VW Atlas Oil Change

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Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by jfrankh
I didn't intend to troll anyone? I'm sincerely looking for advice.

No worries.
Go to local Wal Mart and get Castrol 0W40 or Mobil1 0W40 FS.
What you should pay attention is VW502.00 approval. That could be anything 0W30, 5W30, 0W40 or 5W40, and in very rare cases 10W40.
VW created confusion with 0W30 designation which looks like copy/paste from manual from B7 and B8 Audi S4.
You can most definiately get Castrol Edge 0W30 (which was original fill in Audi S4) on Amazon (I actually use it in my Tiguan) but regular price is around $60 for 6qt (I got it on sale).
My preference? I would go Castrol Edge 0W40 from Wal mart.
Filter? VW, MANN, Mahle or Hengst. If you stumble upon WIX you can get that too as it is rebadged MANN filter.
Lucas is not approved for VW. Stay away from oils like that or any additives. Again, Castrol Edge 0W40 is approved oil, it has really good performance parameters.
In case you want to venture to other oils anything with VW 502.00 will do the trick. However, try always to look for oil that in addition to VW 502.00 has also MB 229.5 approval as that is pretty much gold standard for Euro gassers.


This is not correct. OP, I have an Atlas the same vehicle as you. There was a misprint in the earlier manuals. The correct grade is 0W-30 with the 504.00 certification. Pennzoil Platnium Euro LX 0W-30 can be found easily ONLINE at Advance Auto for $9/QT and Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30 ONLINE at Walmart for about the same price. If you have any doubts, VW now carries the correct specification in the Mobil variety at the dealership (becoming Widely available). You can also find the VW specifications at Porsche and Audi dealerships in the Mobil 1 variety. If you cannot find the 0W-30, you can use the 5W-30. Mobil 1 FS Euro will just clog your valvetrain with carbon buildup and trigger your check engine light in less than 30k miles.

If both of those oils carry the same 504 approval there should be no issue with either.
 
That's why I offered those two suggestions (Pennzoil/MOBIL) as they are the two easily available that are VW certified. Again, the OP can now get the correct oil in 504.00/507.00 directly from VW/Audi/Porsche dealerships.
 
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
That's why I offered those two suggestions (Pennzoil/MOBIL) as they are the two easily available that are VW certified. Again, the OP can now get the correct oil in 504.00/507.00 directly from VW/Audi/Porsche dealerships.


I want to know about the M1 FS Euro you said would clog your valve train and damage your car...which oil is that?
 
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by PimTac
Find out what the dealer uses in their shop. 100 to 1 it's not Lucas.
Indeed, a VW dealer better not be using an oil that has no VW approval.
They do all the time. They will often put the wrong grade in as well. Both local VW dealerships nearby me have been using NON-VW certified Pennzoil 0w-20 for ALL maintenance package and Bulk oil change specials. One was a AutoNation delearship. They do this for engines calling for 0/5-40 and 30. The only care about the $$$. Must've caught attention because they are now beginning to stock the new 504/507/508.

The grade is irrelevant as long as it has the correct approval. The only part of the grade you might quibble over is the winter rating and then only if you live in a very cold climate.

And if your VW dealer uses oil that does not carry an actual VW approval then you should find a different dealer.
 
Originally Posted by TiGeo
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
That's why I offered those two suggestions (Pennzoil/MOBIL) as they are the two easily available that are VW certified. Again, the OP can now get the correct oil in 504.00/507.00 directly from VW/Audi/Porsche dealerships.


I want to know about the M1 FS Euro you said would clog your valve train and damage your car...which oil is that?


Simple. The FS leaves too much carbon. High SAPS. Do your own searches on many of these valvetrain and emissions systems. Specifically the one the OP has (as do I) It has almost 2x the amount of Sulphated Ash alone as an example.
 
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by PimTac
Find out what the dealer uses in their shop. 100 to 1 it's not Lucas.
Indeed, a VW dealer better not be using an oil that has no VW approval.
They do all the time. They will often put the wrong grade in as well. Both local VW dealerships nearby me have been using NON-VW certified Pennzoil 0w-20 for ALL maintenance package and Bulk oil change specials. One was a AutoNation delearship. They do this for engines calling for 0/5-40 and 30. The only care about the $$$. Must've caught attention because they are now beginning to stock the new 504/507/508.

The grade is irrelevant as long as it has the correct approval. The only part of the grade you might quibble over is the winter rating and then only if you live in a very cold climate.

