VW diesel BuyBack announced

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Originally Posted By: zach1900
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true but they don't pollute anymore than any random Toyota Honda. [/quote]

Proven false. Get over it, the cars are worthless for resale (perhaps not even legal for re-sale) unless they go through a repair program to bring them into compliance. VW owes them either a recall program (though they'll likely either lose performance, or have to add DEF) or else a buy-back.

You can argue whether EPA laws are overly aggressive and that's fine... but what's patently wrong is cheating the rules and screwing consumers. BMW didn't do that, Benz didn't, Ram/Cummins, Ford, and GM/Duramax didn't and they were all still able to sell vehicles that their owners like. VW just screwed up. Royally.
 
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: Jimzz
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus

They should give the owner's some direct dough at least.


How, exactly, is the consumer out anything? Why does VW owe anything to car owners for emissions?

Be mad at the EPA for having unobtainable expensive high standards that would leave you with a low power sucky car.


Seems most other diesels meet them just fine. So how are they "unobtainable expensive high standards " again?


Name the other diesel passenger cars that are sold in the US. There aren't very many.


BMW 3, 5, and 7 series all have diesels. That and some SUVs as well.

Chevy Cruise and small truck Colorado(GMC as well for their Canyon).

Mercedes-Benz has four diesel models

Porsche Cayenne

Jeep Grand Cherokee

Dodge, and soon Nissan, will have a light truck with diesel.

So seems many can meet the "unobtainable expensive high standards" VW/Audi is having issues with. Even VW/Audi can meet them, they just have to not cheat to make it cheaper.
 
first spy-pics of the VW fix...

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Too bad VW is only buying them back from the dealers and not the owners. My aunt would love to get rid of her 2013 Beetle TDI. It has 35k miles and needs to go back into the dealer again with another laundry list of warranty repairs needed.
 
I think people should be mad at VW
A cheat is a cheat and what makes you think their cheating ended there?
I don't trust them or the EPA


Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
Originally Posted By: zach1900
Out of luck? these are great cars regardless of the EPA's war on pretty much everything.

They should give the owner's some direct dough at least.


How, exactly, is the consumer out anything? Why does VW owe anything to car owners for emissions?

Be mad at the EPA for having unobtainable expensive high standards that would leave you with a low power sucky car.
 
As a non-VW owner, I have no horse in this race, but I will say that all of the VW TDI owners PAID for a car that was supposed to meet the emissions standards (whatever they were at the time) and since it appears the vehicles do not--the owners should be entitled to some sort of relief. What that may be I shall not venture to guess, but it should be something because it certainly seems the value of the vehicles either will or have taken a hit.
 
Originally Posted By: AdmdeVilleneuve
Dr. Steve Milloy is a physician with an interesting take on this.
www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/28/zero-deaths-from-vw-diesel-scandal/


I've posted something similar about the EPA and their testing practices on humans (both adult and children) without a full disclosure in another thread and how their "studies" were simply fraudulent.
Of course, most sheeple simply cannot digest this information. It's much easier to be mad at the boogeyman that is conveniently provided to them. No thinking required here, just take out the pitch forks...
 
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
The dealerships are getting diesels off their lots, being bought back by VW.
Owners? Out of luck.



Jumping to conclusions. Because they announced a plan only for Dealers, means they've forgotten about the owners and owner's get nothing.

Other articles indicate it's widely expected they're going to do something for the owners later and soon. So just because they haven't announced doesn't mean that it's not coming. Latest rumor is one of the option big tradein value/deep discount for a "legal vw".

Also, when that shoe finally drops, also don't assume that's that's the only option until VW says that's it, they are done. That might just be the first of several remediation options.

Possibly because people like to jump to conclusions, they need the extra time to get all the options available first before announcing.
 
