
It was by Jackie Fisher when he was still on his way up to First Lord of the British Admiralty. It was at the peace conference at the Hague in 1899. ''The essence of war is violence! Moderation in war is imbecility! ... I am not for war. I am for peace. That is why I am for a supreme Navy.... If you rub it in both at home and abroad that you are ready for instant war... and intend to be first in and hit your enemy in the belly and kick him when he is down and boil your prisoners in oil (if you take any) ...and torture his women and children, then people will keep clear of you.'' Good man, clearly understood his job.
It was by Jackie Fisher when he was still on his way up to First Lord of the British Admiralty. It was at the peace conference at the Hague in 1899. ''The essence of war is violence! Moderation in war is imbecility! ... I am not for war. I am for peace. That is why I am for a supreme Navy.... If you rub it in both at home and abroad that you are ready for instant war... and intend to be first in and hit your enemy in the belly and kick him when he is down and boil your prisoners in oil (if you take any) ...and torture his women and children, then people will keep clear of you.'' Good man, clearly understood his job.
The War with guns and bullets is only part of the problem. If you are unfortunate enough to get injured or wounded, then the War for you personally has just begun. Now you have to come home and fight with the Veterans Administration to get the medical care you justly deserve. And that care in many locations is not there even for severly injured or wounded. Minor service connected injuries only gets you a seat in the VA Hospital basement to wait 8 months to get to see a doctor, if then. Thanks to 8 years of Dems and Clinton the money was never allocated for the VA.
The USMC is perfectly capable of taking care of itself and maintaining it's high standards.
If that Marine didn't act properly within the rules of engagement, the USMC will deal with him. I hope in a lenient way.
The Marines don't need a bunch of hand wringers worrying about whether that Marine commited a war crime and they also don't need a bunch of arm chair commandos telling them to give him a free pass.
Give the Marines some credit.
1. The U.S. Marines are under fire, darting from one battle shattered building to another. Its an extremely difficult job!!
2. Debris, and the bodies of dead insurgents slow their progress.
3. The are ordered to search every room. Danger awaits them at every turn.
4. The U.S. Marines have been trained to shoot to kill, and they have been told "it's them or you!"
5. As they enter yet another building the Patrol Leader says to his men; "If it moves, shoot it!"
6. There is movement - - POW-POW-POW, the Marines shoot.
7. Oops, one less Photographer.
8. The Marines job just got easier!!!
2. Debris, and the bodies of dead insurgents slow their progress.
3. The are ordered to search every room. Danger awaits them at every turn.
4. The U.S. Marines have been trained to shoot to kill, and they have been told "it's them or you!"
5. As they enter yet another building the Patrol Leader says to his men; "If it moves, shoot it!"
6. There is movement - - POW-POW-POW, the Marines shoot.
7. Oops, one less Photographer.
8. The Marines job just got easier!!!
"The USMC is perfectly capable of taking care of itself and maintaining it's high standards.
If that Marine didn't act properly within the rules of engagement, the USMC will deal with him. I hope in a lenient way.
The Marines don't need a bunch of hand wringers worrying about whether that Marine commited a war crime and they also don't need a bunch of arm chair commandos telling them to give him a free pass.
Give the Marines some credit. "
Bull! The Marines are taking so much heat from the press. They will do whatever they can to shut the press up, even if it means punishing this Marine severely. Look at the Abu Ghariab prison incident. They finally shut the press up by punishing the soldiers, severly. There are so much politics that are played because the media is so far to the left. AGAIN, the media is just looking for stories that make our military look bad. How many stories have you seen reported of something GOOD they have done? IE, rebuilding schools, cities infrastructures, etc???
If that Marine didn't act properly within the rules of engagement, the USMC will deal with him. I hope in a lenient way.
The Marines don't need a bunch of hand wringers worrying about whether that Marine commited a war crime and they also don't need a bunch of arm chair commandos telling them to give him a free pass.
Give the Marines some credit. "
Bull! The Marines are taking so much heat from the press. They will do whatever they can to shut the press up, even if it means punishing this Marine severely. Look at the Abu Ghariab prison incident. They finally shut the press up by punishing the soldiers, severly. There are so much politics that are played because the media is so far to the left. AGAIN, the media is just looking for stories that make our military look bad. How many stories have you seen reported of something GOOD they have done? IE, rebuilding schools, cities infrastructures, etc???
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