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[SC Maintenance]

Jesus. Give it a rest. It's already braking before you can hit the pedal. It sucks to you because you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what is actually happening. It's braking before you can even touch the pedal hovering over the brake. I think we should actually have someone test out the stopping distance between this.

I'd love to know what you're doing approaching intersections that you need to emergency brake when approaching a stop. Do you have a tailgating problem? If someone pulls out in front of you are you already off the throttle when it happens? Describe the situation when you're covering the brake and coasting that is the difference between the accident and not that you are picturing in your head.

If it's a situation that you have the cruise set, then hovering over the brake is no different in an EV or ICE.

Now now, language.

The issue as I see it with Tesla is not the regenerative - its that in traffic it appears the driver is riding the brake. I suppose maybe they are each time they lift. Perhaps there is a work around they are unaware of, but I refuse to follow a Tesla in bumper to bumper because I never know if there just coasting because its getting tight or there slamming on the brakes. The whole line of traffic then ends up riding there brakes so its unproductive.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Yes and the regen is already retarding forward motion while you get to the physical brakes which was my point. It does buy that bit of time.

Please stop. It doesn’t work that way. By the time your foot is off the accelerator, you could already be braking if you had covered the brake pedal. One pedal driving is not as safe.

 

[Vercingetorix]

At 40 mph the travel distance is 29 feet every second, every second counts.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Tesla vehicles are equipped with emergency braking systems.
Automatic Emergency Braking: This feature activates when a potential collision is detected, applying the brakes to prevent or mitigate an accident.

Functionality:

• Unlike traditional mechanical handbrakes, Tesla's emergency braking relies on advanced software and sensors to monitor road conditions and respond accordingly.
• The system can also engage after an initial collision to help prevent further impacts

I think most modern cars have some level of automatic emergency braking.
The high percentage of accidents are due to human error, so there's that.

 

[alarmguy]

It’s got nothing to do with that. What do you do at an uncontrolled intersection? You cover your brake pedal, in case you need to stop in a hurry. Same with stale green light. Same with innumerable other occasions. You always cover your brake pedal when unsure. Can’t do that in a Tesla without slowing down. Having your foot over the brake pedal reduces reaction time.
https://www.cars.com/articles/what-does-covering-the-brake-mean-430721/

We don’t agree on much, if anything, but we do agree on this. Something I never thought of however it would not stop me from buying an electric vehicle.
You do have a valid point, I do it all the time.
Pretty much fast moving roads you’re coming to an intersection at 55 miles an hour and I do cover my brake pedal in case some idiot makes a right on red or blows the light while I’m doing 55 miles an hour or even on a slower moving road of 35 to 45 miles an hour.

I never thought about that coming up to an intersection. If I take my foot off an electric vehicle pedal, the car is going to drastically start slowing down when I kinda just wanna glide through the light at the mentioned speed of 55 miles an hour I could do that, taking my foot off the gasoline pedal and having it ready at the brake pedal.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Tesla vehicles are equipped with emergency braking systems.
Automatic Emergency Braking: This feature activates when a potential collision is detected, applying the brakes to prevent or mitigate an accident.

Functionality:

• Unlike traditional mechanical handbrakes, Tesla's emergency braking relies on advanced software and sensors to monitor road conditions and respond accordingly.
• The system can also engage after an initial collision to help prevent further impacts

I think most modern cars have some level of automatic emergency braking.
The high percentage of accidents are due to human error, so there's that.

Is this a joke? Tesla’s hit things all the time. Do not pull the human error thing. Most humans don’t cover their brake pedals as this forum has proven. A driver who gives 10% about driving is better than than the 90% who get into wrecks. I guarantee my my driving record per mile is 10x what the average Tesla is. I pay attention.

 

[SC Maintenance]

All of you "cover the brake" drivers must have never driven a one pedal EV if you think your hover over the brake method is faster than the car already braking while you get to the pedal.

