Valvoline Restore & Protect 5w-30 (Gonna Take a Chance)

[Furious]

You can believe that if you want, but at this point there is no basis in fact for that assertion whatsoever. We will have to wait and see.

Valvoline already dominates the high mileage market by the way. Doesn't make much business sense to add another high mileage product, especially since the name "Max Life" has been a huge marketing success. Nevertheless, if it cleans as well as they say it does it could be a great choice for some older or higher mileage vehicles.

There is another thread where someone already ran this oil and shows 500 mile results, from that thread it is very clear this oil is doing some kind of cleaning. The true test would be for someone to run it on a fairly dirty engine that they can pull the valve cover off of and run this oil for the 4 oil changes and show a before/after.

 

[Foxtrot08]

It's blended with a Group III base stock and the "6" oxidation number indicates that it has about enough ester in it for seal sweller, just like any other HM oil that's blended with Group III mainly. I doubt Valvoline would fork over money for ANs, as they've never done so historically for their mainstream products.

PBR is a niche product, expensive, and hard to get a hold of. R&P is no PBR, that's for sure. I say it's a new way of marketing a High Mileage oil. They probably came to the realization that calling a motor oil that's got a little more "kick" to it "High Mileage" isn't the best idea. I mean, these folks have a High Mileage oil for vehicles with over 150K miles. What's different about that one?

@Foxtrot08 called it a while back: It's Valvoline marketing at its finest.

I wonder if they use Glycol Ethers as seal swellers, or something else. Again, an FTIR would point out these individual components, including ANs.

It’s a wonderful piece of Valvoline marketing.

But I can say with complete confidence it’s a group 3 product with a slightly tweaked additive package. Nothing game changing or anything special. It’s not even released to their distributors as of last week yet. And is meant to be DIY focused.

But it is / will be an over all good product. Much, like anything else in that category.

 

[4WD]

Valvoline Restore & Protect is just another "High Mileage" oil going by a different name just like me …

Yeah … I won’t Knock it until I have tried it …

 

[demarpaint]

Yeah … I won’t Knock it until I have tried it …

Me either. IMO it would be foolish to think that Valvoline or any of the other well known oil companies couldn't make an oil with the ability to clean up a dirty neglected engine. Using a VOA to make that determination is a mistake. Once again I'll say the jury is out, and wait for the pictures, cut open filters, compression readings, etc. to start coming in.

 

[Vitamin Yoda]

Yeah … I won’t Knock it until I have tried it …

I didn't knock it. I just called it a "High Mileage" oil by a different name.

What do you think @Foxtrot08? Does this qualify as a High Mileage oil? Is it in the same class?

True, but if this is some new innovation as they claim (I know it sounds a bit ridiculous), maybe it's accomplished through an additive or chemical rather than high solvency base oil. Just sayin....

Blue Restore is marketed to commercial/business buyers. Those folks don't buy into marketing buzz words as much as they want data to justify their purchase. Restore & Protect is a consumer focused product. Look at how it's marketed versus Blue Restore.

This is Blue Restore PDS:

Blue Restore Patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US20170029734A1/en

From the patent, this is the composition:

Now look at Restore & Protect:

No precise details about the things that matter, just ranges or lower than, and plenty of marketing buzzwords.

 

[350Rocket]

I didn't knock it. I just called it a "High Mileage" oil by a different name.

What do you think @Foxtrot08? Does this qualify as a High Mileage oil? Is it in the same class?


Blue Restore is marketed to commercial/business buyers. Those folks don't buy into marketing buzz words as much as they want data to justify their purchase. Restore & Protect is a consumer focused product. Look at how it's marketed versus Blue Restore.

This is Blue Restore PDS:

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Blue Restore Patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US20170029734A1/en

From the patent, this is the composition:

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Now look at Restore & Protect:

No precise details about the things that matter, just ranges or lower than, and plenty of marketing buzzwords.

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The one that that this thread proves without a doubt, is that you and foxtrot are absolutely sure that this product is nothing special. That's the only thing I really learned here so far. Hopefully we will eventually have enough information to actually prove that true or false.

 

[Vitamin Yoda]

The one that that this thread proves without a doubt, is that you and foxtrot are absolutely sure that this product is nothing special. That's the only thing I really learned here so far. Hopefully we will eventually have enough information to actually prove that true or false.

