Walmart oil prices - Ah!

I thought i got a good deal, Walmart has the 20qt boxes of 5w30 and 0w20 for $118. I Got two.
5 gallon boxes of what?

People tend to think selling more product or service is the goal, but that is not correct.
This is very true. I’ve watched my employer sacrifice tens of millions of dollars in revenue over the last few years because the margins weren’t there. They’d rather lease certain parts of the railroad to shortlines than do the work themselves and assume the liability to boot. It’s “cheaper” profit.
 
You have just referenced Economic pricing theory. Prices will tend to rise until demand falls to an unacceptable level.

Not sure I understand your empty shelves question. If I need oil, then I have little choice, in the short term at least. But Econ also teaches us that when prices rise too high consumers will seek out acceptable alternatives.
That's like the dynamic EZ-PASS HOV toll pricing in Virginia by Washington DC. The price goes higher as traffic builds in HOV. They want HOV travelling so you need to pay. My son paid a crazy amount, didn't realize it, followed Waze. He said it did save probably hours based on traffic conditions.
 
Why hype up about these price where I spend hundred on hundred on other thing in life, I can just spend less on that and buy oil when my engine need, no need to storage oils, for what ? to save a few buck ? After thinking about that I felt a lot better and just turn around and go home. I’m back to my old self lol. I come here for fun and learn not for worried about thing I have no control about.
I'd rather buy some oil now for a few future oil changes in a situation like this then be surprised if it gets worse instead of better. The way things are going don't expect it to get better anytime soon.
 
5 gallon boxes of what?


This is very true. I’ve watched my employer sacrifice tens of millions of dollars in revenue over the last few years because the margins weren’t there. They’d rather lease certain parts of the railroad to shortlines than do the work themselves and assume the liability to boot. It’s “cheaper” profit.
Valvoline restore & protect
 
Somewhat relevant for Canadians - Canadian Tire sale price on Edge EP this upcoming week is $69.99 per jug :oops:
That’s not the sale price. That’s its regular price. It’s not on sale this week. No oil is on sale this week (just like the past few weeks)
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That's like the dynamic EZ-PASS HOV toll pricing in Virginia by Washington DC. The price goes higher as traffic builds in HOV. They want HOV travelling so you need to pay. My son paid a crazy amount, didn't realize it, followed Waze. He said it did save probably hours based on traffic conditions.
I think the Susquehanna always looks so beautiful because of what you just left behind.
 
I am currently dailying an every reliable 1999 RX300 415K that I've done all my own repairs and maintenance on for the past 18 years of ownership when my wife drove it. It's still runs perfect however some rust is starting in front of the rear wheel wells so next year I was going to start looking to replace it with a used 2016 - 2020 RX350. The issue I foresee is the typical owner of these cars extending the already long Lexus\Toyota recommended intervals due to rising oil change service costs. Now moving foward I see used vehicles as an even more risker proposition.
 
I ran M1 0W-40 F/S last change with a FRAM XG8A, ran whisper quiet and drained out clean.
Just seems to rev a little more free and equally quiet on it's new fill of M1 5W-30 EP HM and same XG8A.
I know the ESP line is the top tier of M1, just not sure it's chemistry is best utilized in use cases like my 302 (y)
Can you explain what it is about the chemistry that makes it suboptimal?
 
Can you explain what it is about the chemistry that makes it suboptimal?
M1 5W-30 EP HM is simply a better match for the Windsor architecture than ESP. It responds better to higher phosphorus anti-wear, more robust detergency, higher ZDDP, and additive chemistry aimed at older metallurgy and seals. EP HM provides all of that, ESP by design, does not.

ESP is a great oil for the engines it was designed for. ESP's chemistry is optimized for emissions hardware and modern Euro engine design. EP HM's chemistry is optimized for older engines with looser clearances, higher wear demands, and no emissions constraints.

I just think the use case of an old school 5.0L Windsor is better served by an oil more geared to it's requirements rather than approvals for engines that are nothing like it🤷‍♂️
 
M1 5W-30 EP HM is simply a better match for the Windsor architecture than ESP. It responds better to higher phosphorus anti-wear, more robust detergency, higher ZDDP, and additive chemistry aimed at older metallurgy and seals. EP HM provides all of that, ESP by design, does not.

ESP is a great oil for the engines it was designed for. ESP's chemistry is optimized for emissions hardware and modern Euro engine design. EP HM's chemistry is optimized for older engines with looser clearances, higher wear demands, and no emissions constraints.

I just think the use case of an old school 5.0L Windsor is better served by an oil more geared to it's requirements rather than approvals for engines that are nothing like it🤷‍♂️
Gah, my ole Mark V’s 351 Windsor loved certain oils and hated others. Wear analysis actually showed better protection from fossil oil back in the day versus the early synthetics.
 
I ran M1 0W-40 F/S last change with a FRAM XG8A, ran whisper quiet and drained out clean.
Just seems to rev a little more free and equally quiet on it's new fill of M1 5W-30 EP HM and same XG8A.
I know the ESP line is the top tier of M1, just not sure it's chemistry is best utilized in use cases like my 302 (y)
ESP 0W-30 is much closer in chemistry to FS 0W-40 (both are Euro oils GTL/PAO/ester) than 5W-30 EP HM. The main difference is that ESP 0W-30 has less ash than FS 0W-40 because the first one is mid-SAPS and the second is full-SAPS (FS). The emission protection is mostly because of the less ash, not necessarily less ZDDP.

Both Euro oils are design for turbo engines, for both gasoline and diesel. They have much higher viscosity at 100°C and their HTHS viscosity (150°C) is >3.5 cP which is higher than the EP HM as well. Also, they'll clean much better than the EP HM. So, for hot running old engines the thicker oils will provide better protection.

The EP HM oil covers API SP / ILSAC GF-7, so I doubt that will have more ZDDP than the Euro oils, especially more than FS 0W-40.
 
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