The wife and I just bought her a new camry 4 cylinder. I want to start off right with this car from the beginning. What do yall think about running 2 or 3 oz. of auto rx evry oci from the beginning. Assumming I did this, would there never be a need in doing a full autorx treatment? I have seen posts showing motors with many miles on them and the valvetrain looks almost new. Some running dino and some running synthetic. For warranty reasons I have to do oci at 5k and use 5W-20. Instead of arx, would it be cleaner or better to run a synthetic oil? Thanks in advance...
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Just about any SM class oil at 5K OCIs will leave your engine spotless. I don't see the need for autoRX. My .02 Cheers
Auto rx dissolves carbon syn oil will not.
Your yota 4 cyl engine as an rule is not hard on engine oil. If you use an GF-4/SM oil and change around 5-6K it should run until you no longer want the car. But the only way to be sure is to get an UOA and adjust from there as needed.
I know this is not an answer to your question. But this just gives you an idea how well built them toyota engines are. My father has a 1992 toyota Previa mini van. Synth oil was Never used. Not only was synth oil never used, but he used whatever was cheaper. And his OCI was 4000-5000. The van currently has over 200,000 miles and doesnt use oil between changes, and still runs great and continues to pass every emission test. So i think the auto RX every oci on a NEW toyota is a little overkill....
If you use 5W-20 you may be pleasantly suprised. Pick whichever 5W-20 you like best or has the best price, or build an oil stash if you see a great sale.
Most 5W-20 oils are synthetic blends and very good oils.
Running 2 ounces of Auto-RX might be a very good maintenance program. I just started this in a few vehicles since adding LC-20 every 1000 miles wasn't convenient.
Once you are out of warranty you could switch to a 0W-20 or 5W-20 synthetic and change every 7000 miles.
In terms of taking good care of the car, you may find that buying the best tire for your needs [ after the oem tires wear out ] regular use of a fuel injector cleaner or Lubecontrol FP-3000, changing the transmission fluid every 30000 miles, and the coolant every 3 years or 50,000 miles may make more of a difference.
You will probably be in good shape no matter which oil service you choose.
From the Amsoil site:
2007 TOYOTA CAMRY 2.4L 4-cyl Engine Code 2AZ-FE
FILTERS
Oil Filter........ EAO10 AMSOIL Ea Oil Filter
Engine Oil
Grade 1......API*
100% Synthetic 0W-20 Motor Oil
SAE 5W-20 XL Synthetic Motor Oil
Series 2000 Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil
All Temps......5W-20, 0W-20
I'd use the Amsoil 0W20 with the EaO10 filter and change both every 15,000 severe miles, 25,000 normal miles or once a year, whichever occurs first. This will not void you factory warranty (Amsoil has never voided a factory warranty in 35 years with their recommended products). You will also get a free parts and labor warranty should any Amsoil recommended lubricant and filter ever fail before and after your factory warranty runs out. No additives needed or recommended.
2007 TOYOTA CAMRY 2.4L 4-cyl Engine Code 2AZ-FE
FILTERS
Oil Filter........ EAO10 AMSOIL Ea Oil Filter
Engine Oil
Grade 1......API*
100% Synthetic 0W-20 Motor Oil
SAE 5W-20 XL Synthetic Motor Oil
Series 2000 Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil
All Temps......5W-20, 0W-20
I'd use the Amsoil 0W20 with the EaO10 filter and change both every 15,000 severe miles, 25,000 normal miles or once a year, whichever occurs first. This will not void you factory warranty (Amsoil has never voided a factory warranty in 35 years with their recommended products). You will also get a free parts and labor warranty should any Amsoil recommended lubricant and filter ever fail before and after your factory warranty runs out. No additives needed or recommended.
Man.... I actually just got back from walmart. I was looking at the different oils and mc blend 5w20 really looks like a good deal. It was like 11 or 12 bucks for I think a 5qt jug. That may be the way I go for now. I was leaning towards castrol gtx but mc looks like a good deal for a good oil.