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Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
As a non-VW owner, I have no horse in this race, but I will say that all of the VW TDI owners PAID for a car that was supposed to meet the emissions standards (whatever they were at the time) and since it appears the vehicles do not--the owners should be entitled to some sort of relief. What that may be I shall not venture to guess, but it should be something because it certainly seems the value of the vehicles either will or have taken a hit.


but they enjoyed better MPG all this time... should the savings from that be deducted from the relief? early buyers might end up paying an excess...
 
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Originally Posted By: AdmdeVilleneuve
Dr. Steve Milloy is a physician with an interesting take on this.
www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/28/zero-deaths-from-vw-diesel-scandal/


I've posted something similar about the EPA and their testing practices on humans (both adult and children) without a full disclosure in another thread and how their "studies" were simply fraudulent.
Of course, most sheeple simply cannot digest this information. It's much easier to be mad at the boogeyman that is conveniently provided to them. No thinking required here, just take out the pitch forks...

I had no idea there are so many faux science websites out there... And a Doctor writing such a obviously misleading article that some one in Med school would get a failing grade for.
Anyways, the article has no references for its claims, and the claims don't even make sense. Smokers living as long as non-smokers... Miners exposed to 1000's of times more air pollution living longer than average? Heck we should all just run a hose from our exhaust into our cars for better health! Does anyone believe the supposed longer life expectancy in Beijing vs. D.C. have a causal relationship with the increased air pollution?
I would believe though that the increased emissions from the VW tdi's doesn't have a statistically significant impact on the health of people near most roads since the vehicle isn't common, but if it was popular, then sure, the extra pollution would eventually make more people sick and kill some sooner. You could make the same argument about any unpopular gas car too, as it wouldn't matter much if it didn't meet the emissions standards, but the standard has to be there to ensure a reasonable level of air quality in a lot of cities.
 
Originally Posted By: zach1900
true but they don't pollute anymore than any random Toyota Honda.


Source? Random Toyotas and Hondas aren't cheating on emissions testing.
 
Originally Posted By: Jetronic
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
As a non-VW owner, I have no horse in this race, but I will say that all of the VW TDI owners PAID for a car that was supposed to meet the emissions standards (whatever they were at the time) and since it appears the vehicles do not--the owners should be entitled to some sort of relief. What that may be I shall not venture to guess, but it should be something because it certainly seems the value of the vehicles either will or have taken a hit.


but they enjoyed better MPG all this time... should the savings from that be deducted from the relief? early buyers might end up paying an excess...



Which equates to what????

Ta-da!! Less total tons of emissions!!!
 
Originally Posted By: zach1900
Imagine if private citizens were as furious with the federal government as they are with VW.
They are now called the stupid voters by the politicians.
 
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: zach1900
Imagine if private citizens were as furious with the federal government as they are with VW.
They are now called the stupid voters by the politicians.


Some of us are. But we car called extremists or bitter clingers, or angry white men, or whatever some would label those not happy with the direction in DC
 
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
According to the reports these diesels were polluting 40x times the limits. This is significantly higher.



And? Without context the number is sensationalism and worthless.

0.1 ppm vs 4 ppm?
1 vs 40ppm?
100 vs 400 ppm?


Keep in mind that the CO2 is like 135000 PPM and CO is like 14000 ppm in a working engine.

Actually, I found the calculation:

NOx (g/kWh)=0.006636 x NOx ppm. (http://aaqr.org/vol12_no5_october2012/27_aaqr-12-04-oa-0100_994-1006.pdf)

A Euro V diesel is rated at 2g/kWh, which means it "spews" 300ppm.

While the CO2 content is like 135000ppm.

BOTH will increase as the MPGs are dropped and total tonnage is increased due to higher fuel use.
 
Blame the EPA while while VW charged a premium for a self coined and advertised "Clean Diesel" and overcharged the customers for tech that was literally smoke and mirrors.

Did they really have to advertise "Clean Diesel" to sell it?
 
If VW is buying affected cars back from the dealers, it means they have no idea how to make them legal in a timely manner, to be sold to the public.
 
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