Actually, this thread proves that most people who participate in it doubt Valvoline's marketing message.

I mean, Valvoline owns an engine lab in Ashland, KY, and it would have been exceedingly easy for them to make a video showing how they put this oil through its paces and how the engines look on the inside, piston cleanliness, etc. You know, just like Mobil does from time to time. Yet, they didn't, so here we are, wondering.

 

[buster]

If the claims were achieved by something that doesn't show up on a VOA, as everyone should know by now can be the case, then I would hold off judging it. It's premature either way to claim it works or doesn't work.

 

[buster]

I mean, Valvoline owns an engine lab in Ashland, KY, and it would have been exceedingly easy for them to make a video showing how they put this oil through its paces and how the engines look on the inside, piston cleanliness, etc. You know, just like Mobil does from time to time. Yet, they didn't, so here we are, wondering.

That would have been a much better approach.

 

[Ronin73]

What I mean is their top tier I don't think has ever been on par with Mobil 1 EP/Edge EP/PUP among the shelf brands. They're fine oils, nothing wrong with them, but I never had them in the top performing off the shelf oils.

Okay, but why do you believe that? That's a pretty weak statement without any legitimate reasoning as to why.

 

[350Rocket]

You may be right but who knows if advertising like this is coming out soon as the product was just released and isn't even available for everyone (including me). Other than transfer case oil I can't remember the last time I bought Valvoline, so I'm not a Valvoline fanboy. I just think you're coming off as a bit of a know it all when you could end up being proven wrong, because you're really just making assumptions.

 

[buster]

Okay, but why do you believe that? That's a pretty weak statement without any legitimate reasoning as to why.

Poor TBN retention, 3rd party data from Shell/Pennzoil (several years ago) showing it can't keep pistons as clean as PUP/M1, only 10x better on IIIH for oxidation resistance compared to 20x for Mobil 1, limited testing data to show long drain capability compared to Mobil's engine tear downs.

There is nothing wrong with Valvoline but I don't consider them a top tier brand.

 

[kschachn]

Actually, this thread proves that most people who participate in it doubt Valvoline's marketing message.

I mean, Valvoline owns an engine lab in Ashland, KY, and it would have been exceedingly easy for them to make a video showing how they put this oil through its paces and how the engines look on the inside, piston cleanliness, etc. You know, just like Mobil does from time to time. Yet, they didn't, so here we are, wondering.

I'm not sure about that. We have what, three or four individuals in this isolated thread on one Internet discussion board that doubt it?

 

[Ronin73]

There is another thread where someone already ran this oil and shows 500 mile results, from that thread it is very clear this oil is doing some kind of cleaning.

Where? On this site? I'd like to see that.

 

[Ronin73]

Poor TBN retention, 3rd party data from Shell/Pennzoil (several years ago) showing it can't keep pistons as clean as PUP/M1, only 10x better on IIIH for oxidation resistance compared to 20x for Mobil 1, limited testing data to show long drain capability compared to Mobil's engine tear downs.

Thank you.

 

[4WD]

This thread in a picture

 

[Furious]

Where? On this site? I'd like to see that.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...iles-of-valvoline-restore-and-protect.377830/

 

[Brian123]

There was a Member on here who used the Valvoline Premium Blue Restore and it did not do what it claims. His oil consumption was not lessened.

Then again, cannot remember what oil he used before and what his OCI's were like.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

I'm curious. What specifically makes Valvoline a mediocre quality product? Numerous UOA's show that it does much better than many other oils. I truly want to know your opinion.

UOAs don't give any true insight into engine wear.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

You can believe that if you want, but at this point there is no basis in fact for that assertion whatsoever. We will have to wait and see.

Valvoline already dominates the high mileage market by the way. Doesn't make much business sense to add another high mileage product, especially since the name "Max Life" has been a huge marketing success. Nevertheless, if it cleans as well as they say it does it could be a great choice for some older or higher mileage vehicles.

Valvoline offers Maxlife in blend, synthetic, synthetic extended performance, and whatever "150,000+" is supposed to be. If anybody could have justified another product with "Maxlife technology", it's Valvoline themselves.