I would do auto rx maintence doses with any good conventional or synthetic blend and call it a day.
I would run the Motorcraft 5W-20 and forget about the AutoRx.
I'd also stick with genuine Toyota oil filters.
I'd also stick with genuine Toyota oil filters.
Mainly to the amsoil guy... I cannot go to extended drains or an oil that is not approved to stay within warranty parameters. No offense, but there is too many negatives about amsoil. It is not available in retail stores. It doesn't have all the same approvals that other oils have. I cannot justify the cost. I am sure it is a great oil. I have read many good things and hardly no bad about it. I have read many good things about many other oils as well though. Everything I have read it seems any oil and filter will support me well at 5k to 6k intervals. I can safely run 5k without support of uoa. I can change my own oil for anywhere from 11 bucks to 30 bucks if I wanted full synthetic. I enjoy getting under the car once in a while. Extended drains doesn't really do much for me. When the car hits 100k I may switch to synthetic and push oci to 7.5k. That's like 5 years from now at 20k a year which is about what we drive at most.
tsmay,
Amsoil will meet your warranty parameters, even with extended oil changes. Ask Toyota.
Amsoil is available in thousands of retail stores. I sell to over a hundred in the Houston area. Let us know which retail store (having fewer than 12 stores to a chain) and the sponsors can contact them.
Amsoil meets and exceeds all car manufacturer requirements. Which approval are you looking for?
If you prefer short oil changes, Amsoil's XL line may be one to consider. These oils cost as little as $4.10 a quart and warranted for up to 7500 severe miles or 6 months, whichever comes first.
No UOA's required, unless you want to exceed Amsoil's extended oil change intervals.
Most other oils offer a warranty for only up to 4,000 miles/4 months which ever occurs first.
Amsoil will meet your warranty parameters, even with extended oil changes. Ask Toyota.
Amsoil is available in thousands of retail stores. I sell to over a hundred in the Houston area. Let us know which retail store (having fewer than 12 stores to a chain) and the sponsors can contact them.
Amsoil meets and exceeds all car manufacturer requirements. Which approval are you looking for?
If you prefer short oil changes, Amsoil's XL line may be one to consider. These oils cost as little as $4.10 a quart and warranted for up to 7500 severe miles or 6 months, whichever comes first.
No UOA's required, unless you want to exceed Amsoil's extended oil change intervals.
Most other oils offer a warranty for only up to 4,000 miles/4 months which ever occurs first.
tsmay51,
20,000 miles a year is a lot, and I'm willing to bet it's mostly highway, correct? You will be fine doing 5,000 miles on any SM rated oil, and if you want to, add in the Auto-RX. Though I think with constant highway driving you could wait until 40,000-50,000 miles and just do a clean/rinse phase with Auto-RX during your normal OCIs.
As for warranty, you have nothing to fear with the use of Amsoil or extended drains, so don't let that keep you from other options (http://www.amsoil.com/news/2007_may_warranty.pdf, it's a good read, with all biases aside). I would never recommend going into the 15,000-25,000 mile OCIs without a UOA, but 10,000-12,000 miles isn't pushing too much based on what I've seen in mechanically sound engines.
20,000 miles a year is a lot, and I'm willing to bet it's mostly highway, correct? You will be fine doing 5,000 miles on any SM rated oil, and if you want to, add in the Auto-RX. Though I think with constant highway driving you could wait until 40,000-50,000 miles and just do a clean/rinse phase with Auto-RX during your normal OCIs.
As for warranty, you have nothing to fear with the use of Amsoil or extended drains, so don't let that keep you from other options (http://www.amsoil.com/news/2007_may_warranty.pdf, it's a good read, with all biases aside). I would never recommend going into the 15,000-25,000 mile OCIs without a UOA, but 10,000-12,000 miles isn't pushing too much based on what I've seen in mechanically sound engines.
