VW diesel BuyBack announced

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Out of luck? these are great cars regardless of the EPA's war on pretty much everything.
 
Originally Posted By: zach1900
Out of luck? these are great cars regardless of the EPA's war on pretty much everything.

They should give the owner's some direct dough at least.
Anyway, I agree with you. I was actually thinking about checking the VW-Audi diesel used car market for bargains, taking a small hit on performance/economy later when the fixes are in. I just bought a Cmax hybrid though so might wait.
 
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
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Owners? Out of luck.

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What makes you think that anything other than a minuscule minority of TDI owners want the cars bought back?
 
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
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Owners? Out of luck.

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What makes you think that anything other than a minuscule minority of TDI owners want the cars bought back?


Let's get real for just a second. The cars are okay, but they are spewing pollution and any fix is going have either the consumer or the environment asssuming the position. Either way, resale value is gone. If you disagree, enjoy your life in Fantasyland. BTW, I have two good friends, both with 2013 models, and they are both furious with VW. They live in Realityville.
 
Originally Posted By: TomYoung
Let's get real for just a second. The cars are okay, but they are spewing pollution and any fix is going have either the consumer or the environment asssuming the position. Either way, resale value is gone. If you disagree, enjoy your life in Fantasyland. BTW, I have two good friends, both with 2013 models, and they are both furious with VW. They live in Realityville.


Performance (power and MPG) will take a hit, certainly increased AdBlue urea maintenance hassle will happen to some extent, possibly not much of a problem when its all over with.
Re-sale value should upset current owners though. Some were thinking of getting something new soon!
 
Originally Posted By: TomYoung
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
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Owners? Out of luck.

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What makes you think that anything other than a minuscule minority of TDI owners want the cars bought back?


Let's get real for just a second. The cars are okay, but they are spewing pollution and any fix is going have either the consumer or the environment asssuming the position. Either way, resale value is gone. If you disagree, enjoy your life in Fantasyland. BTW, I have two good friends, both with 2013 models, and they are both furious with VW. They live in Realityville.
true but they don't pollute anymore than any random Toyota Honda.
 
Imagine if private citizens were as furious with the federal government as they are with VW.
 
Originally Posted By: TomYoung
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
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Owners? Out of luck.

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What makes you think that anything other than a minuscule minority of TDI owners want the cars bought back?


Let's get real for just a second. The cars are okay, but they are spewing pollution and any fix is going have either the consumer or the environment asssuming the position. Either way, resale value is gone. If you disagree, enjoy your life in Fantasyland. BTW, I have two good friends, both with 2013 models, and they are both furious with VW. They live in Realityville.


Look Richard

Furious with VW and wanting them bought back are two different things and "Spewing pollution" is fantasyland hogwash. You must work at EPA.
 
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
Originally Posted By: zach1900
Out of luck? these are great cars regardless of the EPA's war on pretty much everything.

They should give the owner's some direct dough at least.


How, exactly, is the consumer out anything? Why does VW owe anything to car owners for emissions?

Be mad at the EPA for having unobtainable expensive high standards that would leave you with a low power sucky car.
 
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
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Owners? Out of luck.

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What makes you think that anything other than a minuscule minority of TDI owners want the cars bought back?


+1. The two who I am very close with would never consider it.
 
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
Originally Posted By: zach1900
Out of luck? these are great cars regardless of the EPA's war on pretty much everything.

They should give the owner's some direct dough at least.


How, exactly, is the consumer out anything? Why does VW owe anything to car owners for emissions?

Be mad at the EPA for having unobtainable expensive high standards that would leave you with a low power sucky car.


Seems most other diesels meet them just fine. So how are they "unobtainable expensive high standards " again?
 
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
Originally Posted By: TomYoung
Let's get real for just a second. The cars are okay, but they are spewing pollution and any fix is going have either the consumer or the environment asssuming the position. Either way, resale value is gone. If you disagree, enjoy your life in Fantasyland. BTW, I have two good friends, both with 2013 models, and they are both furious with VW. They live in Realityville.


Performance (power and MPG) will take a hit, certainly increased AdBlue urea maintenance hassle will happen to some extent, possibly not much of a problem when its all over with.
Re-sale value should upset current owners though. Some were thinking of getting something new soon!


