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Only MACT can do that …that guy is either dumb or incredibly stubborn. He's been told you can't determine oil level performance based on ppm additive levels, yet he continues to do just that.
Valvoline Restore & Protect 5w-30 (Gonna Take a Chance)
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I originally posted the patent and my thoughts in this post...Bottom line this is something different.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...-protect-5w-30-virgin-uoa.378226/post-6758896
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...-protect-5w-30-virgin-uoa.378226/post-6758896
It gets morons clickin......
I saw a response from Valvoline on their Facebook page I am trying to find it. They stated the extended protection is it extends the protection further than other oils and isn’t for extended drain intervals
Good God, this thread has 505 replies so far……..
I think back to the phrase credited to P.T. Barnum,
”There’s a sucker born every minute”
I think back to the phrase credited to P.T. Barnum,
”There’s a sucker born every minute”
Lol everyone tryna prove wether or not an untested oil does what it might do. Its entertaining to me atleastGood God, this thread has 505 replies so far……..
I think back to the phrase credited to P.T. Barnum,
”There’s a sucker born every minute”
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Valvoline Restore & Protect is just another "High Mileage" oil going by a different name. That's all it is folks.
The only "magical" thing about it is the marketing.
If you pause and think about it for a second, Valvoline even target the same customer base that would otherwise buy High Mileage oil, but want to milk a few extra dollars from of them.
If you're consistent with your maintenance and oil changes, then you don't need this stuff.
And if you want something that's actually good and proven to work, then there's always Mobil 1 EP High Mileage at your local Walmart, and almost always on sale.
The only "magical" thing about it is the marketing.
If you pause and think about it for a second, Valvoline even target the same customer base that would otherwise buy High Mileage oil, but want to milk a few extra dollars from of them.
If you're consistent with your maintenance and oil changes, then you don't need this stuff.
And if you want something that's actually good and proven to work, then there's always Mobil 1 EP High Mileage at your local Walmart, and almost always on sale.
I looked at my local WM yesterday and Valvoline R&P is not being sold there yet.
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It's available on Amz, however, I doubt anyone's rushing to buy it. If Valvoline put this on the shelves at WM for $29~$32 per jug, then they might stand a chance. At my local WM, people consistently buy:
1) Mobil 1
2) Pennzoil
3) Quaker State
4) Super Tech
5) There's the oddball Castrol buyer.
If anyone buys Valvoline, it's usually one of their less expensive products.
I think I'll be sticking with the Valvoline EP. Almost twice the moly besides.
As I said before, Valvoline as a brand I never cared for. There was a small period of time I thought they made some good oils, but overall they're a mediocre quality product IMO. However, I think some underestimate them a bit and fail to realize that any of these companies can turn out a niche product if they choose to do so.
As far as this R&P oil, jury is still out. It wouldn't surprise me either way. We know they have patents for oils that help clean (Premium Blue Restore), which were largely based on high solvency group V base oils. With R&P, I'm guessing they had to choose a less expensive option to be able to sell it at Walmart.
As far as this R&P oil, jury is still out. It wouldn't surprise me either way. We know they have patents for oils that help clean (Premium Blue Restore), which were largely based on high solvency group V base oils. With R&P, I'm guessing they had to choose a less expensive option to be able to sell it at Walmart.
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It's blended with a Group III base stock and the "6" oxidation number indicates that it has about enough ester in it for seal sweller, just like any other HM oil that's blended with Group III mainly. I doubt Valvoline would fork over money for ANs, as they've never done so historically for their mainstream products.
PBR is a niche product, expensive, and hard to get a hold of. R&P is no PBR, that's for sure. I say it's a new way of marketing a High Mileage oil. They probably came to the realization that calling a motor oil that's got a little more "kick" to it "High Mileage" isn't the best idea. I mean, these folks have a High Mileage oil for vehicles with over 150K miles. What's different about that one?
@Foxtrot08 called it a while back: It's Valvoline marketing at its finest.
I wonder if they use Glycol Ethers as seal swellers, or something else. Again, an FTIR would point out these individual components, including ANs.
True, but if this is some new innovation as they claim (I know it sounds a bit ridiculous), maybe it's accomplished through an additive or chemical rather than high solvency base oil. Just sayin....
Here is a claim, I don't think the corporate lawyers representing Valvoline would let it in their advertising if it wasn't true.
The First and Only Motor Oil that Restores Pistons to Factory Clean.
I am wondering if maybe the high fuel dilution number in that one test represents a chemical used for cleaning or if the cleaning action is allowing cylinder wash around the rings, from the fuel, now that the rings aren't supported outward from the coke deposits in the lands. Would be a drag to have pristine pistons and low compression due to the oil revealing poor sealing in the piston/cylinder interface.
The First and Only Motor Oil that Restores Pistons to Factory Clean.
I am wondering if maybe the high fuel dilution number in that one test represents a chemical used for cleaning or if the cleaning action is allowing cylinder wash around the rings, from the fuel, now that the rings aren't supported outward from the coke deposits in the lands. Would be a drag to have pristine pistons and low compression due to the oil revealing poor sealing in the piston/cylinder interface.
If you're referring to the VOA posted by @jetman, showing fuel, that's not anything to do with any new additives or chemicals in this new product. I've seen this fuel dilution before with other virgin oils.
I'm curious. What specifically makes Valvoline a mediocre quality product? Numerous UOA's show that it does much better than many other oils. I truly want to know your opinion.
Which of course cannot be correct since there is no gasoline in new oil. Someone is misinterpreting the chromatography results or there is an issue with the machine. It better not be sample carry-over as you suggested, that would be a serious error on the part of the lab.
What I mean is their top tier I don't think has ever been on par with Mobil 1 EP/Edge EP/PUP among the shelf brands. They're fine oils, nothing wrong with them, but I never had them in the top performing off the shelf oils.
You can believe that if you want, but at this point there is no basis in fact for that assertion whatsoever. We will have to wait and see.
Valvoline already dominates the high mileage market by the way. Doesn't make much business sense to add another high mileage product, especially since the name "Max Life" has been a huge marketing success. Nevertheless, if it cleans as well as they say it does it could be a great choice for some older or higher mileage vehicles.
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