He was asking about emissions system protection and low-SAPS oils, not valvetrain deposits.
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Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
It's no secret that higher saps generally has higher carbon deposits. I'm not going to say you're going to have issues in 30k, but it's pretty much assured you will have more carbon buildup, soot on the exhaust, etc.
My evidence is anecdotal but I drove two cars that used 502 oils for combined eleven years. They always had soot on the exhaust tips, and the second car I kept long enough to have to pull the intake once and do a carbon cleaning. I now have had a car that uses 504 oil for two years, the exhaust tips are far cleaner. At this point with low sulfur fuel pretty much everywhere other than saving a few bucks every OCI, there is just about no reason to use 502 oil.
Thanks Jim. Please scream this from the rooftops to kschahn!!! The 2018 had different clearances and slightly different emissions. 502.00 is not recommended for the 2019s at all! I read they even changed the emissions systems for ‘19/‘20s. As for me, I rather not have to clean/remove carbon from my engine so I'm going to stay with the 0w-30 504.00. And what your saying is not anedotal, my oils is still golden brown after 7.5k on 87pump.
I don't have a local VW dealership, I live in the sticks, but I called the closest one to me today. I spoke to the service manager who said they would fill my 19' Atlas with 5W-30, I then spoke to the parts guy, who I gave my VIN # to and he said that they would only fill it with Castrol Edge 0W-30. No where under my hood or in my book which is a 19' does it say to use VW 504. The dealership told me to use VW 502. Where did you get the information that 19's shouldn't use 502?
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
It's no secret that higher saps generally has higher carbon deposits. I'm not going to say you're going to have issues in 30k, but it's pretty much assured you will have more carbon buildup, soot on the exhaust, etc.
My evidence is anecdotal but I drove two cars that used 502 oils for combined eleven years. They always had soot on the exhaust tips, and the second car I kept long enough to have to pull the intake once and do a carbon cleaning. I now have had a car that uses 504 oil for two years, the exhaust tips are far cleaner. At this point with low sulfur fuel pretty much everywhere other than saving a few bucks every OCI, there is just about no reason to use 502 oil.
Thanks Jim. Please scream this from the rooftops to kschahn!!! The 2018 had different clearances and slightly different emissions. 502.00 is not recommended for the 2019s at all! I read they even changed the emissions systems for ‘19/‘20s. As for me, I rather not have to clean/remove carbon from my engine so I'm going to stay with the 0w-30 504.00. And what your saying is not anedotal, my oils is still golden brown after 7.5k on 87pump.
I don't have a local VW dealership, I live in the sticks, but I called the closest one to me today. I spoke to the service manager who said they would fill my 19' Atlas with 5W-30, I then spoke to the parts guy, who I gave my VIN # to and he said that they would only fill it with Castrol Edge 0W-30. No where under my hood or in my book which is a 19' does it say to use VW 504. The dealership told me to use VW 502. Where did you get the information that 19's shouldn't use 502?
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
I swear there is something about the way you comprehend. Look back at my post. I said many VW delearships do not carry the correct grade AND use NON-VW certified oil in their service fills or even in their parts department. So that statement alludes to not having the correct approval or certification. What is so hard about that?
Buddy, you don't own a VW Branded vehicle...why are you making general comments about going to another VW dealerships? If your going to Aurgue, at least be educated. You don't understand the issue. I live in the Atl. Arguably the 4 largest US Metro area. There are 5 metro VW delearships. As of February, NON of them have the 504/507/508 VW approved oils. So there is no going to another dealership.
Nationwide, VW is transitioning away from Castrol and restocking with VW labeled (Mobil ESP) oil at VW and Audi delearships once bulk fill is exhausted and Mobil ESP Labeled at Porsche dealerships (0w-20, 5w-30, 0W-40). Thus has made it hard for VW Group owners. That's why I chimed because I too had the issue of getting the right oil for my VW. They wanted to put 0W-20 Non approved Pennzoil in my VR6 Atlas!! I went online to Advanced Auto Parts and the Audi/Porsche dealership to fine the correct spec.
Do you swear a lot? And I'm not your "buddy", such anger and snarky responses. I wasn't the only one who pointed that out, make sure you post a similar angry response to them.
That's too bad the dealers around you are incompetent. I wasn't "arguing" about anything, I only noted that grade is irrelevant since you brought it up in your post. Nothing hard about that at all.