AdBlue is how it should have been set up to begin with. Unfortunately I guess VW figured that most of their owners are enough of knuckle draggers that they'd get stranded for not filling their AdBlue.
 
Originally Posted By: TomYoung

Let's get real for just a second. The cars are okay, but they are spewing pollution and any fix is going have either the consumer or the environment asssuming the position. Either way, resale value is gone. If you disagree, enjoy your life in Fantasyland. BTW, I have two good friends, both with 2013 models, and they are both furious with VW. They live in Realityville.


please provide in real terms how a few ppm of NOx is spewing pollution when the EPA allows for TONS of CO2 to be emitted in the chase of removing that NOx?

How much extra crude is removed from the earth? Processed? How much other emissions are created in doing that?

Yup, well spew 0.7ppm instead of 1.4 ppm (made up numbers) and claim overwhelming success at reducing NOx by 50%, meanwhile the owners will go from 50 to 40 MPG and spew TONS more CO2.

I have friends with a 2011 and 2013 VW TDI, and theyre both furious with the EPA for creating such obnoxious requirements and causing hassle to the population by causing all this. They live in the real world. Realityville sounds like a made up TV show, which sounds about right for the population at large with their butt in the couch and their brain effectively non-existant, handed over to the money changers and advertisers to believe what they're told.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
please provide in real terms how a few ppm of NOx is spewing pollution when the EPA allows for TONS of CO2 to be emitted in the chase of removing that NOx?

How much extra crude is removed from the earth? Processed? How much other emissions are created in doing that?

Yup, well spew 0.7ppm instead of 1.4 ppm (made up numbers) and claim overwhelming success at reducing NOx by 50%, meanwhile the owners will go from 50 to 40 MPG and spew TONS more CO2.

I have friends with a 2011 and 2013 VW TDI, and theyre both furious with the EPA for creating such obnoxious requirements and causing hassle to the population by causing all this. They live in the real world. Realityville sounds like a made up TV show, which sounds about right for the population at large with their butt in the couch and their brain effectively non-existant, handed over to the money changers and advertisers to believe what they're told.


Agreed. The 2 people I know with "affected" TDIs (2010 Jetta wagon and 2013 Golf) are both very happy with the cars.
 
Recalls are becoming a standard accessory for many new cars, today.

GM is now recalling 1.4M vehicles that are at risk of catching fire. GM says don't park them in a garage or next to another vehicle or near anything that is not completely fire proof because even unattended and parked with everything off they're still catching on fire. The first recall for this problem failed to fix anything so this is round two. GM is now proud to announce that unlike the ignition key problem that kills people this one only catches the car on fire and people have had time to escape with only minor injuries even if they happen to be driving down the road.

At least VW is only slowly poisoning the atmosphere. They have not killed anyone, yet. The difference here is that VW did this on purpose thinking that everyone else is stupid and GM is just a bumbling corporation overrun by idiots that succeed at politics instead of being qualified to do their jobs, just like our government and with similar results.

Worry not. Everything has been made okay because VW apologized and fired a few people. It works every time for government politics. It should work here, too. If you are an owner you'll be notified by those very same people that did this to you, and told what they determine is okay for you and your VW.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
AdBlue is how it should have been set up to begin with. Unfortunately I guess VW figured that most of their owners are enough of knuckle draggers that they'd get stranded for not filling their AdBlue.


Exactly. Remember when the 2009 TDI's came out and some engineers were wondering how they could do without urea? The EPA should have figured something was wrong, raising yellow alerts to investigate possible shenanigans. Lack of brainpower and/or will to take action at the EPA much earlier so instead they wait 6 years and find out by accident.
 
Originally Posted By: Jimzz
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
Originally Posted By: zach1900
Out of luck? these are great cars regardless of the EPA's war on pretty much everything.

They should give the owner's some direct dough at least.


How, exactly, is the consumer out anything? Why does VW owe anything to car owners for emissions?

Be mad at the EPA for having unobtainable expensive high standards that would leave you with a low power sucky car.


Seems most other diesels meet them just fine. So how are they "unobtainable expensive high standards " again?


Name the other diesel passenger cars that are sold in the US. There aren't very many.
 
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