And if your VW dealer uses oil that does not carry an actual VW approval then you should find a different dealer.


I swear there is something about the way you comprehend. Look back at my post. I said many VW delearships do not carry the correct grade AND use NON-VW certified oil in their service fills or even in their parts department. So that statement alludes to not having the correct approval or certification. What is so hard about that?

Buddy, you don't own a VW Branded vehicle...why are you making general comments about going to another VW dealerships? If your going to Aurgue, at least be educated. You don't understand the issue. I live in the Atl. Arguably the 4 largest US Metro area. There are 5 metro VW delearships. As of February, NON of them have the 504/507/508 VW approved oils. So there is no going to another dealership.

Nationwide, VW is transitioning away from Castrol and restocking with VW labeled (Mobil ESP) oil at VW and Audi delearships once bulk fill is exhausted and Mobil ESP Labeled at Porsche dealerships (0w-20, 5w-30, 0W-40). Thus has made it hard for VW Group owners. That's why I chimed because I too had the issue of getting the right oil for my VW. They wanted to put 0W-20 Non approved Pennzoil in my VR6 Atlas!! I went online to Advanced Auto Parts and the Audi/Porsche dealership to fine the correct spec.
 
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
I swear there is something about the way you comprehend. Look back at my post. I said many VW delearships do not carry the correct grade AND use NON-VW certified oil in their service fills or even in their parts department. So that statement alludes to not having the correct approval or certification. What is so hard about that?

Buddy, you don't own a VW Branded vehicle...why are you making general comments about going to another VW dealerships? If your going to Aurgue, at least be educated. You don't understand the issue. I live in the Atl. Arguably the 4 largest US Metro area. There are 5 metro VW delearships. As of February, NON of them have the 504/507/508 VW approved oils. So there is no going to another dealership.

Nationwide, VW is transitioning away from Castrol and restocking with VW labeled (Mobil ESP) oil at VW and Audi delearships once bulk fill is exhausted and Mobil ESP Labeled at Porsche dealerships (0w-20, 5w-30, 0W-40). Thus has made it hard for VW Group owners. That's why I chimed because I too had the issue of getting the right oil for my VW. They wanted to put 0W-20 Non approved Pennzoil in my VR6 Atlas!! I went online to Advanced Auto Parts and the Audi/Porsche dealership to fine the correct spec.


Do you swear a lot? And I'm not your "buddy", such anger and snarky responses. I wasn't the only one who pointed that out, make sure you post a similar angry response to them.

That's too bad the dealers around you are incompetent. I wasn't "arguing" about anything, I only noted that grade is irrelevant since you brought it up in your post. Nothing hard about that at all.
 
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06


I swear there is something about the way you comprehend. Look back at my post. I said many VW delearships do not carry the correct grade AND use NON-VW certified oil in their service fills or even in their parts department. So that statement alludes to not having the correct approval or certification. What is so hard about that?

Buddy, you don't own a VW Branded vehicle...why are you making general comments about going to another VW dealerships? If your going to Aurgue, at least be educated. You don't understand the issue. I live in the Atl. Arguably the 4 largest US Metro area. There are 5 metro VW delearships. As of February, NON of them have the 504/507/508 VW approved oils. So there is no going to another dealership.

Nationwide, VW is transitioning away from Castrol and restocking with VW labeled (Mobil ESP) oil at VW and Audi delearships once bulk fill is exhausted and Mobil ESP Labeled at Porsche dealerships (0w-20, 5w-30, 0W-40). Thus has made it hard for VW Group owners. That's why I chimed because I too had the issue of getting the right oil for my VW. They wanted to put 0W-20 Non approved Pennzoil in my VR6 Atlas!! I went online to Advanced Auto Parts and the Audi/Porsche dealership to fine the correct spec.


Sounds like you need to rat out the dealerships to VW Group NA, as one of the previous incidents cost VW and Audi bigly. It was the longitudinal 1.8T sludge fiasco, where oil requirements in the owner's manual were very lenient, so dealerships maximized their profits by using Castrol GTX 5w30 instead of Syntec 5w40. So if you did have a sludged longitudinal 1.8T, as long as there was receipts, proving that you done maintenance, VW & Audi covered you.

In the event that you had a issue due to oil, VW should not deny you because the dealership tried to maximize their profits.
 