Actually, you called the original poster a troll. Partly why you got that response from me. When people post a question, offer answers they bring value. Even someone posting a question has something to offer to the conversation even if it causes others to research a topic to answer a question. Grade is actually not irrelevant. Dependent on which year you have, the clearances were adjusted.
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
I swear there is something about the way you comprehend. Look back at my post. I said many VW delearships do not carry the correct grade AND use NON-VW certified oil in their service fills or even in their parts department. So that statement alludes to not having the correct approval or certification. What is so hard about that?
Buddy, you don't own a VW Branded vehicle...why are you making general comments about going to another VW dealerships? If your going to Aurgue, at least be educated. You don't understand the issue. I live in the Atl. Arguably the 4 largest US Metro area. There are 5 metro VW delearships. As of February, NON of them have the 504/507/508 VW approved oils. So there is no going to another dealership.
Nationwide, VW is transitioning away from Castrol and restocking with VW labeled (Mobil ESP) oil at VW and Audi delearships once bulk fill is exhausted and Mobil ESP Labeled at Porsche dealerships (0w-20, 5w-30, 0W-40). Thus has made it hard for VW Group owners. That's why I chimed because I too had the issue of getting the right oil for my VW. They wanted to put 0W-20 Non approved Pennzoil in my VR6 Atlas!! I went online to Advanced Auto Parts and the Audi/Porsche dealership to fine the correct spec.
Do you swear a lot? And I'm not your "buddy", such anger and snarky responses. I wasn't the only one who pointed that out, make sure you post a similar angry response to them.
That's too bad the dealers around you are incompetent. I wasn't "arguing" about anything, I only noted that grade is irrelevant since you brought it up in your post. Nothing hard about that at all.
Actually, you called the original poster a troll. Partly why you got that response from me. When people post a question, offer answers they bring value. Even someone posting a question has something to offer to the conversation even if it causes others to research a topic to answer a question. Grade is actually not irrelevant. Dependent on which year you have, the clearances were adjusted.
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Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Actually, you called the original poster a troll. Partly why you got that response from me. When people post a question, offer answers they bring value. Even someone posting a question has something to offer to the conversation even if it causes others to research a topic to answer a question. Grade is actually not irrelevant. Dependent on which year you have, the clearances were adjusted.
All right I apologize for that to the OP. It was unwarranted.
So the HTHS requirement of the VW approval is secondary to the grade designation? How does VW control that given the range within a grade? For example, VW 502 00 lists 0W-30, 0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40,10W-30, and 10W-40 as acceptable grades but gives a minimum HTHS of 3.5.
Also if the clearances were adjusted how were they adjusted? Tighter? Wouldn't that make it less necessary for the oil to be of a certain grade and/or HTHS? Or are you saying the oil would be too thick to fit in the bearing clearances?
Actually, you called the original poster a troll. Partly why you got that response from me. When people post a question, offer answers they bring value. Even someone posting a question has something to offer to the conversation even if it causes others to research a topic to answer a question. Grade is actually not irrelevant. Dependent on which year you have, the clearances were adjusted.
All right I apologize for that to the OP. It was unwarranted.
So the HTHS requirement of the VW approval is secondary to the grade designation? How does VW control that given the range within a grade? For example, VW 502 00 lists 0W-30, 0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40,10W-30, and 10W-40 as acceptable grades but gives a minimum HTHS of 3.5.
Also if the clearances were adjusted how were they adjusted? Tighter? Wouldn't that make it less necessary for the oil to be of a certain grade and/or HTHS? Or are you saying the oil would be too thick to fit in the bearing clearances?
Originally Posted by jfrankh
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
It's no secret that higher saps generally has higher carbon deposits. I'm not going to say you're going to have issues in 30k, but it's pretty much assured you will have more carbon buildup, soot on the exhaust, etc.
My evidence is anecdotal but I drove two cars that used 502 oils for combined eleven years. They always had soot on the exhaust tips, and the second car I kept long enough to have to pull the intake once and do a carbon cleaning. I now have had a car that uses 504 oil for two years, the exhaust tips are far cleaner. At this point with low sulfur fuel pretty much everywhere other than saving a few bucks every OCI, there is just about no reason to use 502 oil.