Tesla regenerative "braking" isn't really braking. Its only about 0.2g. Its not wildly better than engine braking honestly. So by your definition when I lift on any car I am already braking?

The auto braking is obviously faster than a human, but the sensors aren't perfect. Neither are drivers. All cars have auto active braking systems now. Still camera's aren't perfect either. I would rather give myself maximum opportunity. The cars are not autonomous yet.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Just did a quick google and Tesla deaths are twice per mile what other cars are. Suck it Tesla.

 

[shortyb]

What happened to the VW Buzz thread? Haven't seen it mentioned over the last 3 pages .

 

[Leo99]

We don’t agree on much, if anything, but we do agree on this. Something I never thought of however it would not stop me from buying an electric vehicle.
You do have a valid point, I do it all the time.
Pretty much fast moving roads you’re coming to an intersection at 55 miles an hour and I do cover my brake pedal in case some idiot makes a right on red or blows the light while I’m doing 55 miles an hour or even on a slower moving road of 35 to 45 miles an hour.

I never thought about that coming up to an intersection. If I take my foot off an electric vehicle pedal, the car is going to drastically start slowing down when I kinda just wanna glide through the light at the mentioned speed of 55 miles an hour I could do that, taking my foot off the gasoline pedal and having it ready at the brake pedal.

My understanding as I don't have an EV is that you can adjust the regeneration braking when off the acceleration pedal from a lot for one pedal driving to a little or none for traditional two pedal driving. One of the EV SMEs can confirm.

 

[Leo99]

What happened to the VW Buzz thread? Haven't seen it mentioned over the last 3 pages .

You thought thick vs thin got heated. Now it's one pedal vs two.

 

[SC Maintenance]

What happened to the VW Buzz thread? Haven't seen it mentioned over the last 3 pages .

I see them around here on occasion. I still like them. They were too rich for what they were I think.

I wonder if they will drop in price like a normal EV, or become like the original vanagons and become gold plated treasures.

 

[shortyb]

I see them around here on occasion. I still like them. They were too rich for what they were I think.

I wonder if they will drop in price like a normal EV, or become like the original vanagons and become gold plated treasures.

Drop in the hybrid drivetrain, or better yet an ICE of a 2.0 variant, and you'll see them everywhere like the originals were.

 

[Trav]

Maybe you took the wrong schools? Covering your brake pedal is well known whether you know it or not. Left foot braking doesn’t work with a clutch pedal. Unless you are Walter.

You must mean Walter Rorhl. Mad skills behind the wheel of a killer B.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Drop in the hybrid drivetrain, or better yet an ICE of a 2.0 variant, and you'll see them everywhere like the originals were.

If the starting price is still $65K then its probably still a non starter.

$40K and they will sell like hot cakes likely.

 

[fsdork]

Thoughts for the one-pedal absolutists:

You're driving toward a controlled intersection. Your direction is currently green, but cues/instinct tell you it's stale and could flip yellow at any moment. There's a car in front of you, and you're following at a distance which neither too much nor too little. You don't know whether the driver in front of you might: A) Stomp on the brakes as soon as the light twitches toward yellow, or B) Take full advantage of the yellow/pink light to make it through. You don't want to stop at the light if you don't have to.

With one-pedal braking, how does one achieve both of the following objectives:
1) Don't rear-end the car in front of you, remembering their behavior will be unpredictable.
2) Avoid premature deceleration/stopping for a non-existent red light, lest you waste your own time and risk setting off the short fuse of a driver behind you in the process.

With one-pedal, the only real controllable variable in this case is following distance, so you either open up the gap to allow time to perceive and react to the hard-braking car in front of you, plus get off the accelerator and on to the brake pedal - or maintain the same following distance and hope that luck and AEB are on your side. In contrast, in the absence of one-pedal and instead using brake shadowing, you carry speed into the go/no go zone, with the exception of whatever coasting drag your vehicle experiences.