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Originally Posted by TiGeo
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
That's why I offered those two suggestions (Pennzoil/MOBIL) as they are the two easily available that are VW certified. Again, the OP can now get the correct oil in 504.00/507.00 directly from VW/Audi/Porsche dealerships.


I want to know about the M1 FS Euro you said would clog your valve train and damage your car...which oil is that?


Simple. The FS leaves too much carbon. High SAPS. Do your own searches on many of these valvetrain and emissions systems. Specifically the one the OP has (as do I) It has almost 2x the amount of Sulphated Ash alone as an example.


Ok sorry, I just want to be clear - the "M1 FS Euro" you mean the 0W40 (or 5W40?) VW502 00 oil? Now it makes sense, I thought you were referring to 2 different oils with the same VW504 approval which was why I ask the question. If the vehicle says you can run either 502 or 504, I have a hard time believe that using 502 is going to cause issues in 30K miles or be an issue at all. Plenty of VWs running around using 502 for years with no drama.
 
The VR6 doesn't have high incidences of the misfiring from Intake Valve buildup like the 2.0T.

AND, it doesn't have a fancy catalytic converter that requires a low SAPS oil (ie a Gasoline Particulate Filter, in Europe).
 
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Originally Posted by TiGeo
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
That's why I offered those two suggestions (Pennzoil/MOBIL) as they are the two easily available that are VW certified. Again, the OP can now get the correct oil in 504.00/507.00 directly from VW/Audi/Porsche dealerships.


I want to know about the M1 FS Euro you said would clog your valve train and damage your car...which oil is that?


Simple. The FS leaves too much carbon. High SAPS. Do your own searches on many of these valvetrain and emissions systems. Specifically the one the OP has (as do I) It has almost 2x the amount of Sulphated Ash alone as an example.


TiGeo, "M1 FS Euro" being Mobil1 0W-40 as its currently sold in Walmart etc.
 
Originally Posted by wemay
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Originally Posted by TiGeo
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
That's why I offered those two suggestions (Pennzoil/MOBIL) as they are the two easily available that are VW certified. Again, the OP can now get the correct oil in 504.00/507.00 directly from VW/Audi/Porsche dealerships.


I want to know about the M1 FS Euro you said would clog your valve train and damage your car...which oil is that?


Simple. The FS leaves too much carbon. High SAPS. Do your own searches on many of these valvetrain and emissions systems. Specifically the one the OP has (as do I) It has almost 2x the amount of Sulphated Ash alone as an example.


TiGeo, "M1 FS Euro" being Mobil1 0W-40 as its currently sold in Walmart etc.


Not seeing how this fine oil is going to cause issues if you have a vehicle that can use a 502 oil.
 
Originally Posted by TiGeo
Not seeing how this fine oil is going to cause issues if you have a vehicle that can use a 502 oil.

And not just VW cars since that oil carries approvals for a bunch of other manufacturers as well. For them it must also "clog your valvetrain with carbon buildup and trigger your check engine light in less than 30k miles", how do the Mercedes-Benz and Porsche owners cope with this? I've gone a whole lot longer than 30K miles in my old BMW on "502 00" oils, but no check engine light yet. Should I check to see if my valvetrain is clogged with carbon?

Maybe I'm just not comprehending again.
 
It's no secret that higher saps generally has higher carbon deposits. I'm not going to say you're going to have issues in 30k, but it's pretty much assured you will have more carbon buildup, soot on the exhaust, etc.

My evidence is anecdotal but I drove two cars that used 502 oils for combined eleven years. They always had soot on the exhaust tips, and the second car I kept long enough to have to pull the intake once and do a carbon cleaning. I now have had a car that uses 504 oil for two years, the exhaust tips are far cleaner. At this point with low sulfur fuel pretty much everywhere other than saving a few bucks every OCI, there is just about no reason to use 502 oil.
 
The soot on the exhaust pipe comes from the oil? I thought that was from incompletely burned fuel. Otherwise, how much oil are you burning?

I would think the low sulfur fuel would be much more of a contributor to cleanliness than the marginally less ash in a low-SAPS oil. You burn gallons and gallons of fuel for every quart of oil.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...soot-in-tail-pipe-oil-burning#Post151513
 
Originally Posted by kschachn
The soot on the exhaust pipe comes from the oil? I thought that was from incompletely burned fuel. Otherwise, how much oil are you burning?

I would think the low sulfur fuel would be much more of a contributor to cleanliness than the marginally less ash in a low-SAPS oil. You burn gallons and gallons of fuel for every quart of oil.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...soot-in-tail-pipe-oil-burning#Post151513



If that was the case, what's the purpose of requiring low saps oil for emissions system protection?
 