Thanks Jim. Please scream this from the rooftops to kschahn!!! The 2018 had different clearances and slightly different emissions. 502.00 is not recommended for the 2019s at all! I read they even changed the emissions systems for ‘19/‘20s. As for me, I rather not have to clean/remove carbon from my engine so I'm going to stay with the 0w-30 504.00. And what your saying is not anedotal, my oils is still golden brown after 7.5k on 87pump.
I don't have a local VW dealership, I live in the sticks, but I called the closest one to me today. I spoke to the service manager who said they would fill my 19' Atlas with 5W-30, I then spoke to the parts guy, who I gave my VIN # to and he said that they would only fill it with Castrol Edge 0W-30. No where under my hood or in my book which is a 19' does it say to use VW 504. The dealership told me to use VW 502. Where did you get the information that 19's shouldn't use 502?
Understandable. There's so much confusion on this b/c VW hasn't sent our a TSB to clarify. The earlier ones were able to use 502. In 2019 and later the tolerances were changes and the 0W-30 was approved for use. On all 2019-current, it is printed 504.00 only. I can take a picture of the hood sticker if you need me to. Also, the manual states 504.00 only, and if you need to put more than a half a quart of makeup oil out of grade/cert, to change the oilman soon as possible(paraphrasing there). Also, the Mobil oil selector only shows 504.00. Also, I called Mobil and spoke to their Tier 2 and they confirmed 504.00 0w-30.
If the delearship is saying they are using Castrol in 0w-30, make sure it's the Castrol professional LL-IV in 504.00 and not the regular Castrol Edge.
What year is your Atlas? What does Mobil1 oil selector say?
The fact that your service manager said one thing but when you min out the vin# the grade is correct tells you there was a mid-year change and there is something really specific about this whole deal. I will VW would publish a release or TSB. I will also say they will start stocking the Mobil 1 VW branded once they exhaust current supply. I posted the correct part number the Atlas requires and took pictures of the bottles in another thread.
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
It's no secret that higher saps generally has higher carbon deposits. I'm not going to say you're going to have issues in 30k, but it's pretty much assured you will have more carbon buildup, soot on the exhaust, etc.
My evidence is anecdotal but I drove two cars that used 502 oils for combined eleven years. They always had soot on the exhaust tips, and the second car I kept long enough to have to pull the intake once and do a carbon cleaning. I now have had a car that uses 504 oil for two years, the exhaust tips are far cleaner. At this point with low sulfur fuel pretty much everywhere other than saving a few bucks every OCI, there is just about no reason to use 502 oil.
Thanks Jim. Please scream this from the rooftops to kschahn!!! The 2018 had different clearances and slightly different emissions. 502.00 is not recommended for the 2019s at all! I read they even changed the emissions systems for ‘19/‘20s. As for me, I rather not have to clean/remove carbon from my engine so I'm going to stay with the 0w-30 504.00. And what your saying is not anedotal, my oils is still golden brown after 7.5k on 87pump.
I don't have a local VW dealership, I live in the sticks, but I called the closest one to me today. I spoke to the service manager who said they would fill my 19' Atlas with 5W-30, I then spoke to the parts guy, who I gave my VIN # to and he said that they would only fill it with Castrol Edge 0W-30. No where under my hood or in my book which is a 19' does it say to use VW 504. The dealership told me to use VW 502. Where did you get the information that 19's shouldn't use 502?
Understandable. There's so much confusion on this b/c VW hasn't sent our a TSB to clarify. The earlier ones were able to use 502. In 2019 and later the tolerances were changes and the 0W-30 was approved for use. On all 2019-current, it is printed 504.00 only. I can take a picture of the hood sticker if you need me to. Also, the manual states 504.00 only, and if you need to put more than a half a quart of makeup oil out of grade/cert, to change the oilman soon as possible(paraphrasing there). Also, the Mobil oil selector only shows 504.00. Also, I called Mobil and spoke to their Tier 2 and they confirmed 504.00 0w-30.
If the delearship is saying they are using Castrol in 0w-30, make sure it's the Castrol professional LL-IV in 504.00 and not the regular Castrol Edge.
What year is your Atlas? What does Mobil1 oil selector say?
The fact that your service manager said one thing but when you min out the vin# the grade is correct tells you there was a mid-year change and there is something really specific about this whole deal. I will VW would publish a release or TSB. I will also say they will start stocking the Mobil 1 VW branded once they exhaust current supply. I posted the correct part number the Atlas requires and took pictures of the bottles in another thread.