Another example might be if you're established in the "right of way" direction, approaching an intersection where the perpendicular/intersecting road(s) are governed by stop signs. One of the vehicles approaching the stop sign looks a bit fast, or maybe a previously stopped vehicle is showing signs of indecision as to whether they can make it before you get there. What's the solution? Hammer down and hope for the best? Slow down significantly? I'll go with shadowing the brake pedal, thanks.

One pedal sounds like it would have some valid applications, such as in lurching city traffic or transitioning from a highway to an off-ramp.

 

[Torrid]

Is this a joke? Tesla’s hit things all the time. Do not pull the human error thing. Most humans don’t cover their brake pedals as this forum has proven. A driver who gives 10% about driving is better than than the 90% who get into wrecks. I guarantee my my driving record per mile is 10x what the average Tesla is. I pay attention.

I did cover the brake before having an EV, but as I said the approach is completely different since there is braking effect coming off the accelerator. EVs don't slow at all without some form of regen. Nothing holds them back otherwise. They're too free rolling without some form of regen.

Sure I could put it in some form of reduced regen, but there's literally no point in doing that unless I just want to waste the braking effort instead of saving power in the process. Most of the time I'm in FSD so I can still cover the brake if I want since I don't have to touch anything at all if I don't want to.

 

[Torrid]

Thoughts for the one-pedal absolutists:

You're driving toward a controlled intersection. Your direction is currently green, but cues/instinct tell you it's stale and could flip yellow at any moment. There's a car in front of you, and you're following at a distance which neither too much nor too little. You don't know whether the driver in front of you might: A) Stomp on the brakes as soon as the light twitches toward yellow, or B) Take full advantage of the yellow/pink light to make it through. You don't want to stop at the light if you don't have to.

With one-pedal braking, how does one achieve both of the following objectives:
1) Don't rear-end the car in front of you, remembering their behavior will be unpredictable.
2) Avoid premature deceleration/stopping for a non-existent red light, lest you waste your own time and risk setting off the short fuse of a driver behind you in the process.

With one-pedal, the only real controllable variable in this case is following distance, so you either open up the gap to allow time to perceive and react to the hard-braking car in front of you, plus get off the accelerator and on to the brake pedal - or maintain the same following distance and hope that luck and AEB are on your side. In contrast, in the absence of one-pedal and instead using brake shadowing, you carry speed into the go/no go zone, with the exception of whatever coasting drag your vehicle experiences.

Another example might be if you're established in the "right of way" direction, approaching an intersection where the perpendicular/intersecting road(s) are governed by stop signs. One of the vehicles approaching the stop sign looks a bit fast, or maybe a previously stopped vehicle is showing signs of indecision as to whether they can make it before you get there. What's the solution? Hammer down and hope for the best? Slow down significantly? I'll go with shadowing the brake pedal, thanks.

One pedal sounds like it would have some valid applications, such as in lurching city traffic or transitioning from a highway to an off-ramp.

If the car stomping the brakes in front of you puts you into panic stop mode you are in fact following too closely. Also if the light is flipping and the car in front of you is running the light at that point, you are in fact running the light being behind it. I can't see a scenario where you don't run the red if you're not following too closely. Either I'm missing your point or I'm fully in the right to question your judgment.

Some of you have put on full display that you don't know how to drive or are unsafe drivers. I think you are all not realizing how aggressive full regen braking is. It is quite significant and if you're not tailgating the car in front of you, regen brings you down to a full stop pretty quickly off of the pedal completely. I suggest test driving a Tesla, trying it out, and then coming back to comment your findings after doing so.

 

[CleanSump]

And when you're electronic gizmo's don't do what they are supposed to do, where's your backup? Bang!
Yeah, and I'm the Avionics guy. No electronic and or processor controlled system is 100% reliable.

 

[jghall00]

And when you're electronic gizmo's don't do what they are supposed to do, where's your backup? Bang!
Yeah, and I'm the Avionics guy. No electronic and or processor controlled system is 100% reliable.

You do realize many modern vehicles are brake by wire?