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Originally Posted by kschachn
The soot on the exhaust pipe comes from the oil? I thought that was from incompletely burned fuel. Otherwise, how much oil are you burning?

I would think the low sulfur fuel would be much more of a contributor to cleanliness than the marginally less ash in a low-SAPS oil. You burn gallons and gallons of fuel for every quart of oil.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...soot-in-tail-pipe-oil-burning#Post151513
If that was the case, what's the purpose of requiring low saps oil for emissions system protection?

Are we talking about a vehicle with a DPF? For those vehicles without, it is to reduce the amount of certain metallic elements deposited onto the catalyst substrate, not reduce tailpipe soot. Visible tailpipe soot is carbon from incomplete combustion of the fuel.
 
Originally Posted by UG_Passat
Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06


I swear there is something about the way you comprehend. Look back at my post. I said many VW delearships do not carry the correct grade AND use NON-VW certified oil in their service fills or even in their parts department. So that statement alludes to not having the correct approval or certification. What is so hard about that?

Buddy, you don't own a VW Branded vehicle...why are you making general comments about going to another VW dealerships? If your going to Aurgue, at least be educated. You don't understand the issue. I live in the Atl. Arguably the 4 largest US Metro area. There are 5 metro VW delearships. As of February, NON of them have the 504/507/508 VW approved oils. So there is no going to another dealership.

Nationwide, VW is transitioning away from Castrol and restocking with VW labeled (Mobil ESP) oil at VW and Audi delearships once bulk fill is exhausted and Mobil ESP Labeled at Porsche dealerships (0w-20, 5w-30, 0W-40). Thus has made it hard for VW Group owners. That's why I chimed because I too had the issue of getting the right oil for my VW. They wanted to put 0W-20 Non approved Pennzoil in my VR6 Atlas!! I went online to Advanced Auto Parts and the Audi/Porsche dealership to fine the correct spec.


Sounds like you need to rat out the dealerships to VW Group NA, as one of the previous incidents cost VW and Audi bigly. It was the longitudinal 1.8T sludge fiasco, where oil requirements in the owner's manual were very lenient, so dealerships maximized their profits by using Castrol GTX 5w30 instead of Syntec 5w40. So if you did have a sludged longitudinal 1.8T, as long as there was receipts, proving that you done maintenance, VW & Audi covered you.

In the event that you had a issue due to oil, VW should not deny you because the dealership tried to maximize their profits.


Good points. I agree
 
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
It's no secret that higher saps generally has higher carbon deposits. I'm not going to say you're going to have issues in 30k, but it's pretty much assured you will have more carbon buildup, soot on the exhaust, etc.

My evidence is anecdotal but I drove two cars that used 502 oils for combined eleven years. They always had soot on the exhaust tips, and the second car I kept long enough to have to pull the intake once and do a carbon cleaning. I now have had a car that uses 504 oil for two years, the exhaust tips are far cleaner. At this point with low sulfur fuel pretty much everywhere other than saving a few bucks every OCI, there is just about no reason to use 502 oil.


Thanks Jim. Please scream this from the rooftops to kschahn!!! The 2018 had different clearances and slightly different emissions. 502.00 is not recommended for the 2019s at all! I read they even changed the emissions systems for ‘19/‘20s. As for me, I rather not have to clean/remove carbon from my engine so I'm going to stay with the 0w-30 504.00. And what your saying is not anedotal, my oils is still golden brown after 7.5k on 87pump.
 
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Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Originally Posted by kschachn
The soot on the exhaust pipe comes from the oil? I thought that was from incompletely burned fuel. Otherwise, how much oil are you burning?

I would think the low sulfur fuel would be much more of a contributor to cleanliness than the marginally less ash in a low-SAPS oil. You burn gallons and gallons of fuel for every quart of oil.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...soot-in-tail-pipe-oil-burning#Post151513
If that was the case, what's the purpose of requiring low saps oil for emissions system protection?

Are we talking about a vehicle with a DPF? For those vehicles without, it is to reduce the amount of certain metallic elements deposited onto the catalyst substrate, not reduce tailpipe soot. Visible tailpipe soot is carbon from incomplete combustion of the fuel.


LOW Saps oils have a very strong correlation to carbon in the valvetrain. That's the deposits most people here are referring to. Tailpipe deposits are a by produce and less of a concern.
 
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