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Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Understandable. There's so much confusion on this b/c VW hasn't sent our a TSB to clarify. The earlier ones were able to use 502. In 2019 and later the tolerances were changes and the 0W-30 was approved for use.
Tolerances or clearances? I have a REALLY hard time every time this is trotted out as an excuse, as temperature has a FAR greater impact on viscosity than the difference between grades on the bottle. With most Euro spec's, which are based on ACEA protocols, they mandate a minimum HTHS like 3.0 or 3.5, which then qualifies them for a variety of grades.
Understandable. There's so much confusion on this b/c VW hasn't sent our a TSB to clarify. The earlier ones were able to use 502. In 2019 and later the tolerances were changes and the 0W-30 was approved for use.
Tolerances or clearances? I have a REALLY hard time every time this is trotted out as an excuse, as temperature has a FAR greater impact on viscosity than the difference between grades on the bottle. With most Euro spec's, which are based on ACEA protocols, they mandate a minimum HTHS like 3.0 or 3.5, which then qualifies them for a variety of grades.
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Actually, you called the original poster a troll. Partly why you got that response from me. When people post a question, offer answers they bring value. Even someone posting a question has something to offer to the conversation even if it causes others to research a topic to answer a question. Grade is actually not irrelevant. Dependent on which year you have, the clearances were adjusted.
All right I apologize for that to the OP. It was unwarranted.
So the HTHS requirement of the VW approval is secondary to the grade designation? How does VW control that given the range within a grade? For example, VW 502 00 lists 0W-30, 0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40,10W-30, and 10W-40 as acceptable grades but gives a minimum HTHS of 3.5.
Also if the clearances were adjusted how were they adjusted? Tighter? Wouldn't that make it less necessary for the oil to be of a certain grade and/or HTHS? Or are you saying the oil would be too thick to fit in the bearing clearances?
It's all good man. Often stuff is misunderstood in text.
Good questions, I don't have all the answers, but part of the 504.00 certification is that it retain grade with Minimum HTHS specified over 18k. In addition, there is an lubrizoil Chart that has the comparison between 502 vs. 504.00. And it's posed here on BITOG. It's possible the other ow-40 or others cannot maintain this over the specified OCI. Just speculation. Maybe those other grades you mentioned weren't tested b/c they'd be obsolete or weren't tested.
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Actually, you called the original poster a troll. Partly why you got that response from me. When people post a question, offer answers they bring value. Even someone posting a question has something to offer to the conversation even if it causes others to research a topic to answer a question. Grade is actually not irrelevant. Dependent on which year you have, the clearances were adjusted.
All right I apologize for that to the OP. It was unwarranted.
So the HTHS requirement of the VW approval is secondary to the grade designation? How does VW control that given the range within a grade? For example, VW 502 00 lists 0W-30, 0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40,10W-30, and 10W-40 as acceptable grades but gives a minimum HTHS of 3.5.
Also if the clearances were adjusted how were they adjusted? Tighter? Wouldn't that make it less necessary for the oil to be of a certain grade and/or HTHS? Or are you saying the oil would be too thick to fit in the bearing clearances?
It's all good man. Often stuff is misunderstood in text.
Good questions, I don't have all the answers, but part of the 504.00 certification is that it retain grade with Minimum HTHS specified over 18k. In addition, there is an lubrizoil Chart that has the comparison between 502 vs. 504.00. And it's posed here on BITOG. It's possible the other ow-40 or others cannot maintain this over the specified OCI. Just speculation. Maybe those other grades you mentioned weren't tested b/c they'd be obsolete or weren't tested.
Originally Posted by kschachn
He was asking about emissions system protection and low-SAPS oils, not valvetrain deposits.
Sort of.
You said oil didn't have much or anything to do with tailpipe soot. I then asked if that was the case, why are low SAPS oils required for vehicles with modern emissions equipment (such as DPF/OPF/GPF etc). Seems to make sense to me that if that is the case, oil absolutely has something to do with it.
He was asking about emissions system protection and low-SAPS oils, not valvetrain deposits.
Sort of.