>>>New computer controlled cars produce so little carbon it isn't even an issue.
At AMSOIL U last month, a Lubrizol rep talked about the newly reformulated PI. AMSOIL and Lubrizol worked together in the reformulation. At any rate, 5 or 6 cars were purchased from rental fleets--50-80,000 miles on them.
The engines were torn down, and the carbon deposits measured. Two of the Japanese cars had minimal deposits, in the 3 gram range. After treatment with the new PI, the engines which appeared to be clean (with least carbon buildup) showed the greatest mileage increase. So maybe it is an issue.
At AMSOIL U last month, a Lubrizol rep talked about the newly reformulated PI. AMSOIL and Lubrizol worked together in the reformulation. At any rate, 5 or 6 cars were purchased from rental fleets--50-80,000 miles on them.
The engines were torn down, and the carbon deposits measured. Two of the Japanese cars had minimal deposits, in the 3 gram range. After treatment with the new PI, the engines which appeared to be clean (with least carbon buildup) showed the greatest mileage increase. So maybe it is an issue.
My figure of 20k miles was a bit off. I averaged out the mileage on my wifes old car to how many years she had it. It was about 13k miles a year. That will surely go up some. My truck gets about 18mpg and with the cost of gas we do drive her car more than the truck. I am guessing we probably will put an average of 15k to 17k a year on it. I would say about half highway and half city driving. Almost all trips the car gets to full operating temp.
By the way Confederate, that was a good article on amsoil.
You might want to consider doing what I do in my new Jeep. Drop appropriate weight Pennzoil yellow or other good dino oil into it, with a good filter such as WIX (NOT Fram) and change it every 5k. You could even get an analysis to ease your mind about the OCI.
Amsoil in a Camry?? Expensive overkill perhaps? I read the article but considering the source I would not consider it to be gospel.
Scottydog
Amsoil in a Camry?? Expensive overkill perhaps? I read the article but considering the source I would not consider it to be gospel.
Scottydog
Expensive overkill? Let's look at the numbers.
tsmay51 is considering MC oil at 11 bucks for 5 quarts. Let's say he uses a $5 oil filter. And at 15,000 miles he does 3 oil changes himself. $48 a year.
I'd suggest calling Amsoil and getting a $10 six month Preferred Customer membership. Purchase 5 quarts of 0W20 ASM and an EaO10 oil filter shipped to his house in a few days. $59 including membership. For the $11 difference he doesn't have to drive and put up with Wal-Mart, uses a better oil and filter, and can surely find something better to do for with his time than 2 extra oil changes and return used oil and filters.
Let's say he wants to keep his car for 10 years, 150,000 miles. He could do 30 of the 5,000 mile oil and filter changes at a total cost of $480. Or he could do 10 Amsoil changes by buying 4 cases of Amsoil and 10 Amsoil filters for $424. Now he saves $56. Of course if he paid someone to do his oil changes he would save an additional $200 if he could find someone to do it for $10 a change.
tsmay51 is considering MC oil at 11 bucks for 5 quarts. Let's say he uses a $5 oil filter. And at 15,000 miles he does 3 oil changes himself. $48 a year.
I'd suggest calling Amsoil and getting a $10 six month Preferred Customer membership. Purchase 5 quarts of 0W20 ASM and an EaO10 oil filter shipped to his house in a few days. $59 including membership. For the $11 difference he doesn't have to drive and put up with Wal-Mart, uses a better oil and filter, and can surely find something better to do for with his time than 2 extra oil changes and return used oil and filters.
Let's say he wants to keep his car for 10 years, 150,000 miles. He could do 30 of the 5,000 mile oil and filter changes at a total cost of $480. Or he could do 10 Amsoil changes by buying 4 cases of Amsoil and 10 Amsoil filters for $424. Now he saves $56. Of course if he paid someone to do his oil changes he would save an additional $200 if he could find someone to do it for $10 a change.
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