You said oil didn't have much or anything to do with tailpipe soot. I then asked if that was the case, why are low SAPS oils required for vehicles with modern emissions equipment (such as DPF/OPF/GPF etc). Seems to make sense to me that if that is the case, oil absolutely has something to do with it.
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Actually, you called the original poster a troll. Partly why you got that response from me. When people post a question, offer answers they bring value. Even someone posting a question has something to offer to the conversation even if it causes others to research a topic to answer a question. Grade is actually not irrelevant. Dependent on which year you have, the clearances were adjusted.
All right I apologize for that to the OP. It was unwarranted.
So the HTHS requirement of the VW approval is secondary to the grade designation? How does VW control that given the range within a grade? For example, VW 502 00 lists 0W-30, 0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40,10W-30, and 10W-40 as acceptable grades but gives a minimum HTHS of 3.5.
Also if the clearances were adjusted how were they adjusted? Tighter? Wouldn't that make it less necessary for the oil to be of a certain grade and/or HTHS? Or are you saying the oil would be too thick to fit in the bearing clearances?
There isn't a hierarchy of requirements in the specifications, no one requirement is more important than other requirements. It has to meet all of the requirements in the specification for VW to approve the certification (and the bribe)...
For example, VW 502 00 lists 0W-30, 0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40,10W-30, and 10W-40 as acceptable grades AND gives a minimum HTHS of 3.5, among other requirements for the specification. So let's say a 5w30 has a HTHS of 3.0, it's not going to get the VW502.00 approval.
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Actually, you called the original poster a troll. Partly why you got that response from me. When people post a question, offer answers they bring value. Even someone posting a question has something to offer to the conversation even if it causes others to research a topic to answer a question. Grade is actually not irrelevant. Dependent on which year you have, the clearances were adjusted.
All right I apologize for that to the OP. It was unwarranted.
So the HTHS requirement of the VW approval is secondary to the grade designation? How does VW control that given the range within a grade? For example, VW 502 00 lists 0W-30, 0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40,10W-30, and 10W-40 as acceptable grades but gives a minimum HTHS of 3.5.
Also if the clearances were adjusted how were they adjusted? Tighter? Wouldn't that make it less necessary for the oil to be of a certain grade and/or HTHS? Or are you saying the oil would be too thick to fit in the bearing clearances?
There isn't a hierarchy of requirements in the specifications, no one requirement is more important than other requirements. It has to meet all of the requirements in the specification for VW to approve the certification (and the bribe)...
For example, VW 502 00 lists 0W-30, 0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40,10W-30, and 10W-40 as acceptable grades AND gives a minimum HTHS of 3.5, among other requirements for the specification. So let's say a 5w30 has a HTHS of 3.0, it's not going to get the VW502.00 approval.
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I think the question that should as asked is, what does 502 offer that 504 doesn't?
The answer is absolutely nothing other than it's easier to find, and slightly cheaper.
The answer is absolutely nothing other than it's easier to find, and slightly cheaper.
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
I think the question that should as asked is, what does 502 offer that 504 doesn't?
The answer is absolutely nothing other than it's easier to find, and slightly cheaper.
Here you go @Jimmy. Good question. Hopefully this adds something to the discussion.
https://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/vw_motor_oil_specifications_explained.php
I think the question that should as asked is, what does 502 offer that 504 doesn't?
The answer is absolutely nothing other than it's easier to find, and slightly cheaper.
Here you go @Jimmy. Good question. Hopefully this adds something to the discussion.
https://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/vw_motor_oil_specifications_explained.php
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Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by jfrankh
I didn't intend to troll anyone? I'm sincerely looking for advice.
No worries.
Go to local Wal Mart and get Castrol 0W40 or Mobil1 0W40 FS.
What you should pay attention is VW502.00 approval. That could be anything 0W30, 5W30, 0W40 or 5W40, and in very rare cases 10W40.
VW created confusion with 0W30 designation which looks like copy/paste from manual from B7 and B8 Audi S4.
You can most definiately get Castrol Edge 0W30 (which was original fill in Audi S4) on Amazon (I actually use it in my Tiguan) but regular price is around $60 for 6qt (I got it on sale).
My preference? I would go Castrol Edge 0W40 from Wal mart.
Filter? VW, MANN, Mahle or Hengst. If you stumble upon WIX you can get that too as it is rebadged MANN filter.
Lucas is not approved for VW. Stay away from oils like that or any additives. Again, Castrol Edge 0W40 is approved oil, it has really good performance parameters.
In case you want to venture to other oils anything with VW 502.00 will do the trick. However, try always to look for oil that in addition to VW 502.00 has also MB 229.5 approval as that is pretty much gold standard for Euro gassers.
This is not correct. OP, I have an Atlas the same vehicle as you. There was a misprint in the earlier manuals. The correct grade is 0W-30 with the 504.00 certification. Pennzoil Platnium Euro LX 0W-30 can be found easily ONLINE at Advance Auto for $9/QT and Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30 ONLINE at Walmart for about the same price. If you have any doubts, VW now carries the correct specification in the Mobil variety at the dealership (becoming Widely available). You can also find the VW specifications at Porsche and Audi dealerships in the Mobil 1 variety. If you cannot find the 0W-30, you can use the 5W-30. Mobil 1 FS Euro will just clog your valvetrain with carbon buildup and trigger your check engine light in less than 30k miles.
No it is not.
VW is confusing customers with oil recommendations since 1997.
VW 504.00/507.00 oils are 0W30 OR 5W30. Those two grades. However, in THAT engine, anything VW502.00, 505.01, 504.00 can be used.
Initial batch of Atlas had still VW502.00 until ULSG was readily available on the US market. However, 3.6FSI engine is not known as CBU monster or fuel dilution monster as older 4.2FSI V8 were. So, pretty much anything can cut in that engine.
As for CBU and clogging valves, sorry but that is ABSOLUTELY not true in 3.6 FSI engine.
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by jfrankh
I didn't intend to troll anyone? I'm sincerely looking for advice.
No worries.
Go to local Wal Mart and get Castrol 0W40 or Mobil1 0W40 FS.
What you should pay attention is VW502.00 approval. That could be anything 0W30, 5W30, 0W40 or 5W40, and in very rare cases 10W40.
VW created confusion with 0W30 designation which looks like copy/paste from manual from B7 and B8 Audi S4.
You can most definiately get Castrol Edge 0W30 (which was original fill in Audi S4) on Amazon (I actually use it in my Tiguan) but regular price is around $60 for 6qt (I got it on sale).
My preference? I would go Castrol Edge 0W40 from Wal mart.
Filter? VW, MANN, Mahle or Hengst. If you stumble upon WIX you can get that too as it is rebadged MANN filter.
Lucas is not approved for VW. Stay away from oils like that or any additives. Again, Castrol Edge 0W40 is approved oil, it has really good performance parameters.
In case you want to venture to other oils anything with VW 502.00 will do the trick. However, try always to look for oil that in addition to VW 502.00 has also MB 229.5 approval as that is pretty much gold standard for Euro gassers.
This is not correct. OP, I have an Atlas the same vehicle as you. There was a misprint in the earlier manuals. The correct grade is 0W-30 with the 504.00 certification. Pennzoil Platnium Euro LX 0W-30 can be found easily ONLINE at Advance Auto for $9/QT and Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30 ONLINE at Walmart for about the same price. If you have any doubts, VW now carries the correct specification in the Mobil variety at the dealership (becoming Widely available). You can also find the VW specifications at Porsche and Audi dealerships in the Mobil 1 variety. If you cannot find the 0W-30, you can use the 5W-30. Mobil 1 FS Euro will just clog your valvetrain with carbon buildup and trigger your check engine light in less than 30k miles.
No it is not.
VW is confusing customers with oil recommendations since 1997.
VW 504.00/507.00 oils are 0W30 OR 5W30. Those two grades. However, in THAT engine, anything VW502.00, 505.01, 504.00 can be used.
Initial batch of Atlas had still VW502.00 until ULSG was readily available on the US market. However, 3.6FSI engine is not known as CBU monster or fuel dilution monster as older 4.2FSI V8 were. So, pretty much anything can cut in that engine.
As for CBU and clogging valves, sorry but that is ABSOLUTELY not true in 3.6 FSI engine.
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Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Originally Posted by jfrankh
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
It's no secret that higher saps generally has higher carbon deposits. I'm not going to say you're going to have issues in 30k, but it's pretty much assured you will have more carbon buildup, soot on the exhaust, etc.
My evidence is anecdotal but I drove two cars that used 502 oils for combined eleven years. They always had soot on the exhaust tips, and the second car I kept long enough to have to pull the intake once and do a carbon cleaning. I now have had a car that uses 504 oil for two years, the exhaust tips are far cleaner. At this point with low sulfur fuel pretty much everywhere other than saving a few bucks every OCI, there is just about no reason to use 502 oil.
Thanks Jim. Please scream this from the rooftops to kschahn!!! The 2018 had different clearances and slightly different emissions. 502.00 is not recommended for the 2019s at all! I read they even changed the emissions systems for ‘19/‘20s. As for me, I rather not have to clean/remove carbon from my engine so I'm going to stay with the 0w-30 504.00. And what your saying is not anedotal, my oils is still golden brown after 7.5k on 87pump.
I don't have a local VW dealership, I live in the sticks, but I called the closest one to me today. I spoke to the service manager who said they would fill my 19' Atlas with 5W-30, I then spoke to the parts guy, who I gave my VIN # to and he said that they would only fill it with Castrol Edge 0W-30. No where under my hood or in my book which is a 19' does it say to use VW 504. The dealership told me to use VW 502. Where did you get the information that 19's shouldn't use 502?
Understandable. There's so much confusion on this b/c VW hasn't sent our a TSB to clarify. The earlier ones were able to use 502. In 2019 and later the tolerances were changes and the 0W-30 was approved for use. On all 2019-current, it is printed 504.00 only. I can take a picture of the hood sticker if you need me to. Also, the manual states 504.00 only, and if you need to put more than a half a quart of makeup oil out of grade/cert, to change the oilman soon as possible(paraphrasing there). Also, the Mobil oil selector only shows 504.00. Also, I called Mobil and spoke to their Tier 2 and they confirmed 504.00 0w-30.
If the delearship is saying they are using Castrol in 0w-30, make sure it's the Castrol professional LL-IV in 504.00 and not the regular Castrol Edge.
What year is your Atlas? What does Mobil1 oil selector say?
The fact that your service manager said one thing but when you min out the vin# the grade is correct tells you there was a mid-year change and there is something really specific about this whole deal. I will VW would publish a release or TSB. I will also say they will start stocking the Mobil 1 VW branded once they exhaust current supply. I posted the correct part number the Atlas requires and took pictures of the bottles in another thread.
WHAT? Can you please elaborate on this gem?
Originally Posted by jfrankh
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
It's no secret that higher saps generally has higher carbon deposits. I'm not going to say you're going to have issues in 30k, but it's pretty much assured you will have more carbon buildup, soot on the exhaust, etc.
My evidence is anecdotal but I drove two cars that used 502 oils for combined eleven years. They always had soot on the exhaust tips, and the second car I kept long enough to have to pull the intake once and do a carbon cleaning. I now have had a car that uses 504 oil for two years, the exhaust tips are far cleaner. At this point with low sulfur fuel pretty much everywhere other than saving a few bucks every OCI, there is just about no reason to use 502 oil.
Thanks Jim. Please scream this from the rooftops to kschahn!!! The 2018 had different clearances and slightly different emissions. 502.00 is not recommended for the 2019s at all! I read they even changed the emissions systems for ‘19/‘20s. As for me, I rather not have to clean/remove carbon from my engine so I'm going to stay with the 0w-30 504.00. And what your saying is not anedotal, my oils is still golden brown after 7.5k on 87pump.
I don't have a local VW dealership, I live in the sticks, but I called the closest one to me today. I spoke to the service manager who said they would fill my 19' Atlas with 5W-30, I then spoke to the parts guy, who I gave my VIN # to and he said that they would only fill it with Castrol Edge 0W-30. No where under my hood or in my book which is a 19' does it say to use VW 504. The dealership told me to use VW 502. Where did you get the information that 19's shouldn't use 502?
Understandable. There's so much confusion on this b/c VW hasn't sent our a TSB to clarify. The earlier ones were able to use 502. In 2019 and later the tolerances were changes and the 0W-30 was approved for use. On all 2019-current, it is printed 504.00 only. I can take a picture of the hood sticker if you need me to. Also, the manual states 504.00 only, and if you need to put more than a half a quart of makeup oil out of grade/cert, to change the oilman soon as possible(paraphrasing there). Also, the Mobil oil selector only shows 504.00. Also, I called Mobil and spoke to their Tier 2 and they confirmed 504.00 0w-30.
If the delearship is saying they are using Castrol in 0w-30, make sure it's the Castrol professional LL-IV in 504.00 and not the regular Castrol Edge.
What year is your Atlas? What does Mobil1 oil selector say?
The fact that your service manager said one thing but when you min out the vin# the grade is correct tells you there was a mid-year change and there is something really specific about this whole deal. I will VW would publish a release or TSB. I will also say they will start stocking the Mobil 1 VW branded once they exhaust current supply. I posted the correct part number the Atlas requires and took pictures of the bottles in another thread.
WHAT? Can you please elaborate on this gem?
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Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
I think the question that should as asked is, what does 502 offer that 504 doesn't?
The answer is absolutely nothing other than it's easier to find, and slightly cheaper.
Here you go @Jimmy. Good question. Hopefully this adds something to the discussion.
https://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/vw_motor_oil_specifications_explained.php
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
I think the question that should as asked is, what does 502 offer that 504 doesn't?
The answer is absolutely nothing other than it's easier to find, and slightly cheaper.
Here you go @Jimmy. Good question. Hopefully this adds something to the discussion.
https://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/vw_motor_oil_specifications_explained.php
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Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
I think the question that should as asked is, what does 502 offer that 504 doesn't?
The answer is absolutely nothing other than it's easier to find, and slightly cheaper.
Here you go @Jimmy. Good question. Hopefully this adds something to the discussion.
https://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/vw_motor_oil_specifications_explained.php
VW oil specifications are discussed here numerous times. 3.6 FSI can use anything VW approved except 500.00, 506.01 and maybe even with that it would be fine.
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
I think the question that should as asked is, what does 502 offer that 504 doesn't?
The answer is absolutely nothing other than it's easier to find, and slightly cheaper.
Here you go @Jimmy. Good question. Hopefully this adds something to the discussion.
https://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/vw_motor_oil_specifications_explained.php
VW oil specifications are discussed here numerous times. 3.6 FSI can use anything VW approved except 500.00, 506.01 and maybe even with that it would be fine.
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
I think the question that should as asked is, what does 502 offer that 504 doesn't?
The answer is absolutely nothing other than it's easier to find, and slightly cheaper.
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I think the question that should as asked is, what does 502 offer that 504 doesn't?
The answer is absolutely nothing other than it's easier to find, and slightly cheaper.
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Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
I think the question that should as asked is, what does 502 offer that 504 doesn't?
The answer is absolutely nothing other than it's easier to find, and slightly cheaper.
I think VW502.00 is irrelevant here. What is relevant is slew of other approvals that come with that one. VW502.00 is not really stringent approval. Also, just because it is VW504.00/507.00 does not mean is it remarkable oil. Any specification is MINIMUM of set up requirements, not maximum.
The question is why using fairly more expensive oil in an engine that is developed around VW502.00 specification? I personally used Mobil1 ESP Formula 5W30 in my X5, bcs. it needed BMW LL04, and that oil was best you could get in that category. However, in Atlas? Anything MB 229.5 from Wal mart will do.
I think the question that should as asked is, what does 502 offer that 504 doesn't?
The answer is absolutely nothing other than it's easier to find, and slightly cheaper.
I think VW502.00 is irrelevant here. What is relevant is slew of other approvals that come with that one. VW502.00 is not really stringent approval. Also, just because it is VW504.00/507.00 does not mean is it remarkable oil. Any specification is MINIMUM of set up requirements, not maximum.
The question is why using fairly more expensive oil in an engine that is developed around VW502.00 specification? I personally used Mobil1 ESP Formula 5W30 in my X5, bcs. it needed BMW LL04, and that oil was best you could get in that category. However, in Atlas? Anything MB 229.5 from Wal mart will do.
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Originally Posted by TiGeo
The VR6 from 18 to 19 is exactly the same - the oil approval/weight difference is 100% related to emissions/mpgs.
VW 504.00/507.00 is NOT energy conserving oil. HTHS is still minimum 3.5cp.
Now, some oils have ACEA C2 specification and that might help a bit with mpg.
The VR6 from 18 to 19 is exactly the same - the oil approval/weight difference is 100% related to emissions/mpgs.
VW 504.00/507.00 is NOT energy conserving oil. HTHS is still minimum 3.5cp.
Now, some oils have ACEA C2 specification and that might help a bit with mpg.
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